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[Wulfram]

Perhaps it's the Divine's personal symbol - which the Seekers also wear, because they answer (or used to) answer directly to the Divine?

Modifié par Wulfram, 15 décembre 2011 - 01:19 .

[Jugo616]

The problem,I think, is that Seeker is not just an occupation. As I understand it is a class too. Some sort of very special templars or such. Therefore it would probbably require a special, possibly time consuming, training. It's not just a matter of the uniform IMO.

[Mr.House]

Leli is the left hand of the Divine, we know now that Cass is the Divines personal Seeker unit. It's possible Leli decided to wear a Seeker uniform so she did not cause a scene while getting info from Cass so she could tell Divine.

As to why people would think Leli is a Seeker, it's very possible that Gaider and the team did not know or want Leli in a Seeker uniform but in a unique uniform fit for the secret agent of the Divine but the rush nature of the game did not let this happen.

[TobiTobsen]

Leliana is probaby wearing the armor because it looks awesome! Even the Qunari know that ^^

[Gyrefalcon]

It may also have been so that Leliana could question other people while Cassandra was busy and have the authority of the Divine behind her. It could also be so that Leliana could continue the mission should something befall Cassandra. It might not be her "official" rank/skill but she may be getting honorary use of the armor while aiding the office.

[caradoc2000]

I thought Richard Cypher/Rahl was the Seeker.

[TheChris92]

caradoc2000 wrote...

I thought Richard Cypher/Rahl was the Seeker.

Roger Daltrey is The Seeker

[thats1evildude]

I'm pretty sure Will Stanton is the Seeker.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 15 décembre 2011 - 07:51 .

[Tommyspa]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Leliana is probaby wearing the armor because it looks awesome! Even the Qunari know that ^^

Is that fan art or is that actually from something? Cause it looks amazing.

[Herr Uhl]

Tommyspa wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Leliana is probaby wearing the armor because it looks awesome! Even the Qunari know that ^^

Is that fan art or is that actually from something? Cause it looks amazing.

It is from the strategy guide IIRC. So it is official.

[Tommyspa]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Tommyspa wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Leliana is probaby wearing the armor because it looks awesome! Even the Qunari know that ^^

Is that fan art or is that actually from something? Cause it looks amazing.

It is from the strategy guide IIRC. So it is official.

My wild fantasy of being a seeker and a kossith for DA3 just exploded.

[Brockololly]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
So I think it's clear this is the symbol of the Seekers. Still doesn't explain why Leliana is wearing it though.

Dave of Canada wrote...

Find it a bit odd that a high
placing official in the Chantry who operates with Cassandra (who
mentions having somebody at the party in MOTA, which is Leliana), wears
the same armor as all of them and such isn't a seeker.

Its more than likely yet another instance where in DA it seems the right hand isn't talking to the left- its just another disconnect in the story/lore and the actual implementation and gameplay.

Lack of attention to detail, a rush to get that cutscene done, not wanting to give her a different body type/outfit for the one scene- I don't know. It would be like if Alistair showed up as a Grey Warden, with other Grey Wardens, in Grey Warden armor, with the player knowing he has a history as a Warden and then saying he's not a Grey Warden.


I mean, come on- what was the point of Leliana in that scene if not to establish her as a Seeker working for the Chantry? Sometimes I just think that the writers aren't always thinking of what information the player actually has as opposed to what they know as writers. There is a disconnect there in what they've revealed and informed the player about via the game and the fact that they more than likely already know a whole hell of a lot more about the lore and world and how stories are going to go in the future.

Its just baffling to me as to why Gaider would even question why anyone would think Leliana wasn't a Seeker, at least after DA2. Sure, she might be the DIvine's BFF or whatever, but when she's dressed up in the same outfit as Cassandra and working with her at the end, well, come on- what conclusion were they trying to drive at in that scene if not the fact that Leliana was working with Cassandra as a Seeker?

Modifié par Brockololly, 16 décembre 2011 - 12:05 .

[Zjarcal]

Brockololly wrote...

