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[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

ADLegend21 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

*sigh*

You may think it's Ashley. But I do not.

Truth is... neither of us really know for sure. We'll just have to find out.

What I do know is that Bioware has changed the way they are headed with their games. It's obvious when you look at ME1 and then ME2 and now what we've seen of ME3. 

Oh really?  what I've seen is women being amazing in both games. Ashley was highly respected in ME1, in ME2 half of your elite team is female, 5/8 correct choices for the positions on the suicide mission are female. if that's what you're talking about. if not please do explain.

I'm talking visuals and style when talking about the charcters clothing, armor, and the stupid "iconic looks" kick...

I'm talking streamlining and linearity with the gameplay and choices.

And sorry but making a female the right choice in a suicide mission does not make it ok to doll them up. They can still be badass and the right choice when not all oversexed all the time. 

Who gives a damn how they look. enemies don't go "her hair's down she's easier to kill!' because by the time they say half of that Ashley, Miranda, Jack, Samara, Kasumi, Tali, or Liara will have killed them already, because they're incredibly capable soldiers with wide ranges of talents that make them all the more lethal. Samra has an attack that HEALS her! so when she uses reave, she can be gettign shot but get healed at the same time!

Yes they are extremely capable characters and I would like to have them look the part as well. Not just looking like some sexed up eye candy girls. 

Plus, I've never said anything negative about the hair. Sure I like the bun... but I like the hair down look too. It's never been about the hair. lol

[Ryzaki]

There's no fat people the same reason there's no female turians.

Devs didn't bother making the models.

[ADLegend21]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Shub-Niggurath64 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

And sorry but making a female the right choice in a suicide mission does not make it ok to doll them up. They can still be badass and the right choice when not all oversexed all the time. 

But here's the thing: they gave both Ash and Miri armor, so while they're still doing that dumb pin-up girl thing, they're at least making an effort in the name of those of us who Do Not Want.

And don't forget; both Tali and Liara have not been oversexualized this whole time. Kasumi, too. Which is good, because these are the female squadmates I tend to use the most anyway.

See, it's not your character... so you don't care. Same with me and Ashley. I care b/c I love her character. I don't give two ***** about tali, liara, and kasumi. They could not show up in the game and I wouldn't bat an eyelash. 

I care about ashley just as much as you do and I don't care that she's sporting her new outfit. It shows off her new spectre status siwht several spectre Logo's and the colors of the spectre's and Alliance (light and dark blues) which she has earned through hard work and perseverance.

[Nashiktal]

ADLegend21 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

*sigh*

You may think it's Ashley. But I do not.

Truth is... neither of us really know for sure. We'll just have to find out.

What I do know is that Bioware has changed the way they are headed with their games. It's obvious when you look at ME1 and then ME2 and now what we've seen of ME3. 

Oh really?  what I've seen is women being amazing in both games. Ashley was highly respected in ME1, in ME2 half of your elite team is female, 5/8 correct choices for the positions on the suicide mission are female. if that's what you're talking about. if not please do explain.

I'm talking visuals and style when talking about the charcters clothing, armor, and the stupid "iconic looks" kick...

I'm talking streamlining and linearity with the gameplay and choices.

And sorry but making a female the right choice in a suicide mission does not make it ok to doll them up. They can still be badass and the right choice when not all oversexed all the time. 

Who gives a damn how they look. enemies don't go "her hair's down she's easier to kill!' because by the time they say half of that Ashley, Miranda, Jack, Samara, Kasumi, Tali, or Liara will have killed them already, because they're incredibly capable soldiers with wide ranges of talents that make them all the more lethal. Samra has an attack that HEALS her! so when she uses reave, she can be gettign shot but get healed at the same time!

I give a damn. I like consistency in my story, I liked seeing a mililtary female not being frakking sexualized for once, I liked seeing an on duty, honest to god, down to earth armored and tied hair ashley, especially since I come from a military family.  I liked how ME1 tried to keep things grouned even when it went outlandish with certain fantasy elements.

Having her hair down is a big sticking point for me. Of course the enemy in the game isn't going to care whether ashley hair is down or not, they won't care about anything. You could be attacking them with a nuke gun and they wouldn't care, thats a silly argument to make. However seeing ashley with her hair down makes me think they changed her character, and it certainly shocked my cousin who is a fan of the series, she definitely had a few choice words to say about it. (my family was annoyed at a few things in the series as a whole, like improper salutes and they were confused by how ranks worked)

And AD you seem to be going all over the place with your arguments. No one is questioning the character of most of the squadmates you listed! Despite my annoyance at their lack of armor it fits their character, when I say I want hardsuits I mean when it made sense.

