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[Spartanburger]

At an individual level (individual as in considering each game as the one and only and ignoring the sequels):

ME1 could be considered better on the PC as (IIRC) the engine was cleaned up so that it had less FPS drop issues and texture pop-in than the console version. Considering the amount that it has anyway, the improvements may not be that high. Also: PCs will be able to handle the ultra settings and extended resolutions well above the 1280x720 of the console.

ME2 has very little difference. The main thing I noticed on the xbox version was that it had some sort of AA that gave things strange outlines when the screen was blurred. The PC did not and the PC version also does not have the ultra settings the first game had. The engine for both platforms was greatly improved, so both should run smoothly, but just as with ME1, you'll have to deal with a mere 1280x720 resolution on consoles. The PC version also has the ability to use texture mods that can make things look vastly better than they were originally. The PS3 version seems to run at a higher resolution than it's Xbox counterpart though, but there are trade offs. While the PS3 may also offer more FPS, there were some graphical things that were clearly worse than the Xbox version.

ME3 is probably going to be much like ME2.

Now if you bring the games together as a whole series then the PS3 automatically ops out because of the lack of ME1.

So we are left with two choices: PC or Xbox.

The PC version will be able to offer you greater graphics, resolutions, fps (up to 60 unless the 'forcedvsync' crap is removed) and offer mod support. The Xbox version will guarantee that you can run it.


Considering that for twice the price of an xbox you can get a PC that runs ME2 4.5 times as well as the xbox (based on fps and resolution alone) PC is the obvious choice if you are looking for graphics.


But what really matters is controls. Play the demos of ME2 on console and on PC. Whichever one you prefer for controls is the one you should get it for.
Personally, I cannot stand the (listed in greatest offence to least) Xbox controls, the lower FPS, and the lower resolution. Those issues may not pop up for other users though.
And it should also be noted that, if you have a game controller for PC you can play ME2 on the PC with the PCs settings but with the Xbox control scheme if you prefer the console control but desire the PC looks.

[Fredvdp]

GamerJ wrote...

u download saves from someone else and use it
u can mod it
u can put cheats in it

Mass Effect modding is limited. Save file modding and sharing is possible with Xbox 360 files.

Spartanburger wrote...

And it should also be noted that,
if you have a game controller for PC you can play ME2 on the PC with the
PCs settings but with the Xbox control scheme if you prefer the console
control but desire the PC looks.

The controller tweaks for ME2 are pretty poor and don't really work in menus including the power wheel (which doesn't exist in the PC version). I agree with your other points.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 15 décembre 2011 - 11:25 .

[didymos1120]

firefireblow wrote...

PC version of ME2 had the best glitches. I had Tim stare at me throguth the roof during the SM oh it was crepply perfect.

That's not a glitch.  It's just part of how holograms like that work.  If you use flycam, you'll see something similar outside all the levels anytime one is being drawn.  The problem is, they forgot to block that line of sight with some opaque object, and thus Ceiling TIM was born.

[firefireblow]

didymos1120 wrote...

firefireblow wrote...

PC version of ME2 had the best glitches. I had Tim stare at me throguth the roof during the SM oh it was crepply perfect.

That's not a glitch.  It's just part of how holograms like that work.  If you use flycam, you'll see something similar outside all the levels anytime one is being drawn.  The problem is, they forgot to block that line of sight with some opaque object, and thus Ceiling TIM was born.

But still liked the moment made it feel even more creepy.

[Darth_Trethon]

Fredvdp wrote...

GamerJ wrote...

u download saves from someone else and use it
u can mod it
u can put cheats in it

Mass Effect modding is limited. Save file modding and sharing is possible with Xbox 360 files.

The rest of his post clealy screamed troll...please don't feed it. Facts will not get through to it.

[Darth_Trethon]

Spartanburger wrote...

At an individual level (individual as in considering each game as the one and only and ignoring the sequels):

ME1 could be considered better on the PC as (IIRC) the engine was cleaned up so that it had less FPS drop issues and texture pop-in than the console version. Considering the amount that it has anyway, the improvements may not be that high. Also: PCs will be able to handle the ultra settings and extended resolutions well above the 1280x720 of the console.

ME2 has very little difference. The main thing I noticed on the xbox version was that it had some sort of AA that gave things strange outlines when the screen was blurred. The PC did not and the PC version also does not have the ultra settings the first game had. The engine for both platforms was greatly improved, so both should run smoothly, but just as with ME1, you'll have to deal with a mere 1280x720 resolution on consoles. The PC version also has the ability to use texture mods that can make things look vastly better than they were originally. The PS3 version seems to run at a higher resolution than it's Xbox counterpart though, but there are trade offs. While the PS3 may also offer more FPS, there were some graphical things that were clearly worse than the Xbox version.

