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IGN released an article that points a major flaw in the current direction of DA2


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Savber100

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Who would have guessed that even IGN had a major issue with Dragon Age 2? 

In the article, it basically reviews the year for RPGs: pc.ign.com/articles/121/1214804p1.html

A very interesting read indeed....

It kinda retreads on old grounds but with even IGN pointing this out, I really hope that Bioware can be more aware of the issues now.  

Thoughts?

NOTE: Keep in mind that the person that wrote this was different from the DA2 reviewer's who scored DA2 an "8.5".

Edit: Removed the text from the article. Please visit the site to read it as it is copyright material. Thanks. :devil:

Modifié par Savber100, 15 décembre 2011 - 05:08 .


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It gets things pretty spot on. In truth, the first few times I played through, I was frustrated at how short Act 3 is. By the 3rd playbthrough, I was just... tired by Act 3. I just wanted it to end. That to me speaks of a game experience that doesn't improve or stay satisfactory over time like ME1,2, DAO, Jade Empire, KOTOR, etc.

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Spot on, though the witcher 2 fellatio at the end was annoying.

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Very good, so it's not only disgruntled fans who wanted "Dragon Age Origins 2" that thought DA2 was a disappointment. What a surprise.

I still completely disagree with a lot of the article though. Especially when the author says that he likes unpredictability when in dialogue.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 15 décembre 2011 - 02:54 .


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Still disagree. I find DA2 a far more engaging experience than Origins.

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*cue obligatory "That dude just wanted more Origins 2.0" blah blah blah*

From the OP's post alone I agree with the article in its entirety, save for the Witcher 2 bit since I haven't yet played that game.

I need to find a decent computer and see if it's really that good of a game. I already know the VA sucks but supposedly the story is great.

Wait... time and place. DAII stuff, not the Witcher 2 stuff.

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"puts hands up*

I swear I didn't add that Witcher 2 dig at the end.

That said, I burst out laughing when I read it since it pretty much summed up my feelings between Dragon Age 2 and The Witcher 2 release.

Also Ethereal Writer, you might want to listen to the Polish VA instead... It;s pretty good.

That said, this isn't a Witcher 2 vs. Dragon Age 2 but an examination of what went wrong for Dragon Age 2 from a website that originally enjoyed DA2. Yes, the game wasn't "THE WORST GAME EVVVER" that many haters would love to say but the seemingly denial from EA/Bioware about the current direction of the FRANCHISE still needs to be addressed.

Which makes me wonder why EA would want to publish Amalur since it seems to be a reflection of DA:O with more old-school RPG elements than DA2 EVER had. Maybe its success will prompt Bioware to return the franchise to its roots.

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I thought TW2 voice acting was terrific. The VAing for Iorveth would have to be the best i've heard in a long time.

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Anyone who can talk about the Witcher2 without immediately demanding the heads of the developers on spikes, clearly shouldn't judge Rpgs. Not to mention his complaints basically boil down to "it sucks cuz plot wasnt HUEG ÄPIC", only slightly more elaborately phrased. Slightly.

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"Dragon Age 2 was a huge letdown."

I am shocked.

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I find it very interesting that all those reviewing mags and sites that originally praised DA2 to no end, suddenly feel that the game is disappointing. Where were they 9 months ago, when their timely reviews actually meant something to the prospective buyer?

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@Mr Fixit: the person writing this review isn't the same person who wrote the review that praised DAII.

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

@Mr Fixit: the person writing this review isn't the same person who wrote the review that praised DAII.


I realize that, of course. But it's curious how all the guys that got to review DA2 at launch were coincidentally those that enjoyed the game. Then, all of a sudden, after some time passed, some other reviewers started popping out of hiding painting a different picture.

Just an observation, that's allPosted Image

Modifié par Mr Fixit, 15 décembre 2011 - 07:45 .


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A pretty fair assessment. Although I don't feel DA2 was a letdown — mechanically, it's a huge step above Origins, and I prefer the voiced protagonist — I do feel it is too "mundane" for its own good. We traded away too much of the 'fantasy' aspect in the transition to DA2. We used to explore ancient ruins and fight monsters; now we brawl with street gangs and explore endless back alleys. The areas and enemies are all too repetitive. There are still fantastic elements to the story, but it's considerably muted in comparison to Origins.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 15 décembre 2011 - 08:07 .


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thats1evildude wrote...

A pretty fair assessment. Although I don't feel DA2 was a letdown — mechanically, it's a huge step above Origins, and I prefer the voiced protagonist — I do feel it is too "mundane" for its own good. We traded away too much of the 'fantasy' aspect in the transition to DA2. We used to explore ancient ruins and fight monsters; now we brawl with street gangs and explore endless back alleys. The areas and enemies are all too repetitive. There are still fantastic elements to the story, but it's considerably muted in comparison to Origins.


fantastic elements such as retarded and barely existent antagonists :innocent:

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Gibb_Shepard wrote...

I thought TW2 voice acting was terrific. The VAing for Iorveth would have to be the best i've heard in a long time.


That and Roche... Best character in a RPG for a long while. :P

The only VA that annoyed me was Triss. God... her voice almost made me want to leave her to the Nilfgaardians. :bandit:


Lithuasil wrote...