Believe it or not ashley's hair being down on duty is actually quite important in defining her character (probably more so than armor), its imporant for many characters. Its the same with jack, same with kaiden, same with grunt. Jack gaining hair is a sign of change (maturity according to devs), grunts small and fused plates (quite different from wrex's and other krogan) is a sign of his youth , and I am sure eyebrows would be raised if kaiden grew out his hair and left it untied, just like complaints are being raised about ashley having her hair down in the battlefield.

Luckily we were promised helmets, and I am stuffing her in one until she learns proper protocol. We are fighting a damn genocide from god machines, and if I can't count on ashley to soldier up she stays on the ship.

[AdmiralCheez]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

There's also the camera angle "across the bow" on femShep during the ride to Kasumi's LM... 

Did it to both Sheps, so it doesn't count.

You know what annoyed me, though?  BroShep gets a kiss from Gianna, but FemShep gets called a stripper.  THANKS, Bioware.

[AdmiralCheez]

Ryzaki wrote...

There's no fat people the same reason there's no female turians.

Devs didn't bother making the models.

Indeed.

Did I mention we need female turians?

[FoxShadowblade]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

There's also the camera angle "across the bow" on femShep during the ride to Kasumi's LM... 

Did it to both Sheps, so it doesn't count.

You know what annoyed me, though?  BroShep gets a kiss from Gianna, but FemShep gets called a stripper.  THANKS, Bioware.

Well not everyone in a BioWare game can be bi-sexual. And I seriously doubt my gender has changed much in the future. So yeah, stripper. 

[lady winde]

:| Believe it or not... people change hairstyles all the time. Especially women. I don't see why this is an issue but apparently it is for others and that's a shame since, for me anyways and I'm speaking for myself when I say this, it seems like such a trivial thing.

I'm happy with what has been shown and I love her new armor. Very sleek.

[AdmiralCheez]

FoxShadowblade wrote...

Well not everyone in a BioWare game can be bi-sexual.

But there were no CUTE MALE NPCs, were there?

And I seriously doubt my gender has changed much in the future. So yeah, stripper.

May you never get laid.

[Someone With Mass]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Indeed.

Did I mention we need female turians?

Well, we'll get one other female alien besides the krogan in ME3. 

[AdmiralCheez]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Well, we'll get one other female alien besides the krogan in ME3.

Wait, do we meet a salarian dalatrass or something?

PM me, bro.

[Someone With Mass]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Wait, do we meet a salarian dalatrass or something?

PM me, bro.

And one PM is sent.

[AdmiralCheez]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Yes, indeed. 

And I'm really happy we now have armor, but people keep insisting on arguing about it. So, I will continue to argue my side of it. lol

Alas, the BSN.

Yes, Thane and Jacob were... but

1. Thane's being an assassin and the part where his chest needs to be exposed makes his fine. And it's not like his looked horrible.

That's called a convenient lore excuse.  And seriously, if he didn't want fabric to get in the way or get caught on stuff, what's with the long coat?  Wouldn't no coat at all be smarter?

2. I hated Jacob's outfit as well... but since he isn't my favorite character, I'm not gonna take up the fight in his name. Know what I mean? lol

Poor Jacob.

[Obvakhi]

Nashiktal wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

*sigh*

You may think it's Ashley. But I do not.

Truth is... neither of us really know for sure. We'll just have to find out.

What I do know is that Bioware has changed the way they are headed with their games. It's obvious when you look at ME1 and then ME2 and now what we've seen of ME3. 

Oh really?  what I've seen is women being amazing in both games. Ashley was highly respected in ME1, in ME2 half of your elite team is female, 5/8 correct choices for the positions on the suicide mission are female. if that's what you're talking about. if not please do explain.

I'm talking visuals and style when talking about the charcters clothing, armor, and the stupid "iconic looks" kick...

I'm talking streamlining and linearity with the gameplay and choices.

And sorry but making a female the right choice in a suicide mission does not make it ok to doll them up. They can still be badass and the right choice when not all oversexed all the time. 

Who gives a damn how they look. enemies don't go "her hair's down she's easier to kill!' because by the time they say half of that Ashley, Miranda, Jack, Samara, Kasumi, Tali, or Liara will have killed them already, because they're incredibly capable soldiers with wide ranges of talents that make them all the more lethal. Samra has an attack that HEALS her! so when she uses reave, she can be gettign shot but get healed at the same time!