ME3 is probably going to be much like ME2.

Now if you bring the games together as a whole series then the PS3 automatically ops out because of the lack of ME1.

So we are left with two choices: PC or Xbox.

The PC version will be able to offer you greater graphics, resolutions, fps (up to 60 unless the 'forcedvsync' crap is removed) and offer mod support. The Xbox version will guarantee that you can run it.


Considering that for twice the price of an xbox you can get a PC that runs ME2 4.5 times as well as the xbox (based on fps and resolution alone) PC is the obvious choice if you are looking for graphics.


But what really matters is controls. Play the demos of ME2 on console and on PC. Whichever one you prefer for controls is the one you should get it for.
Personally, I cannot stand the (listed in greatest offence to least) Xbox controls, the lower FPS, and the lower resolution. Those issues may not pop up for other users though.
And it should also be noted that, if you have a game controller for PC you can play ME2 on the PC with the PCs settings but with the Xbox control scheme if you prefer the console control but desire the PC looks.

PC is great and I was going to play the series on PC as well but I think that at the moment the all important thing is that we, the customers, force EA to change or shut down Origin Aside from that the controlls feel a lot better for me with a controller and I never noticed the FPS and texture differences as being that great or even noticeable for the most part. Once the movements look smooth you can increase the FPS to infinity and not notice a difference....I have never had a framerate drop to noticeable levels on the 360. As far as textures go yes you can keep brightening the colors and polishing the details but the 360 version looks absolutely great to me on my 1080p tv.....especially ME2 has been very well polished and I've always been surprised at how good it looks. I don't see the PC adding that great of an improvement to what is already there no matter how much you amp up the resolution.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 15 décembre 2011 - 11:41 .

[cactusberry]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

TheDarkRats wrote...

I prefer Xbox 360 because I like my Xbox 360 version. PC doesn't feel as natural to me as it does on the Xbox 360.

There is no "best" platform, regardless of what people say. It all comes down to personal opinion.

I beg to disagree....as a fan of the franchise going for a platform than doesn't have ME1 is a preposterous concept to me, PC would be great except EA wants to spy on every aspect of my life and has no hesitation about demanding that I install spyware in order to play a game I already paid for...both of those should be major concerns every single Mass Effect fan. I was fully intending to buy all 3 games for PC as well since I love them on 360 but EA's actions have shut that desire right out of the sky.

"In my opinion, chocolate (PS3) is the best icecream!"
"No, you're wrong. Your opinion is wrong! Strawberry (PC) and vanilla (Xbox 360) are the best flavors!"

Like I said. There is no "best." There is the best for YOU, but it all comes down to personal opinion. You can't say one thing is better just because YOU like it better.

[Fredvdp]

The PLC wrote...

GamerJ wrote...
blah blah blah..
xbox and ps3 are just for kids who cant afford a good gaming pc (A) =-p
so pc ftw :-D

And PC are for people who has nothing better to do than optimizing their system every few months to be able to play a videogame. 

I sense this thread will be locked soon.

Can't we discuss the superiority of a gaming platform like civilized people?

[Spartanburger]

The PLC wrote...
And PC are for people who has nothing better to do than optimizing their system every few months to be able to play a videogame. 

First off, don't feed the trolls.

Secondly, anyone who actually knows how to buy and build a system of their own won't have to even consider upgrading for at least two years. This is especially true as long as console tech remains constant, making the increase in performance demand over the years vastly smaller than it would be without. It can be said that it is thanks to consoles that PC gaming is affordable but I won't get into that.

Thirdly, upgrading would only be required for those who like to run their games at the max or close to the max anyway. They could make their tech last half a decade if they ran it at the same settings and resolution as consoles.

And this is all pointless to the main topic anyway.
Considering that all versions are so similar (except for the smaller resolutions on the console which are easy to get used to even as a hyper-res gamer like myself) the main factors would be price and how it controls.
If his PC can run them, then fine. PC.
If his PC can run them, but he prefers the Xbox controls, then either go with the Xbox or get a PC version of the xbox controler.
If his PC can't run it either buy one (if he prefers the control scheme and has the cash) or just get it on the console.

That's what it really comes down to. What platform feels the most comfortable to control. Not how well it runs on your system of choice.

[Haristo]

the original support : Xbox 360.

most of the game has been created to be an Xbox title, including gamepad wise controls and radial smart menus. the PC versions does look better than the Xbox versions but their controls are... less adapted. even though I'm one of those who prefer to play a shooter on PC, I must say Mass Effect is made for the Xbox.

plus ME3 will require Origin and we all know how crappy this system is.

then you could say : ''play it on PS3 then''. NOPE ! don't do that. first of all the first game is NOT on PS3 and Mass Effect is all about story and continuity, missing the first game is a massive error. since you need your savefile to continue your personnal story in the next chapter, you MUST play on a platform who has all three games. which means anything BUT the PS3.

