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[DoNotTrololo]

MisterJB wrote...

DoNotTrololo wrote...
Note, this isn't an attack on Miranda. It's an attack on you for thinking that because some arrogant @sshat thought that by giving his daughter large "assets" and his exact DNA, that he was making her perfect, it automatically makes her a supersoldier. Protip: She's not.

Correction, she was also given attributes that would later enhance all of a human's normal skill set. She is more intelligent, stronger, faster, heals faster, will live longer and also has very powerful biotics...for a human. Depending on your criteria, she could be considered a supersoldier.
With that being said, I am not claiming she is the strongest squadmate.

I was just pointing out certain "perfections" done by Miranda's father that point him out as the rich, arrogant & ignorant bastard that he is. Didn't mean to say that was a full list; Genetic tampering is genetic tampering after all, there's bound to be perks when it's done right.


I'll agree with everything else you listed, except on two points. Note that given the biotic bubble's success, she is apparently in the same ballpark as Jacob and Thane's biotics. Also, I wouldn't say that Miranda is more intelligent than your average human; Intelligence is rather hard to engineer, as it has a hell of a lot more to do with experiences than what you were born with. Maybe she was given a higher chance of being an information sponge, I'll concede, but we really don't have anything on which to argue on Miranda's intelligence, either for or against.


Nice to see that you don't automatically assume your favourite character is the toughest kid on the block. While my favourite squaddie has to be Tali, I know she'd be dinner if ever she found a way to ****** off Wrex enough to make him want to eat her. I'd say this for everyone except maybe Samara, as her centuries of experience and constant honing of her biotics are the only thing that could hope to match Wrex's millenium of constant battle, which has hardened his body constantly, and all of the experience and knowledge thousands upon thousands of fights would give him, locked away in behind those blood red eyes...



Huh. Cheez's Wrex-Crush might be rubbing off on me. Ah well, if anyone was gonna turn me bi, might as well be the King himself.

[DoNotTrololo]

SNascimento wrote...

Samara would own Jack with no effort, the latter is just a super powerful thug, the former a super powerful killing machine.
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Wrex would kill both though.
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And Miranda would kill Wrex.

...Riiiight. Well, I see there is no hope here. Though I'll kindly ask you to contain your ridiculousness to you and Luis in the Miranda thread, so as not to reflect negatively on your fanbase. They do not deserve a tarnished reputation from the actions of a few, like... Well, every fanbase.

[Merchant2006]

Hrm, I'd say... well... Wrex or Samara. It'd be a tough battle but they'd be the ones to come out on the top. Wrex as he's a walking several century old tank and Samara due to her centuries of honing her biotic skills and pretty much being the equivalent of a holy asari warrior.

[SNascimento]

DoNotTrololo wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

Samara would own Jack with no effort, the latter is just a super powerful thug, the former a super powerful killing machine.
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Wrex would kill both though.
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And Miranda would kill Wrex.

...Riiiight. Well, I see there is no hope here. Though I'll kindly ask you to contain your ridiculousness to you and Luis in the Miranda thread, so as not to reflect negatively on your fanbase. They do not deserve a tarnished reputation from the actions of a few, like... Well, every fanbase.

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And I'll kindly ask you to stop being so presumptuous... what I'm saying is completely acceptable and I can back up with a lot of facts, if you give me reasons to.
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Anyway, just read the other things I said in this thread before saying anything else. 

[Candidate 88766]

After a little thought, these would be my final answers:

Close range:
-Wrex - the endurance and strength of a centuries-old Krogan combined with biotic abilities

Medium range:
-Samara - incredibly powerful biotic abilities along with centuries of experience in combat

Long range:
-Legion - more accurate than any organic can ever be, wielding a very powerful sniper rifle, and able to hide for prolonged periods of time in hostile conditions and without moving, beyond the range of tech-based counter-attacks


In a one-on-one battle, I'd personally bet on Samara. Her biotic abilites are insanely powerful, and she has had centuries to hone her skills not only in biotics but also in a variety of weapons. She will have tactics for, and experience in, killing members of any species. I imagine even an individual as strong and as powerful as Wrex would struggle to survive against her biotic abilities.