I give a damn. I like consistency in my story, I liked seeing a mililtary female not being frakking sexualized for once, I liked seeing an on duty, honest to god, down to earth armored and tied hair ashley, especially since I come from a military family.  I liked how ME1 tried to keep things grouned even when it went outlandish with certain fantasy elements.

Having her hair down is a big sticking point for me. Of course the enemy in the game isn't going to care whether ashley hair is down or not, they won't care about anything. You could be attacking them with a nuke gun and they wouldn't care, thats a silly argument to make. However seeing ashley with her hair down makes me think they changed her character, and it certainly shocked my cousin who is a fan of the series, she definitely had a few choice words to say about it. (my family was annoyed at a few things in the series as a whole, like improper salutes and they were confused by how ranks worked)

And AD you seem to be going all over the place with your arguments. No one is questioning the character of most of the squadmates you listed! Despite my annoyance at their lack of armor it fits their character, when I say I want hardsuits I mean when it made sense.

Believe it or not ashley's hair being down on duty is actually quite important in defining her character (probably more so than armor), its imporant for many characters. Its the same with jack, same with kaiden, same with grunt. Jack gaining hair is a sign of change (maturity according to devs), grunts small and fused plates (quite different from wrex's and other krogan) is a sign of his youth , and I am sure eyebrows would be raised if kaiden grew out his hair and left it untied, just like complaints are being raised about ashley having her hair down in the battlefield.

Luckily we were promised helmets, and I am stuffing her in one until she learns proper protocol. We are fighting a damn genocide from god machines, and if I can't count on ashley to soldier up she stays on the ship.

All I see is a lot of  'me me me!' in that post, just what you want.  You seem to be forgetting that Ash is a Spectre, she doesn't have to follow military protocol.
I have no problem with characters changing hairstyles.

Enjoy your helmets. Hope Ash can breathe.

[ADLegend21]

lady winde wrote...

:| Believe it or not... people change hairstyles all the time. Especially women. I don't see why this is an issue but apparently it is for others and that's a shame since, for me anyways and I'm speaking for myself when I say this, it seems like such a trivial thing.

I'm happy with what has been shown and I love her new armor. Very sleek.

I'm more upset that they copied and pasted her look from ME1. TWO YEARS passed and she had the same armor, same hair, same everyhting when in the actual game I didn't have the same armor from beginning to end of missions!

[Sgt Stryker]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
You know what annoyed me, though?  BroShep gets a kiss from Gianna, but FemShep gets called a stripper.  THANKS, Bioware.

To be fair, immediately after that FemShep gets the opportunity to put that batarian jackass in his place. DudeShep misses out on that content.

[AdmiralCheez]

Obvakhi wrote...

All I see is a lot of  'me me me!' in that post, just what you want.  You seem to be forgetting that Ash is a Spectre, she doesn't have to follow military protocol.
I have no problem with characters changing hairstyles.

Enjoy your helmets. Hope Ash can breathe.

Nash is a little militant when it comes to hte hair/helmet thing.  Me?  Can't complain, especially when my FemSheps look like this:

http://desmond.image....png&res=medium
http://desmond.image....png&res=medium

HAIR IN THE EYES WHAT also I don't put helmets on much lol.

[Sgt Stryker]

Obvakhi wrote...
All I see is a lot of  'me me me!' in that post, just what you want.  You seem to be forgetting that Ash is a Spectre, she doesn't have to follow military protocol.
I have no problem with characters changing hairstyles.

Enjoy your helmets. Hope Ash can breathe.

You're forgetting one thing though. Military protocol doesn't just exist for the lulz. There is a very practical reason why one would want either short hair or tied-back hair when deployed for extended periods of time in the field. I'll let you figure that one out on your own.

[Nashiktal]

Obvakhi wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

*sigh*

You may think it's Ashley. But I do not.

Truth is... neither of us really know for sure. We'll just have to find out.

What I do know is that Bioware has changed the way they are headed with their games. It's obvious when you look at ME1 and then ME2 and now what we've seen of ME3. 

Oh really?  what I've seen is women being amazing in both games. Ashley was highly respected in ME1, in ME2 half of your elite team is female, 5/8 correct choices for the positions on the suicide mission are female. if that's what you're talking about. if not please do explain.

I'm talking visuals and style when talking about the charcters clothing, armor, and the stupid "iconic looks" kick...

