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[Gabey5]

i have a feeling that they changed their minds midway through or she is still soem kind of agent, just not afull fledge seeker

Modifié par Gabey5, 18 décembre 2011 - 06:18 .

[Bayz]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

death animations aren't canon.

The only one that can be considered canon is the Ogre one, because that's an instance of gameplay reflecting lore. If you look at the Ogre codex, it says that Ogres should receive heavy wounds to either the heart or the head. The Warden and the companions end up doing both.

I know I was just remembering a post complaining about this that I had seen before. I didn't kill her in my canon play anyway so I am not as concerned on her being alive in my playthrough as I am in her being alive in other people's playthrough, then again BW said they have a reason for her not being dead, and not being a seeker...

She is a sneaky one, wouldn't be surprised if she said she is not Orlesian, female or human at all, she is probably some kind of evil species of oversized sentient Nugs bent on world domination. Kinda like V but in Nug instead of the reptiles.

True I remember that part of the Codex, and Duncan's awesome death, curious is that the animations doesn't always fire when you are fighting Ogres and that there are some Ogres that die just as well with Cone of Ice + Stone Fist combo at the end of the game anyway...

[Bayz]

d) Part of the oversized sentient nudge alliance. It is a known party...somewhere, ok I'll shut up.

Modifié par Bayz, 18 décembre 2011 - 03:43 .

[TEWR]

Sareth Cousland wrote...

I would like to believe that while Cassandra is an actual seeker, Leliana (who had very controversial beliefs in regard to the chantry in DA:O and was certainly no chantry loyalist) is a double agent for a) the Divine who turns out to be no chantry loyalist herself (improbable as she considers an Exalted March against Kirkwall), a yet unknown party or a party that we know but do not suspect, or c) herself.

you find out a bit about the Divine's -- and by extension Leliana's -- opinions, motivations, and allegiances in Asunder

[Ulicus]

While I was surprised to learn that she wasn't a Seeker, the fact remains that Leliana is sexy french catholic ginger Darth Vader.

So, really, I couldn't care less. She's awesome.

[Fast Jimmy]

Ulicus wrote...

While I was surprised to learn that she wasn't a Seeker, the fact remains that Leliana is sexy french catholic ginger Darth Vader.

So, really, I couldn't care less. She's awesome.

Is no one worried about the fact that Leliana was maybe around 25 at the time Origins started? I say 25, because she was an Orlesian bard for a number of years, was betrayed, then spent a number of OTHER years in the Chantry before joining the Wardens party. So to put her in her-mid 20's doesn't appear to be a major stretch for me.

So if she's 25 in Origins, then by the end of events in DA2, she would be 35. Which could very well mean by the time DA3 starts or ends, she could be at or over 40.

I'm not saying 40 is ancient old, or anything. But it is pretty old to be A) parading around in neckline exposing tops and combat-impractical leather skirts engaging in battle which, after 15 years of combat experience, would have resulted in a number of cosmetically scarring and functionally crippling injuries and C) still look like a fresh faced super model, despite that age and the harshness that accompanies decades of armed combat in a medieval age setting.

If DA2 and its ten year time span was done right, then we might have had more than cameos from previous characters and gotten their threads tied off nicely. Instead, it was almost a preview of DA3 instead of a game that conitnued or followed up on these stories.

So while Leliana may have been a hot, sexy, catholic ginger blah, blah, blah when she was in her mid-20's, by the time DA3 comes around, she may very well be in cougar territory. Again, not that 40 is impossible to still be attractive, but in a setting where there aren't such things as moisturizing creams, makeup concealer or a host of other skin care products designed to prevent/hide aging like we see in today's modern society, can we honestly expect Leliana (or Allistair, Zevran, or Morrigan, or the Warden) to remain youthful and good looking into these franchises? 

And since we never heard a peep from Wynne in DA2, should we just assume she is dead? Sorry, just tacked that one at the end here.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 19 décembre 2011 - 09:58 .

[TEWR]

DAO's toolset should give off what her age is, since Marethari is said to have been 108 in Origins. Which makes her 115 at her death.

And cosmetics have been used in our world for thousands of years. Some were deadly, some weren't. Not to mention you can clearly see the people of Thedas do wear makeup. Just look at Orana.

As for Wynne, she appears in Asunder. I won't give you any spoilers on her story though.

[Dave of Canada]

I'd say Leliana is late 30s, early 40s. Leliana's Song--which I'd place her at 20~ish--showed Leliana saving the City Elf's mother from captivity, which places her as a bit older than the Warden (Didn't the City Elf's mother die when they were young?). Years after, the Warden finally leaves home in theirs 20s (player decided but considering how some people refer to you as young, I doubt you're much older) and meets her.

I'd say quite a few years occured between these both events and then DA2 occurs giving her another ten years.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 19 décembre 2011 - 10:13 .

[csfteeeer]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'd say Leliana is late 30s, early 40s. Leliana's Song--which I'd place her at 20~ish--showed Leliana saving the City Elf's mother from captivity, which places her as a bit older than the Warden (Didn't the City Elf's mother die when they were young?). Years after, the Warden finally leaves home in theirs 20s (player decided but considering how some people refer to you as young, I doubt you're much older) and meets her.

The Ages between the Different Origins Varies.

