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[Bayz]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

I find it funny, in a way, that Isabela doesn't seem to regret turning against Hawke during Night Terrors. She seems to only regret that she doesn't get her boat.

She would regret but...she's on a boat...she's on a boat, take a good hard look at her motherf...

Ok I know it was older than the I took an arrow in the knee but...

[yesikareyes]

Hawke's "saracastic" lines are a lot more entertaining to me when I use a female. Also, yeah some of my companions or annoying... oh wait that's just Anders. Boo hoo, and I thought I had him executed in Awakening.

[sylvanaerie]

yesikareyes wrote...

Hawke's "saracastic" lines are a lot more entertaining to me when I use a female. Also, yeah some of my companions or annoying... oh wait that's just Anders. Boo hoo, and I thought I had him executed in Awakening.

Yea I do prefer snarky female Hawke, though the male carries off his lines well enough I think she excels just a bit more. 
Both genders do well with Diplomatic, but I think Male carries off aggressive a bit better (at least it felt right when I did it with William, the female aggressive Hawke I made I couldn't even get out of the Blight in the prologue, I just wanted to strangle her).

[jlb524]

iOnlySignIn wrote...
Maybe Elves just don't empathize with Humans?

Do most humans empathize with elves?

iOnlySignIn wrote... 
That's a very good instance. I have no doubt that Merrill is a kind hearted person who cares about others. What I meant is that she often has genuine difficulty knowing exactly what other people feel. Or how to influence those feelings in a positive way. It's not her fault, but her weakness. The times when she's insensitive are not her choice.

There seems to be different ways to think of the word 'empathy'.

I think you want to say that Merrill is good with the kind that involves caring for the wellfare of others and being able to share their emotions (like sadness).

She's not so good at recognizing emotions in others.

[sylvanaerie]

iOnlySignIn wrote...


In fact I think the "Or with Falon'Din" comment is very heartwarming, unlike others who find it culturally insensitive. It's like Merrill considers Hawke, and Leandra by extension, one of the People instead of Shemlens. It's like if a Hindu friend tells me that my dead relative must have been reborn into a nice Brahmin family because of her good Karma, I'd be honored and solaced.

That's actually a very good line.  I kind of looked on the relationship with Merrill as "Hawke and his/her household become Merrill's clan" (my Hawke/Merrill fic ends with a line expressing this idea). 

Merrill with my Dierdre Hawke (One of 2 who got ninjamanced by the Dalish, William was the other).  Dierdre means "Sorrow" and i had intended to kill all her family and turn away the cousin in Act 3 and just chickened out.  I just can't kill the surviving sibling.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 19 décembre 2011 - 02:50 .

[TEWR]

You have a point. Aveline gives a more sensitive comment though, IIRC. I never heard that from Anders - that is so OOC. But I consider Merrill & Isabela's comments to be in character, if not tolerable.

I just don't really see it as anything out of place or insensitve, as it just seemed like a casual observation on something that was pertinent to finding Leandra and revealing a little bit about who had kidnapped her.

Almost like she said "This shrine must have some relevance to Leandra's kidnapper".

Just in Merrill speak

She says that when you investigate one of the objects lying around in the mansion. Maybe the first one? Just don't bring Anders along too. He tends to override Merrill's dialogue in many situations (and vice versa).

Is it the vials of blood? I've often had her say they were used in blood magic IIRC, but nothing like "Gascard studies rare artifacts like me."

Compare that to Isabela, who can shrewdly guess everyone's motives and emotions like any good Rogue, but blithely chooses to ignore them. I consider Isabela's comfort scene after Leandra's death to be the worst among all the companions (just watch it on YouTube if you haven't seen it, it's so bad it's hilarious). Anders' is the best, followed closely by Merrill's.

I've seen it. I actually like it as I see it as her saying some very deep and profound things, but she's struggling to admit that she genuinely cares for Hawke so she deflects the conversation by saying that Aveline cares for Hawke.