Its more than likely yet another instance where in DA it seems the right hand isn't talking to the left- its just another disconnect in the story/lore and the actual implementation and gameplay.

Lack of attention to detail, a rush to get that cutscene done, not wanting to give her a different body type/outfit for the one scene- I don't know.

Yeah, similar to what was said about how the writers didn't know how blood mage was going to be a specialization, this was probably another consequence of the lack of comunication between the team due to the rushed nature of the game.

[TEWR]

Brockololly wrote...


I mean, come on- what was the point of Leliana in that scene if not to establish her as a Seeker working for the Chantry? Sometimes I just think that the writers aren't always thinking of what information the player actually has as opposed to what they know as writers. There is a disconnect there in what they've revealed and informed the player about via the game and the fact that they more than likely already know a whole hell of a lot more about the lore and world and how stories are going to go in the future.

Its just baffling to me as to why Gaider would even question why anyone would think Leliana wasn't a Seeker, at least after DA2. Sure, she might be the DIvine's BFF or whatever, but when she's dressed up in the same outfit as Cassandra and working with her at the end, well, come on- what conclusion were they trying to drive at in that scene if not the fact that Leliana was working with Cassandra as a Seeker?

I have to agree with this. We aren't privy to what goes through the writers' minds. Showing Leliana in the Seeker outfit -- especially when this is the first ever appearance of the Seekers themselves -- is going to make people think that Leliana is a Seeker. To wonder why people came to this conclusion is a bit mind-boggling.

There seems to be a disconnect between the players and the devs in terms of the world of Dragon Age, and another one between the devs themselves.

It just feels like they're winging it as they go along. At least that's the impression I've gotten.

Yeah, similar to what was said about how the writers didn't know how blood mage was going to be a specialization, this was probably another consequence of the lack of comunication between the team due to the rushed nature of the game.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I can't buy this line of thought. The game was specifically written about Mages and Templars, so of course blood mage was going to be a specialization available to the player. Most of the game deals with blood magic, so the devs should've known that blood mage was going to be a spec available to the players -- and by extension the Reaver class since it's also a form of blood magic -- in DAII.

Being a blood mage didn't even have any noticeability in Legacy which was almost entirely focused on blood magic.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 16 décembre 2011 - 12:59 .

[FaeQueenCory]

I mean, I agree that it is silly to be flabbergasted to think that people make the connection that she is a Seeker.... given how that armor has been used pretty much exclusively by the few Seekers we've seen.....

But that was just poor planning to not have other people in that armor, so I find it perfectly believable that she not being a Seeker isn't a revision or a retcon.

And does no one remember that the "Seeker symbol" everyone is hung on... is actually the Chantry's symbol for Go-er-the Maker??

Essentially, she's just in "Chantry Armor".

[Demx]

Tommyspa wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Tommyspa wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Leliana is probaby wearing the armor because it looks awesome! Even the Qunari know that ^^

Is that fan art or is that actually from something? Cause it looks amazing.

It is from the strategy guide IIRC. So it is official.

My wild fantasy of being a seeker and a kossith for DA3 just exploded.

If we go by DA2 you'll never get to explore those fantasies, you will be another human from Ferelden.

[CrimsonZephyr]

Siradix wrote...

Tommyspa wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Tommyspa wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Leliana is probaby wearing the armor because it looks awesome! Even the Qunari know that ^^

Is that fan art or is that actually from something? Cause it looks amazing.

It is from the strategy guide IIRC. So it is official.

My wild fantasy of being a seeker and a kossith for DA3 just exploded.

If we go by DA2 you'll never get to explore those fantasies, you will be another human from Ferelden.

Ferelden is the land of player characters. No need to play as some sissy Orlesian, or an ox-man.

[Heimdall]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Siradix wrote...

Tommyspa wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Tommyspa wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Leliana is probaby wearing the armor because it looks awesome! Even the Qunari know that ^^

Is that fan art or is that actually from something? Cause it looks amazing.

It is from the strategy guide IIRC. So it is official.