However, if the squadmember had time to set up or hide before a confrontation then victory would almost certainly go to Legion. Unmatched accuracy combined with the ability to hide, perfectly still, for hours or maybe even days at a time in environments hostile to organics is a winning combination.

[DoNotTrololo]

SNascimento wrote...

DoNotTrololo wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

Samara would own Jack with no effort, the latter is just a super powerful thug, the former a super powerful killing machine.
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Wrex would kill both though.
.
And Miranda would kill Wrex.

...Riiiight. Well, I see there is no hope here. Though I'll kindly ask you to contain your ridiculousness to you and Luis in the Miranda thread, so as not to reflect negatively on your fanbase. They do not deserve a tarnished reputation from the actions of a few, like... Well, every fanbase.

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And I'll kindly ask you to stop being so presumptuous... what I'm saying is completely acceptable and I can back up with a lot of facts, if you give me reasons to.
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Anyway, just read the other things I said in this thread before saying anything else. 

Why should I go back and read what you've already typed when you'll gladly re-type it if I ask you to?



Now, kindly explain how young, catsuited Miranda would take down a Krogan Battlemaster half as old as ol' Jesus's desecrated remains, who's spent every day of his life in harsh combat, learning from his experiences, and who took down a Thresher Maw, alone, on foot, during puberty.


We're not just talking brute force here. Throw in unmatched cunning, some impressive maneuverability for being hundreds and hundreds of pounds, plus another couple hundred in armour, and his not-to-be-laughed-at biotics for icing.

[Someone With Mass]

I hope you guys are aware of the fact that Wrex is also a biotic.

I really don't think Miranda would be able to take him down so easy.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 14 décembre 2011 - 10:05 .

[MisterJB]

DoNotTrololo wrote...
I'll agree with everything else you listed, except on two points. Note that given the biotic bubble's success, she is apparently in the same ballpark as Jacob and Thane's biotics. 

But then, just how powerful are Jacob and Thane, really? One is a soldier, the other an assasin. It's not unreasonable to assume that they too are above average.

Also, I wouldn't say that Miranda is more intelligent than your average human; Intelligence is rather hard to engineer, as it has a hell of a lot more to do with experiences than what you were born with. Maybe she was given a higher chance of being an information sponge, I'll concede, but we really don't have anything on which to argue on Miranda's intelligence, either for or against.

Being "good at just about anything I choose to do" (AKA being an information sponge) already denotes a certain level of intelligence. And there are other examples.
Miranda was able to escape from the richest human in the galaxy at a very young age, 14 to 16, but, more importantly, she was the head of the Lazarus Project. Wilson was clearly a genius since he was the one who assured Miranda that Shepard was salvageable but later, she was able to correct him.

Modifié par MisterJB, 14 décembre 2011 - 10:08 .

[100k]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

 Wrex, IMO.

Next up, Zaeed.

Pretty much this, followed by Samara.

As with Shepard, experience is what these guys feed off of. No one in Shepard's crew, minus Samara, has more experience, skill, and luck.

Against the heavier biotics, Wrex would utilize his own biotics + size and gun power to easily overpower all foes. Zaeed is also a master at dealing with asari commandos, so he'd adapt. His only drawback is age-- but he's still got fight in him.

Samara is singlehandedly the most experienced person Shepard has met. She's more predictable thant Zaeed and Wrex, but her high skills with weapons, matched with incredible biotic talents make her a force that few could challenge. 

1. Wrex (+ Saren)
2. Zaeed (+Shepard)
3. Samara (+Nihilus, Aria + Leng)
4. Morinth (+Vasir + Benezia)
5. Garrus 
6. Jacob, Ash, Kaiden
7. Thane
8. Miranda, Liara
9. Legion, Grunt, Vega
10. Jack
11. Mordin, Kasumi, Tali

Granted, this is ONLY a tekken-style match up list. In a no-rules free for all, Legion and Thane easily dominate the competition, even with Shepard involved. Nobody can match their innovative skills. 

[SNascimento]

DoNotTrololo wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

DoNotTrololo wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

Samara would own Jack with no effort, the latter is just a super powerful thug, the former a super powerful killing machine.
.
Wrex would kill both though.
.
And Miranda would kill Wrex.