Because it's true. Family is about more than who has the same blood as you.

In fact I think the "Or with Falon'Din" comment is very heartwarming, unlike others who find it culturally insensitive. It's like Merrill considers Hawke, and Leandra by extension, one of the People instead of Shemlens. It's like if a Hindu friend tells me that my dead relative must have been reborn into a nice Brahmin family because of her good Karma, I'd be honored and solaced.

I agree. That's how I've always seen it.

jlb524 wrote...

She's not so good at recognizing emotions in others.

iOnlySignIn wrote....

That's a very good instance. I have no doubt that Merrill is a kind hearted person who cares about others. What I meant is that she often has genuine difficulty knowing exactly what other people feel. Or how to influence those feelings in a positive way. It's not her fault, but her weakness. The times when she's insensitive are not her choice.

I disagree. One need only look at her banter with the companions -- Anders as one example after Dissent -- where she's clearly able to recognize that the companions are troubled.


[*]Merrill: Are you all right?
[*]Anders: I nearly killed an innocent girl. How could I be all right?
[*]Merrill: I'm sorry.
[*]Anders: You're sorry? For me? This could be you! You could be the next monster threatening helpless girls!
[*]Merrill: Anders... There's no such thing as a good spirit. There never was.
[*]Merrill: All spirits are dangerous. I understood that. I'm sorry that you didn't.

[Rawgrim]

Isabela all the way. Merril is just some 12 year old anime-freak that belongs in jrpg.

[TEWR]

Merril is just some 12 year old anime-freak that belongs in jrpg.

Sten would like to have a word with you.

[ladyofpayne]

Anders. Because DA 2 woman is so bad.

[yesikareyes]

I chose Merrill in my playthrough right now! After I let my Hawke romance Tallis, I realized that he's into elves lol.

[hussey 92]

Do both, especially if your romancing Merrill. Flirting and casual sex boost Isabelle's approval rating

[Bardox9]

This is a question that hounds me every time I play DA2. In DA:O the choice for a male warden was clear. Morrigan (unless I play a dwarf then no LI. Just wrong.) Even on my first play through and before witch hunt. Leliana just never fits. I did a run through romancing her, but it didn't feel right... and as a LI she's kinda boring. She feels more like a little sister that a GF. Morrigan is exciting and complicated and you have to fight to make the relationship work. She's more interesting as a LI. DA2 choice between Merrill and Isabela is more difficult.

You can't help but love little Merrill. So cute and has baggage you have to help her work through, but if you have played through the DA:O dalish origin you can't help but notice Merrill as lost about 100 IQ points. I can't imagine her innocent and naive persona in DA2 isn't an act so that Hawke will feel sorry for her and protect her. Then there is the "forbidden love" factor. Hard to resist.

Isabela on the other hand is more exciting and adventurous. She's easy to sleep with, but more challenging to get a commitment from. Her struggles in DA2 are just more entertaining than Merrills. Once you do get Isabela to commit it feels more... sinsere than what happens with Merrill. And at the end when Hawke is reported to disappear, I prefer the idea of him sailing off to new adventures with Isabela in her new ship (if you got her the ship) instead of sneakng around the country side with Merrill looking for another Eluvian.

If you had the DA:O character creator in DA2 it would be easier, but being as you have to be human... I guess... Isabela... maybe??

[Face of Evil]

Honestly, the Merrill of DAO is kind of a cow. And I mean that in the un-likeable sense.

[Tynado X]

I've tried to recruit Isabela and I tried to find something in body as she said that.
Anyone know how to change that?

[LobselVith8]

Tynado X wrote...

I've tried to recruit Isabela and I tried to find something in body as she said that.
Anyone know how to change that?

You can find Isabela at the Hanged Man, after Anders has been recruited among your moiety crew. I'm not certain what else you're asking about, however. Could you clarify your second question?

[Tynado X]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Tynado X wrote...