I'm talking streamlining and linearity with the gameplay and choices.

And sorry but making a female the right choice in a suicide mission does not make it ok to doll them up. They can still be badass and the right choice when not all oversexed all the time. 

Who gives a damn how they look. enemies don't go "her hair's down she's easier to kill!' because by the time they say half of that Ashley, Miranda, Jack, Samara, Kasumi, Tali, or Liara will have killed them already, because they're incredibly capable soldiers with wide ranges of talents that make them all the more lethal. Samra has an attack that HEALS her! so when she uses reave, she can be gettign shot but get healed at the same time!

I give a damn. I like consistency in my story, I liked seeing a mililtary female not being frakking sexualized for once, I liked seeing an on duty, honest to god, down to earth armored and tied hair ashley, especially since I come from a military family.  I liked how ME1 tried to keep things grouned even when it went outlandish with certain fantasy elements.

Having her hair down is a big sticking point for me. Of course the enemy in the game isn't going to care whether ashley hair is down or not, they won't care about anything. You could be attacking them with a nuke gun and they wouldn't care, thats a silly argument to make. However seeing ashley with her hair down makes me think they changed her character, and it certainly shocked my cousin who is a fan of the series, she definitely had a few choice words to say about it. (my family was annoyed at a few things in the series as a whole, like improper salutes and they were confused by how ranks worked)

And AD you seem to be going all over the place with your arguments. No one is questioning the character of most of the squadmates you listed! Despite my annoyance at their lack of armor it fits their character, when I say I want hardsuits I mean when it made sense.

Believe it or not ashley's hair being down on duty is actually quite important in defining her character (probably more so than armor), its imporant for many characters. Its the same with jack, same with kaiden, same with grunt. Jack gaining hair is a sign of change (maturity according to devs), grunts small and fused plates (quite different from wrex's and other krogan) is a sign of his youth , and I am sure eyebrows would be raised if kaiden grew out his hair and left it untied, just like complaints are being raised about ashley having her hair down in the battlefield.

Luckily we were promised helmets, and I am stuffing her in one until she learns proper protocol. We are fighting a damn genocide from god machines, and if I can't count on ashley to soldier up she stays on the ship.

All I see is a lot of  'me me me!' in that post, just what you want.  You seem to be forgetting that Ash is a Spectre, she doesn't have to follow military protocol.
I have no problem with characters changing hairstyles.

Enjoy your helmets. Hope Ash can breathe.

Not to sound crude but DUH. Its my opinion, also my family's. Once military, always military.

Also ash being a spectre does not suddenly erase a career as a marine. Its her life, her blood as we were so told and shown through interacting with her, and learning more about her home life.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 20 décembre 2011 - 03:49 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

To be fair, immediately after that FemShep gets the opportunity to put that batarian jackass in his place. DudeShep misses out on that content.

But no one ever makes BroShep feel uncomfortable about his gender...

[Obvakhi]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Obvakhi wrote...
All I see is a lot of  'me me me!' in that post, just what you want.  You seem to be forgetting that Ash is a Spectre, she doesn't have to follow military protocol.
I have no problem with characters changing hairstyles.

Enjoy your helmets. Hope Ash can breathe.

You're forgetting one thing though. Military protocol doesn't just exist for the lulz. There is a very practical reason why one would want either short hair or tied-back hair when deployed for extended periods of time in the field. I'll let you figure that one out on your own.

And how is that relevant to a video game? I think you should figure that out.

[AdmiralCheez]

Obvakhi wrote...

And how is that relevant to a video game? I think you should figure that out.

By that logic, they should all just fight naked.  With their fists.

Don't worry, the bullets can't hurt you.  Just a videogame.

[Takio]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

To be fair, immediately after that FemShep gets the opportunity to put that batarian jackass in his place. DudeShep misses out on that content.

But no one ever makes BroShep feel uncomfortable about his gender...

So... there should be man-hating Extremist Asari? 

[AdmiralCheez]

Takio wrote...

So... there should be man-hating Extremist Asari?

For fairness and balance, yes.

Have a dude hit on BroShep, too.  Because, you know, the Consort.  And Shiala.

[Obvakhi]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Obvakhi wrote...

And how is that relevant to a video game? I think you should figure that out.

By that logic, they should all just fight naked.  With their fists.

Don't worry, the bullets can't hurt you.  Just a videogame.

You could.
BUT That'd be a crappy video game....


From what I've seen, the majority that hate Ash's new look are either.
1. Female
2. Want realism down to the freakin bone