...Riiiight. Well, I see there is no hope here. Though I'll kindly ask you to contain your ridiculousness to you and Luis in the Miranda thread, so as not to reflect negatively on your fanbase. They do not deserve a tarnished reputation from the actions of a few, like... Well, every fanbase.

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And I'll kindly ask you to stop being so presumptuous... what I'm saying is completely acceptable and I can back up with a lot of facts, if you give me reasons to.
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Anyway, just read the other things I said in this thread before saying anything else. 

Why should I go back and read what you've already typed when you'll gladly re-type it if I ask you to?



Now, kindly explain how young, catsuited Miranda would take down a Krogan Battlemaster half as old as ol' Jesus's desecrated remains, who's spent every day of his life in harsh combat, learning from his experiences, and who took down a Thresher Maw, alone, on foot, during puberty.


We're not just talking brute force here. Throw in unmatched cunning, some impressive maneuverability for being hundreds and hundreds of pounds, plus another couple hundred in armour, and his not-to-be-laughed-at biotics for icing.

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Shepard did it, didn't he?

[Nashiktal]

DoNotTrololo wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

DoNotTrololo wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

Samara would own Jack with no effort, the latter is just a super powerful thug, the former a super powerful killing machine.
.
Wrex would kill both though.
.
And Miranda would kill Wrex.

...Riiiight. Well, I see there is no hope here. Though I'll kindly ask you to contain your ridiculousness to you and Luis in the Miranda thread, so as not to reflect negatively on your fanbase. They do not deserve a tarnished reputation from the actions of a few, like... Well, every fanbase.

.
And I'll kindly ask you to stop being so presumptuous... what I'm saying is completely acceptable and I can back up with a lot of facts, if you give me reasons to.
.
Anyway, just read the other things I said in this thread before saying anything else. 

Why should I go back and read what you've already typed when you'll gladly re-type it if I ask you to?



Now, kindly explain how young, catsuited Miranda would take down a Krogan Battlemaster half as old as ol' Jesus's desecrated remains, who's spent every day of his life in harsh combat, learning from his experiences, and who took down a Thresher Maw, alone, on foot, during puberty.


We're not just talking brute force here. Throw in unmatched cunning, some impressive maneuverability for being hundreds and hundreds of pounds, plus another couple hundred in armour, and his not-to-be-laughed-at biotics for icing.

Don't forget his backup organs, he can take a hit to any of his organs and still keep going, he even has a secondary freakin nervous system.

Miranda was engineered to peak her natural abilities but she is nowhere close to being the best fighter of the bunch. She has consistantly failed to prove her tactical expertise, she overestimates her own abilities, displays bad leadership by sowing distrust among the crew and even manages to show her lack of taking into account changes in situation.

As for her enhanced abilities this is what we know. She is an above average biotic, she heals faster, she lives longer, and is a bit tougher than average non-enhanced humans, (she also apparently has great eyesight to be able to hit a mech from far away, but we never see this demonstrated) and she supposedly has improved intelligence over the average human.  Thats it combat-wise.

Otherwise her enhancements are mostly cosmetic.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Personally I have an hard time deciding between Wrex, Samara and Jack.

[100k]

MisterJB wrote...
Being "good at just about anything I choose to do" (AKA being an information sponge) already denotes a certain level of intelligence. And there are other examples.
Miranda was able to escape from the richest human in the galaxy at a very young age, 14 to 16, but, more importantly, she was the head of the Lazarus Project. Wilson was clearly a genius since he was the one who assured Miranda that Shepard was salvageable but later, she was able to correct him.

Well...I don't know if this is a fair example of her intelligence. Wilson might have been trying to kill Shepard and make it look like an accident. All Miranda would've done was fire him with the typical (and hollow) threat of eternal unemployment. Oh, she's probably smarter than him in matters of tactics (which allowed her to cut him off at the project base), but her intelligence isn't as quite impressive than Liara's or Mordin's.

Granted she doesn't have 108 years, or STG experience. 

[MisterJB]

Nashiktal wrote...

