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[Blacklash93]

Some tweets from David Giader.

"Leliana isn't a Seeker at all. Why would you think she is?"

"If one is assuming that's a Seeker symbol, then sure. She was wearing the armor. Still not a Seeker. :)"

Sounds like they changed their minds at the last minute, honestly.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 15 décembre 2011 - 03:13 .

[Tommyspa]

We know that she is an agent of the divine, though no where did it ever say she was a seeker.

Modifié par Tommyspa, 15 décembre 2011 - 03:24 .

[Blacklash93]

Tommyspa wrote...

We know that she is an agent of the divine, though no where did it ever say she was a seeker.

Except at the end of DA2 where she was wearing Seeker armor and meeting with Cassandra.

[jlb524]

Tommyspa wrote...

We know that she is an agent of the divine, though no where did it ever say she was a seeker.

She was wearing their armor and chilling with Cassandra at the end so...most assumed that she was one.

[Tommyspa]

That you can't debate. However she is the right hand of the divine, which probably puts her above the seekers in rank. The armor could have simply been for protection. Hawke can wear armor of orders he is not a part of.

[jlb524]

She's the Divine's left hand. That would put her above the Seekers.

Leliana had her own armor for the Faith quest so I don't know why she'd wear Seeker armor just for the hell of it.

[Tommyspa]

Incognito? Would you really expect a person to wear unique armor if they are traveling with the seekers? It could be the armor for anyone who is part of the chantry now, note that the symbol is one of the chantry, not exclusive to the seekers IIRC. Look at Leliana's codex entries for DA2, none of them say anything about the seekers would they have simply forgotten that detail if she was a seeker?

Modifié par Tommyspa, 15 décembre 2011 - 03:46 .

[CrimsonZephyr]

Leliana? Leliana is DEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!!!!

[whykikyouwhy]

I'm just curious why we think that any new *revelation* is somehow evidence of the devs changing their minds. As I've stated in other threads (oddly enough, about Leliana), it's quite possible that the bard's story has been mapped out in some detail from the beginning, years ago. And what we have been shown thus far are just hints and glimpses - not the whole picture, just pieces.

As such, it may certainly *seem* that something new that appears to contradict or deviate from the previous pieces of information is a "change," but it may just be a different area of the larger picture. When we get all of the pieces and see the bigger picture for what it is, it may all make sense.

So, Leliana not being a Seeker does not surprise me. And it doesn't seem like some last minute change, imo.

[TEWR]

She's probably the Divine's personal bodyguard as well as her secret agent for all things Divine-y (as we know through the Faith quest). Maybe she's even acting as the temporary commander of the Seekers in that area, which might not make her one herself.

As for why she's wearing their armor, who knows. I don't know why Bioware would have her wear that armor though if they didn't want people to assume she was a Seeker. Granted Tommyspa makes a valid point about the PCs being able to wear armor of Orders they don't belong to, but still.

Maybe she's wearing it because it goes great with her shoes.

And Bioware, I am severely disappointed at the lack of "I am not a Seeker" sign hanging off of Leliana's back.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 15 décembre 2011 - 04:54 .

[snfonseka]

If Seekers can be considered as Special Forces then Leliana is from Special Activities Division.

[TEWR]

Didn't Witch Hunt make mention of a symbol the Seekers used in one of the Circle's books?

[Tommyspa]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Didn't Witch Hunt make mention of a symbol the Seekers used in one of the Circle's books?

This?

"The Holy Office of the Seekers - This heavy book is firmly locked with a Chantry seal. Scorch marks suggest  that someone tried opening this book to no avail. The illusive Seekers  guard their secrets well."

Modifié par Tommyspa, 15 décembre 2011 - 05:17 .

[TEWR]

While that deals with the Seekers, I don't think that's the one I was thinking of. I could've sworn there was one that talked about a symbol. About a sun-burst even or something.

[Tommyspa]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

While that deals with the Seekers, I don't think that's the one I was thinking of. I could've sworn there was one that talked about a symbol. About a sun-burst even or something.

I fired up witch hunt.

"Of Hammers and Witches: A History - This ancient Orlesian text dates from the Chantry's early days. Time and dust has weathered most of the ink, but from what you can make out, it  covers a war on the heretics of the old Imperium. Faded depictions of  men in robes tremble before figures bearing an ominous symbol of a black eye in a sunburst."

It was the only mention of a sunburst I could find.

Modifié par Tommyspa, 15 décembre 2011 - 05:28 .

[TEWR]

That's the one.

And oddly, isn't that the same symbol seen on Cassandra's armor?




As well as Leliana's



So I think it's clear this is the symbol of the Seekers. Still doesn't explain why Leliana is wearing it though.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 15 décembre 2011 - 05:35 .

[Tommyspa]

We need more info on these buggers and I so want Cassandra as a companion.  I think Leliana wears it because it is the coolest looking armor I've seen in DA yet. :happy:

Modifié par Tommyspa, 15 décembre 2011 - 05:57 .

[Dave of Canada]

Find it a bit odd that a high placing official in the Chantry who operates with Cassandra (who mentions having somebody at the party in MOTA, which is Leliana), wears the same armor as all of them and such isn't a seeker.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 15 décembre 2011 - 06:02 .

[Tommyspa]

Is it possible that could mean someone in direct service of the Divine rather than a seeker?

Modifié par Tommyspa, 15 décembre 2011 - 06:07 .

[TEWR]

Cassandra's Seekers are helping out the Divine, so having an agent on the inside could just mean someone who is also on the Divine's side.

edit: 'd

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 15 décembre 2011 - 06:08 .

[thats1evildude]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Find it a bit odd that a high placing official in the Chantry who operates with Cassandra (who mentions having somebody at the party in MOTA, which is Leliana), wears the same armor as all of them and such isn't a seeker.

Maybe she likes the uniform? 

Modifié par thats1evildude, 15 décembre 2011 - 06:35 .

[TEWR]

Like I said, Leliana noticed that the armor goes great with her shoes.

[whykikyouwhy]

Some possibilities to consider:

- She's posing as a Seeker, either at the Divine's request or on her own. She is a rogue, after all - an assassin well versed in The Game. She would know how to infiltrate.
- Cassandra and the upper brass of the Seekers know she is not one of theirs, but they need her (skills, background, connections, etc ??), and thus to better maintain a collective cover (and get the respect of the Seeker underlings), she's borrowing some armor.
- The Battledress of the Provocateur, her Chantry robes, or whatever else she was adventuring in is currently at the dry cleaners.

I don't see it as so odd that she would be wearing their uniform while working or traveling with them.

Modifié par whykikyouwhy, 15 décembre 2011 - 10:46 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Anyone want to take bets on Leliana dying or you being forced to kill her in DA3?

For some players, this would be round two of standing in front of her dead corpse...

[Forst1999]

One person among a group of seekers NOT wearing the same clothes would stand out. So i guess Leliana just doesn't want to attract attention, which fits her job description. But it really seemed like she was one of them.