[whykikyouwhy]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I'm not saying 40 is ancient old, or anything. But it is pretty old to be A) parading around in neckline exposing tops and combat-impractical leather skirts engaging in battle which, after 15 years of combat experience, would have resulted in a number of cosmetically scarring and functionally crippling injuries and C) still look like a fresh faced super model, despite that age and the harshness that accompanies decades of armed combat in a medieval age setting.

*ahem*

Some possibilities -

 - she's a phoenix
 - it's magic
 
As for older women "parading" around with exposed necklines, I'd like you to please consult Halle Berry (age 45), Rachel Weisz (age 41), Salma Hayek (age 45), and Helen Mirren (age 66). If RL could give us such fine examples of older women with wonderful skin and magnificent bodies (and I would wager a few of them do some of their own stunts), why couldn't Thedas boast a 40-something year old rogue who kicks *ss and looks good doing it?

Just something to ponder.

(And I didn't even use any older athletes as examples!)

[Tatinger]

Double Agent working for Tevinter.

[csfteeeer]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

 
As for older women "parading" around with exposed necklines, I'd like you to please consult Halle Berry (age 45), Rachel Weisz (age 41), Salma Hayek (age 45), and Helen Mirren (age 66). If RL could give us such fine examples of older women with wonderful skin and magnificent bodies (and I would wager a few of them do some of their own stunts), why couldn't Thedas boast a 40-something year old rogue who kicks *ss and looks good doing it?

[Ulicus]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

So while Leliana may have been a hot, sexy, catholic ginger blah, blah, blah when she was in her mid-20's, by the time DA3 comes around, she may very well be in cougar territory.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[Heimdall]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'd say Leliana is late 30s, early 40s. Leliana's Song--which I'd place her at 20~ish--showed Leliana saving the City Elf's mother from captivity, which places her as a bit older than the Warden (Didn't the City Elf's mother die when they were young?). Years after, the Warden finally leaves home in theirs 20s (player decided but considering how some people refer to you as young, I doubt you're much older) and meets her.

I'd say quite a few years occured between these both events and then DA2 occurs giving her another ten years.

I was under the impression that the city elf's mother died only a few years before the game.  So if she's twenty-ish then (I was given the impression of overly exuberant youth) then 23-25 would be a good bet for Origins which puts her in her thirties at the end of DA2.  I'm not sure DA3 will even need a time skip since DA2's final scene was the end of the 10 years but it was a few years before (I think it was year 7) that Act 3 concluded.  So she should still be in her thirties in DA3.

Besides' the age of the Warden does have a range, really it can be anywhere between 18-19 and mid twenties in some cases.

Anyway, som people just age really well *Shrugs*

[Wulfram]

Origins toolset puts her as 26.  Not Canon, but it makes sense to me

Modifié par Wulfram, 19 décembre 2011 - 03:03 .

[Nerevar-as]

She commented she was older than she looked, so I put her in her early 30s at least. But I guess that´s subject to change too.

[caradoc2000]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

So if she's 25 in Origins, then by the end of events in DA2, she would be 35. Which could very well mean by the time DA3 starts or ends, she could be at or over 40.

Nah. Look at Bart Simpson. He has been ten-years-old for almost 25 years.

[Heimdall]

Nerevar-as wrote...

She commented she was older than she looked, so I put her in her early 30s at least. But I guess that´s subject to change too.

She said she might be, and she sounded like she was just being coy, teasing the Warden for judging her age by her appearrance.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 19 décembre 2011 - 06:56 .

[thats1evildude]

By the end of DA2, I would say Leliana is in "puma" territory, but not a full-blown cougar.

[Esbatty]

thats1evildude wrote...

By the end of DA2, I would say Leliana is in "puma" territory, but not a full-blown cougar.

Templar #1: Did you see the Divine's Agent when she road into camp today?
Templar #2: Uhh - no. Could you describe her?
Templar #1: Hmm - alright. She has short, red hair. Kind of a quiet sing-song voice. Deep - uhh, eyes.
Templar #2: That could be almost any woman in Orlais.
Templar #1: She also kind of had this presence like ... uhhh - a big cat.
Templar #2: What, like a Puma?
Templar #1: Yeah, there ya go.

[Blacklash93]

I would suggest the possibility that the Seekers do not, in fact, have a uniform.

The Lord Seeker in Asunder is described as having the same armor.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 23 décembre 2011 - 01:19 .

[whykikyouwhy]

Blacklash93 wrote...

I would suggest the possibility that the Seekers do not, in fact, have a uniform.

The Lord Seeker in Asunder is described as having the same armor.

Having not read Asunder, I can't speak to the context of your comment.

However, having the same armor does not mean or imply a common uniform. The same armor could mean that folks shopped at one specific place, or are fond a specific smith's style of breastplate. Uniform implies an adopted (and sometimes unique) standard of dress, usually to denote office/position/organization.

[Blacklash93]

Then what is the symbol with the eye in the sunburst supposed to stand for, if not that of the Seeker?

[thats1evildude]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Then what is the symbol with the eye in the sunburst supposed to stand for, if not that of the Seeker?

The Maker. That is an old symbol of the Maker, before it was replaced by a sun within a circle.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 23 décembre 2011 - 03:02 .