She has consistantly failed to prove her tactical expertise,

 Really, how so? I'd say being one of the few that can lead the Fire Team Flawlessly proves her tactical expertise.

displays bad leadership by sowing distrust among the crew and

 She did no such thing. In fact, it was obvious that the Cerberus crew trusted her. One of the operators on the bridge talked about how "Shepard and Lawson" would stop the collectors and another about how Miranda assured him that his family would be evacuated safely.
Some of the squadmates did not trust her, that is true. However, we have not actually seen Miranda sowing distrust among anyone so it's probrable that they distrusted her simply due to her loyalty to Cerberus.

even manages to show her lack of taking into account changes in situation.

When?

is a bit tougher than average non-enhanced humans,

On what basis do you claim that she is only "a bit" tougher?

[Amaterasuomikami]

Samara

Unrivalled biotic abilities
Great combat experience (in part due to her age)
Uses an assault rifle and sub-machine-gun
Pretty much fearless

[naledgeborn]

100k wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
Being "good at just about anything I choose to do" (AKA being an information sponge) already denotes a certain level of intelligence. And there are other examples.
Miranda was able to escape from the richest human in the galaxy at a very young age, 14 to 16, but, more importantly, she was the head of the Lazarus Project. Wilson was clearly a genius since he was the one who assured Miranda that Shepard was salvageable but later, she was able to correct him.

Well...I don't know if this is a fair example of her intelligence. Wilson might have been trying to kill Shepard and make it look like an accident. All Miranda would've done was fire him with the typical (and hollow) threat of eternal unemployment. Oh, she's probably smarter than him in matters of tactics (which allowed her to cut him off at the project base), but her intelligence isn't as quite impressive than Liara's or Mordin's.

Granted she doesn't have 108 years, or STG experience. 

Liara, really?

54 years of being a "child". 54 years of digging. 

Oh yeah she's definitely the first person I'd call for help in a fight.

[spirosz]

My favourite squadmate is stronger than yours! Is this how it works?

[Ryzaki]

Can we not play the "let's get digs on other characters to show how much better our favs are." game. They're all good fighters.

As far as I'm concerned Wrex and Samara are the strongest. Kind of hard for me to decide which is the strongest of the two. They both have centuries of experience and are extremely deadly.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 décembre 2011 - 10:28 .

[naledgeborn]

I just stated facts. No insults, though the truth might sting like one.

[Nashiktal]

MisterJB wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

She has consistantly failed to prove her tactical expertise,

 Really, how so? I'd say being one of the few that can lead the Fire Team Flawlessly proves her tactical expertise.

displays bad leadership by sowing distrust among the crew and

 She did no such thing. In fact, it was obvious that the Cerberus crew trusted her. One of the operators on the bridge talked about how "Shepard and Lawson" would stop the collectors and another about how Miranda assured him that his family would be evacuated safely.
Some of the squadmates did not trust her, that is true. However, we have not actually seen Miranda sowing distrust among anyone so it's probrable that they distrusted her simply due to her loyalty to Cerberus.

even manages to show her lack of taking into account changes in situation.

When?

is a bit tougher than average non-enhanced humans,

On what basis do you claim that she is only "a bit" tougher?

1. If we are going by pure gameplay mechanics than I dare say almost everyone is a god and this topic is moot.

2. Was the cerberus crew the lot doing the suicide mission? I was referring to the crew as in the only ones on the ship when you are doing the suicide mission. Fighting with jack, a very childish thing she should have been able to handle, is one such example.

3. Her very own freaking loyalty mission, and even the suicide mission. She fails to comprehend potential betrayal, she fails to take into accound changes of the original plan, and ends up using zerg rush as her only tactic. The suicide missions she overestimates her own ablitlies and when following her suggestions ends up causing damage to the missions itself.

[Ghost Lightning]

The obvious answer is Samara, but the priii*arrow to the knee*

[Ryzaki]

I like Miranda but if she wanted to kill Wrex she'd have to have a liberal mixing of luck along with her skill.

[atheelogos]

Friera wrote...

Id say Samara in overall combat. Or maybe Jack.
I don´t really know anything about LEgion nor Wrex, so I have no opinion there.

Although I can imagine Thane to be very deadly in close combat though. He´s supposte to be the greatest assassin.

Are you talking about physical strength? If so those choices don't make sense.