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[1136342t54_]

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Looks good. Looks very, very good.

In fact, I have a question:

Can we have Ash wear that all the time? Instead of that blue... thing?

Does shepard wear his armor all the time?....No.

True.

But Zaeed does
and Garrus
and Grunt
and Samara.
and Jacob (inasmuch as that is armor)
You get the picture 

Garrus never wore it in the romance. 

[shinobi602]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Ah, but if all the female characters are wearing stupid costumes, and all the male characters happen to be wearing practical, believable costumes, isn't that still a part of the problem?

Yes but that isn't true in this case.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...
You know, I get where you're comming from, here.  I'm irritated as well, and I think we need to show more kinds of women than the Comic Book Standard in western entertainment.

However, there is nothing wrong with a character being sexy, or having big breasts, or wearing a stupid costume. The trick is how she's presented--is she a complex, unique character in a narrative that explores her experiences as a person and focuses on her personality?  Or do the script, camera, and everything else about the narrative treat her as a walking pin-up?

Ah, but if all the female characters are wearing stupid costumes, and all the male characters happen to be wearing practical, believable costumes, isn't that still a part of the problem?

Nailed it.

[darth_lopez]

OMG THIS IS REVOLUTIONARY!

The Female Armor model here actually Protects Vital Organs MY GOD WHY DIDN"T SCIENCE THINK OF THIS IN ME 2... 

[JeffZero]

Gonna dress Garrus up like Cersei Lannister and see what sparks of BSN revolution I find waiting for me on the other side.

[AdmiralCheez]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I'm sorry but a stupid costume is a stupid costume.

Miranda is a complex character, but her costume is still stupid and detracts from her it by distracting the player.

Samara? Same thing. (I guess. I find her boring and she isn't even that great as eye candy).

Sam never bugged me for some reason (probably because I like her as a character AND think she's pretty).  But I think Miranda's a good example of the game "treating her like a pin-up" for two reasons:

1. Constant booty shots.
2. Why the hell would she even dress like that?

If it weren't for the booty shots, I'd attribute the outfit to horrible taste in fashion or a need to show off her body to hide how ashamed she is of it.  The first one is a charming character flaw, the second an extension of her core conflict.  But the booty shots made it clear that it was neither--she was only dressed that way to pander to ye olde lowest common denominator.

I'd still make fun of the stupid outfit, but I wouldn't feel personally offended by it if it weren't for how the game treated her.

[1136342t54_]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

No.

Sick of everything in entertainment being sexed up, sexed over, and blatantly sexualized.

Can't a female character in a video game just be a competent protagonist, without also being made up as a sex object?

You know, I get where you're comming from, here.  I'm irritated as well, and I think we need to show more kinds of women than the Comic Book Standard in western entertainment.

However, there is nothing wrong with a character being sexy, or having big breasts, or wearing a stupid costume.  The trick is how she's presented--is she a complex, unique character in a narrative that explores her experiences as a person and focuses on her personality?  Or do the script, camera, and everything else about the narrative treat her as a walking pin-up?

Basically if you want a character who has some great...assets then make someone who is more than just her looks.

I don't know about you but I think Bioware did succeed with those female characers in ME2. Hell with Samara her appearance wasn't constantly talked about like it was with Miranda or Jack. With those 2 it wasn't even what defined them.

Although the problem with this some people who are heavily against sexualization would likely not care much about the character since they assume due to her appearance she is very shallow which is a big mistake.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Rojahar wrote...
People are still complaining she's too "sexed up" even when wearing the same armor as FShep?   Does she need a burqa for you guys to not call her a *****?

No. 

And it's not just Ashley.  

The issue is with the armor having the distaff equivalent of codpieces slapped on the chest.  The armor is exagerated to emphasize the breasts, a useless feature in terms of its combat effectiveness and protective value.  The design "feature is purely designed to play to base, purile sex "appeal".

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 15 décembre 2011 - 09:27 .

[MACharlie1]

Rojahar wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Ah, but if all the female characters are wearing stupid costumes, and all the male characters happen to be wearing practical, believable costumes, isn't that still a part of the problem?