Anyone who can talk about the Witcher2 without immediately demanding the heads of the developers on spikes, clearly shouldn't judge Rpgs. Not to mention his complaints basically boil down to "it sucks cuz plot wasnt HUEG ÄPIC", only slightly more elaborately phrased. Slightly.


Wait what? 

To address your second point, I think you're generalizing his argument. He wasn't saying that the game's flaw was that DA2 wasn't "EPIC" but more the idea that it has been diluted and streamlined to the point that the franchise has lost its charm. It held your hand to the point that the game felt linear and dreary. Where was the freedom of choice? DA:O (while definitely not perfect) at least hinted the consequences of your actions etc and seem to give the promise of a good franchise with better improved RPGs continuing along the line of classic RPG games like Baldur's Gate 2.  Instead what we got was something entirely different. 

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alex90c wrote...
fantastic elements such as retarded and barely existent antagonists :innocent:


Yes, thank you for that nonsensical observation that had nothing to do with my actual point.

I was referring to "fantasy elements" like the Primeval Thaig and the quests that involved hunting down ancient demons. They're too lacking in this game. I had no issue with any of the antagonists from DA2.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 15 décembre 2011 - 08:38 .


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Plaintiff wrote...

Still disagree. I find DA2 a far more engaging experience than Origins.


Defie "engaging experience".

IF by that you mean bottun mashing...yes.

Also DA2 mechnics suck donkey balls (except for relationship mechanics).

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 15 décembre 2011 - 10:50 .


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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Still disagree. I find DA2 a far more engaging experience than Origins.


Defie "engaging experience".

IF by that you mean bottun mashing...yes

Oh please, as if Origins was any better in that regard. The reaction time was just slower.

I find the story to be more interesting than Origins. I find it, in fact, to be very different from most RPG storylines. Regardless of it's quality (which I think is very good, I find DA2 to be quite literary), I find it automatically more engrossing on that basis.

I find the characters to be more interesting, and wittier. I sometimes just walk around with specific party members just to hear the banter, which I never do with Origins. Their personal quests are also more involved, as is Hawke's interaction with them, even though it only occurs at specific times and places. In Origins, very little of what the characters had to say was plot-related and it took hours of clicking through a whole lot of irrelevent dialogue, most of which is only interesting the first time you hear it.

People complain about being railroaded into one specific outcome. I don't see how this is any different from Origins, where no matter what you do, the Archdemon is defeated.
 
"But the journey is what matters!" I hear you cry "You can change how you get there!". Yes, to a degree, you can, and you can do the same with DA2. In fact I'd argue that, if anything, DA2 had more choices. More choices in how you interact with party members, more choices in how you affect the outcome of minor quests. Keran and Feynriel in particular come to mind. I found gettting letters from the characters I helped to be far more rewarding than lousy epilogue slides (which were not worth waiting the whole game for, by the way), because the information was coming directly from the character's I'd helped, rather than some omnscient third-person, and I felt more connected to them as a result of that.

There is no shame in sticking to the formula and doing it well, which is what Origins did, but it feels very similar to other stories, it fulfills a lot of the same tropes, and there was a definite sense of deja vu. I'd seen a lot of it before. I won't deny that DA2 had its flaws, but it did something different, which is commendable in itself. And as far as I'm concerned, it mostly succeeded.

I prefer the faster, flashier combat and more vivid and stylised graphical style of DA2 as well, and I'll freely admit that, but they are secondary concerns. Making the classes more distinct and expanding skill progression options were also huge points in its favour, being that those were two of the bigger problems I had with Origins back when I was playing it the first time.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 15 décembre 2011 - 11:58 .


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Savber100 wrote...

Where was the freedom of choice? DA:O (while definitely not perfect) at least hinted the consequences of your actions etc and seem to give the promise of a good franchise with better improved RPGs continuing along the line of classic RPG games like Baldur's Gate 2.

BG2 had choices with consequence? There's lots of freedom of what to do in which order, but the main plot is very, very linear with - at least from my memory - no real choice/consequence to it. Aside from the thief/vampire choice in the middle of the game, that is, which honestly doesn't change the content you're playing much more than the mage/templar choice does in DA2.

I mean I love BG2 as much as the next person here, but really, everything was linear in that game. It's just you had like 500 linear threads you could continue at your leisure.

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 15 décembre 2011 - 11:13 .


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Bryy_Miller wrote...

Nobody ever uses that .gif right, and it always amuses me.


It's actually from the scene where Kane applauds his wife's poor performance on stage, correct?

If anything, it should be used to indicate derision.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 15 décembre 2011 - 11:33 .


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Savber100 wrote...

Thoughts?

NOTE: Keep in mind that the person that wrote this was different from the DA2 reviewer's who scored DA2 an "8.5". 


Big deal this is just more bandwagon jumping by sites trying to appear relevant. Its odious, I'd have more respect for a site that sticks to its original opinion whether positive or negative.

Modifié par Morroian, 15 décembre 2011 - 11:54 .


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Bryy_Miller wrote...

Nobody ever uses that .gif right, and it always amuses me.


ah but many people don't know what it means, they don't need to know, and removing it's context(since it doesn't need it), i used it well.;)

Modifié par csfteeeer, 15 décembre 2011 - 12:27 .