I've tried to recruit Isabela and I tried to find something in body as she said that.
Anyone know how to change that?

You can find Isabela at the Hanged Man, after Anders has been recruited among your moiety crew. I'm not certain what else you're asking about, however. Could you clarify your second question?

Sorry my english isn't good. But thanks for answer. Thats all I needed to know.

[tmax1024]

Tynado X wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Tynado X wrote...

I've tried to recruit Isabela and I tried to find something in body as she said that.
Anyone know how to change that?

You can find Isabela at the Hanged Man, after Anders has been recruited among your moiety crew. I'm not certain what else you're asking about, however. Could you clarify your second question?

Sorry my english isn't good. But thanks for answer. Thats all I needed to know.

You mean you can't recuit her because it's bug?

[Tynado X]

tmax1024 wrote...

Tynado X wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Tynado X wrote...

I've tried to recruit Isabela and I tried to find something in body as she said that.
Anyone know how to change that?

You can find Isabela at the Hanged Man, after Anders has been recruited among your moiety crew. I'm not certain what else you're asking about, however. Could you clarify your second question?

Sorry my english isn't good. But thanks for answer. Thats all I needed to know.

You mean you can't recuit her because it's bug?

Yes, thats what I mean. How can I get her?

[tmax1024]

Tynado X wrote...

tmax1024 wrote...

Tynado X wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Tynado X wrote...

I've tried to recruit Isabela and I tried to find something in body as she said that.
Anyone know how to change that?

You can find Isabela at the Hanged Man, after Anders has been recruited among your moiety crew. I'm not certain what else you're asking about, however. Could you clarify your second question?

Sorry my english isn't good. But thanks for answer. Thats all I needed to know.

You mean you can't recuit her because it's bug?

Yes, thats what I mean. How can I get her?

I hate to say that you have to go last save load and meet her again and it should be not bug again.

[Tynado X]

tmax1024 wrote...

Tynado X wrote...

tmax1024 wrote...

Tynado X wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Tynado X wrote...

I've tried to recruit Isabela and I tried to find something in body as she said that.
Anyone know how to change that?

You can find Isabela at the Hanged Man, after Anders has been recruited among your moiety crew. I'm not certain what else you're asking about, however. Could you clarify your second question?

Sorry my english isn't good. But thanks for answer. Thats all I needed to know.

You mean you can't recuit her because it's bug?

Yes, thats what I mean. How can I get her?

I hate to say that you have to go last save load and meet her again and it should be not bug again.

Alright thank you.

[Tynado X]

Tynado X wrote...

tmax1024 wrote...

Tynado X wrote...

tmax1024 wrote...

Tynado X wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Tynado X wrote...

I've tried to recruit Isabela and I tried to find something in body as she said that.
Anyone know how to change that?

You can find Isabela at the Hanged Man, after Anders has been recruited among your moiety crew. I'm not certain what else you're asking about, however. Could you clarify your second question?

Sorry my english isn't good. But thanks for answer. Thats all I needed to know.

You mean you can't recuit her because it's bug?

Yes, thats what I mean. How can I get her?

I hate to say that you have to go last save load and meet her again and it should be not bug again.

Alright thank you.

It worked! Thank you again!

[tmax1024]

Tynado X wrote...

Tynado X wrote...

tmax1024 wrote...

Tynado X wrote...

tmax1024 wrote...

Tynado X wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Tynado X wrote...

I've tried to recruit Isabela and I tried to find something in body as she said that.
Anyone know how to change that?

You can find Isabela at the Hanged Man, after Anders has been recruited among your moiety crew. I'm not certain what else you're asking about, however. Could you clarify your second question?

Sorry my english isn't good. But thanks for answer. Thats all I needed to know.

You mean you can't recuit her because it's bug?

Yes, thats what I mean. How can I get her?

I hate to say that you have to go last save load and meet her again and it should be not bug again.

Alright thank you.

It worked! Thank you again!

Yeah, no problem.