See, THAT's where it gets dumb.

It's not like Thane and Jacob are wearing armor. Their outfits are completely designed for sex appeal.

I'll be honest - I never understood why everyone says Jacob isn't wearing armor. He is clearly wearing a chest plate with shoulder guards. 

[1136342t54_]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Sam never bugged me for some reason (probably because I like her as a character AND think she's pretty).  But I think Miranda's a good example of the game "treating her like a pin-up" for two reasons:

1. Constant booty shots.
2. Why the hell would she even dress like that?

If it weren't for the booty shots, I'd attribute the outfit to horrible taste in fashion or a need to show off her body to hide how ashamed she is of it.  The first one is a charming character flaw, the second an extension of her core conflict.  But the booty shots made it clear that it was neither--she was only dressed that way to pander to ye olde lowest common denominator.

I'd still make fun of the stupid outfit, but I wouldn't feel personally offended by it if it weren't for how the game treated her.

Then again when you really think about it she had as many butt shots as Jacob did. The only difference is Jacob as a character isn't as interesting.

[Icinix]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

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*throws confetti*

Of course, now that I know my whining will get me things...

HEY BIOWARE HOW ABOUT THEM TURIAN LADIES?

Nah jk I have the happy now.

lol - you mean like all the people who whined about the first ME1 so it has some big re-designs?

Those who whine loudest, win!

As an aside - I like it. It looks like femshep N7 armour from ME2. Massive imrovement over the spandex.

[1136342t54_]

Didn't know this was the thread to post your most dislike character that you want to kill off for some reason.

[Sylvianus]

Where were you with M2 to scream about femshep the porn star ? That seems almost the same.

[AdmiralCheez]

1136342t54 wrote...

Basically if you want a character who has some great...assets then make someone who is more than just her looks.

Yes.  And if she's going to dress goofy, have it fit her character.  Even people who "don't care how they look" dress how they do for a reason.  Also, like others have mentioned in this thread, have variety in your women, and give them the same respect you give your men.

DA2 did this remarkably well--check out Isabela and Aveline.  Not only are they polar opposites (good character variety!), but their appearances reflect that (good character design!).

I don't know about you but I think Bioware did succeed with those female characers in ME2. Hell with Samara her appearance wasn't constantly talked about like it was with Miranda or Jack. With those 2 it wasn't even what defined them.

Jack and Sam, yes.  Miranda, no, for the pin-up treatment I mentioned above.

Although the problem with this some people who are heavily against sexualization would likely not care much about the character since they assume due to her appearance she is very shallow which is a big mistake.

Which is their fault, but it's also the game's fault.  In a primarily visual medium like video games, it's really important that how a character looks reflects who they are, unless you're working the "don't judge a book by its cover" angle.

A woman who is practical and wanted to be taken seriously would dress as such.  Hence the problem with Miranda.  And that was the problem with Ash before she got her armor--being combat-ready was important to her, and she wouldn't go back on that, even if she was okay with looking awesome-hot off the battlefield.

[shinobi602]

LMAO. I love how seriously some people take stuff like this.

"No no no no, the material linings of the carbon farbide S1 Spectre armor are embued with special nanotrites that are built for combat. The extra "boob armor" is NOT needed! The dynamics of the energy hitting the chest plate necessitates a flatter area to compensate for velocity x MC^2. These "lumps" are unnecessary! whereby we can feasibly deduce that said boob space is constructed purely for sex appeal of the lowest common denominator!!!"

Modifié par shinobi602, 15 décembre 2011 - 09:39 .

[Arcadian Legend]

Sylvianus wrote...






Where were you with M2 to scream about femshep the porn star ? That seems almost the same.

Nice FemShep, if that's yours.

[CroGamer002]

Wait, people complain about her armor?


Why am I not surprised?

[Sylvianus]

@ Arcadian Legend

That isn't mine , just found the pic on femshep thread.

@ Sephren, yeah not the point actually, but i understand, it's hard to look like dumb. The armor is the same, so where were you to scream Femshep is a porn star ?