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[Michel1986]

Chewin3 wrote...

Michel1986 wrote...
Anyone knows what S1 means on her outfit ???

According to this page, the S stands for – Orbital Deployment, Reconnaissance, Infiltration, and Assault Forces.

Thanks for the info :happy:

[shinobi602]

MACharlie1 wrote...
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the change. As a guy whose thing isn't even girls, I think it's an appropiate change. I'm saying that they had to add sex appeal. For a multatude of reasons one of which being that there is a greater market for the Straight Male Gamer. 

Ehhh, I really doubt it would affect sales if they didn't "sex" her up. People who formed a relationship with Ashley in the first game would've still continued it no matter what. I doubt larger breasts will affect anyone's purchase of the game.

This is simply a design decision on Bioware's part.

[MACharlie1]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the change. As a guy whose thing isn't even girls, I think it's an appropiate change. I'm saying that they had to add sex appeal. For a multatude of reasons one of which being that there is a greater market for the Straight Male Gamer. 

Because no straight male prefers the less sexed-up characters like Tali and Liara, right?

By Straight Male Gamer, I don't mean the guys who will play through Mass Effect a dozen times. I mean the guy who will play through it maybe once and be done with it. I mean the 17-year old kid whose never seen actual set of jugs. Or the bratty 15 year old even who likes the Star Wars Prequels. 

And the trick isn't SALES. But the attempt to keep players playing ME, Bioware games, EA games, etc. 

Modifié par MACharlie1, 15 décembre 2011 - 09:03 .

[MELTOR13]

I wondered how long it would take the femi****s to creep into this thread. Answer: not long.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"Sensitive stuff" doesn't mean "getting tarted up in armor molded to look like a porn star".

Still better than Miranda and Samara. I'll take whatever I can get at this point.

True, true.  *sigh*

[Zanallen]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Why should everyone get unique armor? It's military equipment, mass produced.

ME1 got it right.

Except for the part where the squad backed by both the Alliance and the Council had to either purchase their weapons and armor with their own funds or loot it off the corpses of people they kill. Armor riddled with bullet holes: Super protective.

[AdmiralCheez]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

No.

Sick of everything in entertainment being sexed up, sexed over, and blatantly sexualized.

Can't a female character in a video game just be a competent protagonist, without also being made up as a sex object?

You know, I get where you're comming from, here.  I'm irritated as well, and I think we need to show more kinds of women than the Comic Book Standard in western entertainment.

However, there is nothing wrong with a character being sexy, or having big breasts, or wearing a stupid costume.  The trick is how she's presented--is she a complex, unique character in a narrative that explores her experiences as a person and focuses on her personality?  Or do the script, camera, and everything else about the narrative treat her as a walking pin-up?

[Sgt Stryker]

MACharlie1 wrote...
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the change. As a guy whose thing isn't even girls, I think it's an appropiate change. I'm saying that they had to add sex appeal. For a multatude of reasons one of which being that there is a greater market for the Straight Male Gamer. 

I would strongly advise you against making such broad generalizations. I happen to be one of those Straight Male Gamers, and the presence or absence of "sexy" female characters has no impact on whether or not I choose to buy a game. I judge a game based on other merits.

[Zanallen]

Saphra Deden wrote...

What was the point of making a post where you act like a **** while pretending not to be a **** while being really obvious about it?

Regarding Ashley, I can live with breast plates because they aren't quite as blatant and at least appear to be actual armor (even though I know they are actually unnecessary and are not good armor design). In that regard I'm willing to meet the dim-witted opposition half-way.

Said breast plates have been in every Mass Effect game so far so its a little odd to whine about it now.

[Lisa_H]

Wow, I really love that armor

[shinobi602]

MACharlie1 wrote...

And the trick isn't SALES. But the attempt to keep players playing ME, Bioware games, EA games, etc. 

Dude, I really, seriously doubt the inclusion of some slightly larger breasts on one character will do a whole lot to entice serious players to keep playing Mass Effect....honestly. It's such an insignificant aspect of the game...

[Sgt Stryker]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
You know, I get where you're comming from, here.  I'm irritated as well, and I think we need to show more kinds of women than the Comic Book Standard in western entertainment.

However, there is nothing wrong with a character being sexy, or having big breasts, or wearing a stupid costume. The trick is how she's presented--is she a complex, unique character in a narrative that explores her experiences as a person and focuses on her personality?  Or do the script, camera, and everything else about the narrative treat her as a walking pin-up?

Ah, but if all the female characters are wearing stupid costumes, and all the male characters happen to be wearing practical, believable costumes, isn't that still a part of the problem?

[Ottemis]

You know, let's settle this once and for all. Clothes are overrated, we used to all be naked.
Let's grow our hair and pluck some wine-leaves.

[Zanallen]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hey now, the government provided you with armor and weapons at the start: it was just ****.

And at that point we have to ask why the top rank of the Alliance special forces are outfitted with absolute crap weapons and armor. Did they spend all of their money developing the Normandy or something?

[Ottemis]

Zanallen wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hey now, the government provided you with armor and weapons at the start: it was just ****.

And at that point we have to ask why the top rank of the Alliance special forces are outfitted with absolute crap weapons and armor. Did they spend all of their money developing the Normandy or something?

Recession.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Zanallen wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

What was the point of making a post where you act like a **** while pretending not to be a **** while being really obvious about it?

Regarding Ashley, I can live with breast plates because they aren't quite as blatant and at least appear to be actual armor (even though I know they are actually unnecessary and are not good armor design). In that regard I'm willing to meet the dim-witted opposition half-way.

Said breast plates have been in every Mass Effect game so far so its a little odd to whine about it now.

Again, I have commented in the past about the costuming. 

And again, it did depend on which armor you were looking at. 

And again, in ME1, most of the armors looked like "the female body has things here that it has to fit over" as opposed to be the distaff equivalent of a massive codpiece. 

[Sylvianus]

Rojahar wrote...

People are still complaining she's too "sexed up" even when wearing the same armor as FShep? Does she need a burqa for you guys to not call her a *****?

I surely missed something too.

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

What was the point of making a post where you act like a **** while pretending not to be a **** while being really obvious about it?

Humor and self-satire.  You;re a nice guy, you make good posts, and I'm a petty little weasel for trying to egg you on and bring out the worst in you.  I should be able to get over our pasts douchefests, but I'm kind of a moron sometimes.

So instead of keeping my own awareness of my faults internal, I shared it, because I thought it'd be funny.  I'm sorry if you didn't--I thought you'd appreciate that I realized I'm not always the bigger person, that sometimes I'm a dick, and that you don't deserve the sh*t I give you.

It's kind of like admitting I'm wrong and saying sorry in the most convoluted manner possible.  With all caps.

So... I was wrong to assume you were a jerk, I was wrong to intentionally push your buttons, and I'm sorry.

Regarding Ashley, I can live with breast plates because they aren't quite as blatant and at least appear to be actual armor (even though I know they are actually unnecessary and are not good armor design). In that regard I'm willing to meet the dim-witted opposition half-way.

Same here, but honestly, I don't have a problem with booby plates.  A flat piece of armor would be uncomfortable, and one that hid the boobs by adding material to other areas would be needlessly bulky.  Naturally following the contours of one's body is cozier, ensures an even layer of protection, and hey, makes you look good.

In short, I'd totes wear booby plates.

[AdmiralCheez]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Ah, but if all the female characters are wearing stupid costumes, and all the male characters happen to be wearing practical, believable costumes, isn't that still a part of the problem?

See, THAT's where it gets dumb.