My wild fantasy of being a seeker and a kossith for DA3 just exploded.

If we go by DA2 you'll never get to explore those fantasies, you will be another human from Ferelden.

Ferelden is the land of player characters. No need to play as some sissy Orlesian, or an ox-man.

So I can play a female Kossith?  Great!

Anyway, I'm guess Leliana's wearing it for the sake of the authority it eminates.  The left hand of the divine doesn't wield much power, being secretive by her nature, nobody knows who she is.  The uniform lets people know she is a high ranking member of the Chantry.  Not useful when undercover, but possibly now it is.

[Urzon]

I think a part of it is to blend in with the other Seekers. In times of war, it is best not to stick out like a sore thumb in a group. If she was walking around with flashy Chantry robes in a group of heavily armored Seekers, that would points to her being the most important person and obvious target.

[Teddie Sage]

Leliana probably infiltrated the Order of the Seekers for some reason.

[Morroian]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I can't buy this line of thought. The game was specifically written about Mages and Templars, so of course blood mage was going to be a specialization available to the player. Most of the game deals with blood magic, so the devs should've known that blood mage was going to be a spec available to the players -- and by extension the Reaver class since it's also a form of blood magic -- in DAII.

Davidf Gaider explicitly admitted it why he would he falsely admit to something that casts Bioware and the devs in a bad light?

[TEWR]

Morroian wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I can't buy this line of thought. The game was specifically written about Mages and Templars, so of course blood mage was going to be a specialization available to the player. Most of the game deals with blood magic, so the devs should've known that blood mage was going to be a spec available to the players -- and by extension the Reaver class since it's also a form of blood magic -- in DAII.

Davidf Gaider explicitly admitted it why he would he falsely admit to something that casts Bioware and the devs in a bad light?

Why would he? I dunno.

All I know is that line of thought makes no sense given how DAII was being developed. With mages and Templars as one of the main focuses of the game. And we were going to be able to play as a Mage, with a mage sibling.

And blood mages were one of the key parts about DAII.


EDIT: Think about this. There were 6 mage specs in Origins-Awakening. Bioware removed the Keeper spec and gave it to Merrill.

Now we're at 5.

They felt the Shapeshifter was a bit of a useless spec IIRC and removed the Arcane Warrior for some other reason. One could think that the change in gameplay was done to make Mages their own sort of Arcane Warriors.

Though I don't remember the reason why Arcane Warrior was removed, but I'd like to see it again.

Anyway, now we're down to three: Blood Mage, Spirit Healer, Battlemage.

Out of those 3, which 2 have the most importance to DAII's plot?

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 16 décembre 2011 - 06:55 .

[SkittlesKat96]

I don't have a problem with this and I doubt the developers changed their minds but I think that was a bit of a weird thing for David Gaider to say.

Of course we would assume Leliana is a Seeker...she was wearing what we assume is the Seeker symbol and she stood out from all the soldiers she was standing with and she was standing next to and talking to Cassandra.

I guess though being the right hand of the divine still means she is somewhat important though, maybe more important/equally as important and powerful as a Seeker.

Also maybe that symbol is to do with the right hand of the divine or something. Or its just a general Chantry symbol of importance and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the Seekers.

In fact this actually makes sense, the Seekers seem like an elusive group with not too many members, why would there be dozens of Seekers standing there?

So yeah, I think we just kind of jumped to conclusions about Leliana being a Seeker (still though, its easy to assume.)

Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 16 décembre 2011 - 06:52 .

[Bayz]

What are the seekers anyway? Just weirdos who like to wear eyes in their robes. Like the Neverwinter Nine.

Anyway yet another retcon, hope this will be done more nicely...

[TEWR]

FaeQueenCory wrote...

And does no one remember that the "Seeker symbol" everyone is hung on... is actually the Chantry's symbol for Go-er-the Maker??

Essentially, she's just in "Chantry Armor".

no it isn't.

This is the symbol of the Maker:





This is the symbol of the Seekers of Truth: