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[shinobi602]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Oh, how clever of you. 

Grow up.

Your "legitimate concerns" have been addressed numerous times in this thread already and you ignore them.

[MELTOR13]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I've said more than once that "at least Ashley is in armor, so it's an improvement over several characters in ME2".

That's just an underlying negative thought though. 

There's a difference between "yay armor! SQUEEEEEEE" and "jeez, at least she's in armor, unlike several characters in ME2" 

Very negative, debbie-downer. I hope you find happiness, somewhere. 

[Ottemis]

MELTOR13 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I've said more than once that "at least Ashley is in armor, so it's an improvement over several characters in ME2".

That's just an underlying negative thought though. 

There's a difference between "yay armor! SQUEEEEEEE" and "jeez, at least she's in armor, unlike several characters in ME2" 

Very negative, debbie-downer. I hope you find happiness, somewhere.

Hmm ya, you know for all the raging you'd wonder why some bother playing the game at all.
Such agrivation can't be good for your bloodpressure.
 And yeah, sometimes I look at these boards and wonder if they don't tire themselves out with their constant complaining, because really, it seems people just conciously choose to be unhappy and disatisfied.
It wouldn't be my preferred state of being.

Modifié par Ottemis, 16 décembre 2011 - 04:55 .

[JeffZero]

It's a marked improvement over some of the squadmates' required attire in ME2, and that's all I was hoping for. Hence, I'm not going to waste any e-breath raging against the machine on this one. Too much else going on in life, and frankly, I'm satisfied enough.

[Killjoy Cutter]

jreezy wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
For eff's sake, femShep had largely avoided that, and then BOOM, "Herp derp, let's stick her in a cocktail dress lol."

I find this reasoning offensive to FemShep's character. I know your screen name is killjoy but man, this is just suprising.

How is questioning gratuitous chest shots of femShep in a low-cut top "offensive" to her character?

[Killjoy Cutter]

shinobi602 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Oh, how clever of you. 

Grow up.

Your "legitimate concerns" have been addressed numerous times in this thread already and you ignore them.

Ignore what?  People saying "why u haetz boobz lol"?

[shinobi602]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Ignore what?  People saying "why u haetz boobz lol"?

I'll just repost what I said on the previous page:

That would be true if Ashley was a shallow character with nothing deeper to delve into about her, and is only a sex object. However we know this is definitely not the case. She has many interesting aspects to her character. She's not seen just as meat. She's one of Bioware's best developed characters in my humble opinion. Whether you like or not, women in general in the real world DO like to look good, smell good, etc. Why should Ashley be any different?

So how in the hell is Ashley not a character in her own right? This changes nothing about her. If anything that damn Kestrel armor is totally unrealistic. An extremely flat metal chest piece? Would seem very uncomfortable to me. There is no room there for her breasts, and I'm saying that in a straight face.

Your complaint about Shepard's dress is unfounded. What about the context of it? It was obvious reasons. Male Shepard got a suit, female Shepard got a classy dress to blend in in that high class party. That was the whole point.

Modifié par shinobi602, 16 décembre 2011 - 05:09 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

shinobi602 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Ignore what?  People saying "why u haetz boobz lol"?

I'll just repost what I said on the previous page:

That would be true if Ashley was a shallow character with nothing deeper to delve into about her, and is only a sex object. However we know this is definitely not the case. She has many interesting aspects to her character. She's not seen just as meat. She's one of Bioware's best developed characters in my humble opinion. Whether you like or not, women in general in the real world DO like to look good, smell good, etc. Why should Ashley be any different?

So how in the hell is Ashley not a character in her own right? This changes nothing about her. If anything that damn Kestrel armor is totally unrealistic. An extremely flat metal chest piece? Would seem very uncomfortable to me. There is no room there for her breasts, and I'm saying that in a straight face.

The female version of the ME2 Kestrel wasn't as flat as the male version. 

As for Ashley, the whole point is that she is and should continue to be a character in her own right, but that there are changes being made to her that appear intended to make her into more of a sexual object. 

shinobi602 wrote...
Your complaint about Shepard's dress is unfounded. What about the context of it? It was obvious reasons. Male Shepard got a suit, female Shepard got a classy dress to blend in in that high class party. That was the whole point.

A leather mini-dress is "classy"?  Why no choice?  Why no outfit more suited to a full range of femShep characterizations?  Why that particular short and low-cut look?  Why would a powerful mercenary commander (Allison Gunn) go to party for the who's who of shady characters dressed like a damn hostess?

[ArcanistLibram]

The shot doesn't give a very flattering view of her face, but the armor looks nice and professional. Better than white and pink.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Yes, it is better than the ME1/ME2 Pheonix.

[shinobi602]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The female version of the ME2 Kestrel wasn't as flat as the male version. 

As for Ashley, the whole point is that she is and should continue to be a character in her own right, but that there are changes being made to her that appear intended to make her into more of a sexual object. 

It's still extremely fit, and doesn't seem realistic and practical for a woman decently sized breasts...But, anyway, I guess we can agree to disagree here. Her boobs aren't really that huge, they're slightly larger. Still, she's just wearing another rendition of femshep's armor...

By the way, did you know Miranda was designed by female designers?

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
A leather mini-dress is "classy"?  Why no choice?  Why no outfit more suited to a full range of femShep characterizations?  Why that particular short and low-cut look?  Why would a powerful mercenary commander (Allison Gunn) go to party for the who's who of shady characters dressed like a damn hostess?

Seemed like a shiny silk type dress to me. You could say the same thing about choice for male Shepards too. Only one suit to choose. In any case, mini-dress? Come on, it's almost down to her knees....

Modifié par shinobi602, 16 décembre 2011 - 05:29 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

And honestly, I've always just thought that the "breast domes" on armor look silly, and stylized for no practical purpose -- the more exagerated, the more silly.

If you take a look at, say, the Armax Predator armor in ME1, it appears functional in design. It fits the wearer, and is actually camofluaged as opposed to some of the clown-schemes on other ME1 armors.

[billy the squid]

Estelindis wrote...

I have to say, I chose not to use the Kestrel breastplate for my FemShep because I found it ugly and blocky. Looking forward to a version that better fits females. :-)

That said...

Indeed functionality would dictate that there be no difference between a woman's armour and a man's other than size and possibly weight for fitting, the form should be the same, ie: no armoured cups. But, so long as it doesn't move into the realms of absurdity, a bit of flair on the part of the concept artist and the techy guys who put the item in game isn't a bad thing, even if it is not the best way to design a breastplate practicaly it still looks effective as a piece of armour.

[shinobi602]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
If you take a look at, say, the Armax Predator armor in ME1, it appears functional in design. It fits the wearer, and is actually camofluaged as opposed to some of the clown-schemes on other ME1 armors.

Yea, but if every armor were intended to be practical, both in function and aesthetically, game wouldn't be as fun eh.

[Killjoy Cutter]

shinobi602 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
If you take a look at, say, the Armax Predator armor in ME1, it appears functional in design. It fits the wearer, and is actually camofluaged as opposed to some of the clown-schemes on other ME1 armors.

Yea, but if every armor were intended to be practical, both in function and aesthetically, game wouldn't be as fun eh.

We'll have to disagree.

[shinobi602]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

We'll have to disagree.

I guess. I just like my different colors. I'd get tired of looking at the same color armor all the time

Modifié par shinobi602, 16 décembre 2011 - 06:03 .

[ADLegend21]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I've said more than once that "at least Ashley is in armor, so it's an improvement over several characters in ME2".

I didn't say that Ashley was "too big". My complaint is that the armor appears more and more designed to arrouse and titilate with each new sequel, more and more to just be "iconic" for marketing purposes, and less and less around practical considerations of protecting the wearer in combat.

If I do come across as ragey, it's because the people trying to shoot down my posts aren't even responding to what I'm saying, they're making up nonsense that has nothing to do with what I've actually said.

that's femshep's default N7 armor from ME2 she's wearing.if the armor is good enough for a Special forces spectre that saved the galaxy, it should be good enough for ashley as well. Also women have breasts and their clothing and aror have to accomodate them, get over it.

[Killjoy Cutter]

And as stated many times, there's a difference between "accomdate" and "HEY CHECK THESE OUT YOWZAH!"

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

ADLegend21 wrote...
that's femshep's default N7 armor from ME2 she's wearing.if the armor is good enough for a Special forces spectre that saved the galaxy, it should be good enough for ashley as well. Also women have breasts and their clothing and aror have to accomodate them, get over it.

Yes, everything that accomodates something must also display it. That's why maleshep wears a codpiece.

[happy_daiz]

^ In regard to that Allison Gunn getup, I always wondered why she was wearing that dress with granny pumps. Surely she could have worn more stylish kicks. 

Modifié par happy_daiz, 16 décembre 2011 - 06:34 .

[C9316]

And now we're talking about that dress in the Kasumi DLC? Can we at least try to get back on topic?

[kohlmannj]

 Alright folks, let's chill for a second and try to see how this female armor design dilemma has been handled in other sci-fi contexts. Honestly, it's kind of hard to find good examples since there's so much bad out there.

First up, people have mentioned Tela Vasir. Her armor has lower shoulders (and les shoulder armor) and a general downward slope. There's also lots of armor plating on her chest.


Now, I love the Metroid Prime games, so here's Samus's armor. It avoids "cups", but it's safe to say the Varia Suit would be out of place in Mass Effect.


Haven't had the chance to play it, but I dug up some Oni artwork:


Another cited example from elsewhere, Mira from "Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine":


And finally, to round things out, here's Asari commando armor, which is probably closer to "suit" to be honest:


Back to Ashley's Mass Effect 3 armor: the lighting in the image of Ashley's armor is less-than-perfect. There is some sex appeal going on there. It's probably about as bad as Female Shepard's armor, as others have commented. In general Ashley's a "shiny new returning squadmate" in Mass Effect 3, so hey, why not I guess. It's probably just enough to be okay.

It also occurs to me that when BioWare has designed armor, they've at least made it real actual armor and not truly embarassing "skin and cleavage armor". Note that I mean real armor, not Samara suit thing. Can't win 'em all

Modifié par kohlmannj, 16 décembre 2011 - 06:46 .