[yesikareyes]

First of all, I'm a girl but it's alright and secondly! I didn't meant to cause this console feud. I was just asking if it would be best to play Mass Effect on another platform since I'm going to start all over again. I have DLCs for Dragon Age both in my Mac and 360, so yeah I'm pretty much open to anything but seeing most opinions here. I think I'm going with the 360 based on what people advised me. One because it's practical and two I'll probably regret it when ME3 comes out and a small decision in ME1 merits a memorable scene. Yet I could have also opted for PC if only Bioware released ME for Mac (Yes, I would spend for DLCs again because DA Origins showed me how fun it is to play RPG games on a computer plus mods galore!).

Modifié par yesikareyes, 15 décembre 2011 - 11:54 .

[cactusberry]

yesikareyes wrote...

First of all, I'm a girl but it's alright and secondly! I didn't meant to cause this console feud. I was just asking if it would be best to play Mass Effect on another platform since I'm going to start all over again. I have DLCs for Dragon Age both in my Mac and 360, so yeah I'm pretty much open to anything but seeing most opinions here. I think I'm going with the 360 based on what people advised me. One because it's practical and two I'll probably regret it when ME3 comes out and a small decision in ME1 merits a memorable scene. Yet I could have also opted for PC if only Bioware released ME for Mac (Yes, I would spend for DLCs again because DA Origins showed me how fun it is to play RPG games on a computer plus mods galore!).

You didn't know that mentioning two or more platforms in one topic starts a console war?

[DiebytheSword]

The PLC wrote...

Make a stupid dumb comment like GamerJ, and you'll get a dumb comment in return. Not trying to derail the thread, but... really. That one was just too dumb to ignore.

I'm a PC gamer and I agree with you on this.  PC is superior hardware, console is superior convenience.  Neither really deserves chest pounding or rabid fandom.

[DiebytheSword]

yesikareyes wrote...

First of all, I'm a girl but it's alright and secondly! I didn't meant to cause this console feud. I was just asking if it would be best to play Mass Effect on another platform since I'm going to start all over again. I have DLCs for Dragon Age both in my Mac and 360, so yeah I'm pretty much open to anything but seeing most opinions here. I think I'm going with the 360 based on what people advised me. One because it's practical and two I'll probably regret it when ME3 comes out and a small decision in ME1 merits a memorable scene. Yet I could have also opted for PC if only Bioware released ME for Mac (Yes, I would spend for DLCs again because DA Origins showed me how fun it is to play RPG games on a computer plus mods galore!).

You don't need to run PC software natively in OSX to enjoy it, can you run ME in a simulated windows enviroment, like wineskin?

[yesikareyes]

TheDarkRats wrote...

You didn't know that mentioning two or more platforms in one topic starts a console war?

Well, I thought people would just give comments on the difference between graphics and if there is an edition in either
that has all the DLCs and is it worth it. Plus, other stuff if genesis was a really a crappy alternative to playing ME1.

[Haristo]

DiebytheSword wrote...

I'm a PC gamer and I agree with you on this.  PC is superior hardware, console is superior convenience.  Neither really deserves chest pounding or rabid fandom.

totally agree with the fact that PC is superiour Hardware... hell, I wouldn't buy a 2000 bucks PC if this sucker's not better than my 200 bucks Xbox 360... but Mass Effect is born on consoles and a load of game design has been made controller-wise instead of adapted for a keyboard.

and I don't care about graphics, so the XBOX version wins IMO.  (I do own a PS3 but NEVER would I play Mass Effect on it... it does everything but NOT Mass Effect nor any kind of third party multiplatform shooter) 

[yesikareyes]

DiebytheSword wrote...

You don't need to run PC software natively in OSX to enjoy it, can you run ME in a simulated windows enviroment, like wineskin?

What do you mean?

[Spartanburger]

Darth_Trethon wrote...
Once the movements look smooth you can increase the FPS to infinity and not notice a difference....I have never had a framerate drop to noticeable levels on the 360. As far as textures go yes you can keep brightening the colors and polishing the details but the 360 version looks absolutely great to me on my 1080p tv.....especially ME2 has been very well polished and I've always been surprised at how good it looks. I don't see the PC adding that great of an improvement to what is already there no matter how much you amp up the resolution.

Well, the human eye can see in excess of 200fps. Many gamers (at least, all of the ones I know in real life) can tell the difference between 30 fps (console) and 60 fps (PC, if it can run it). Of course, once you reach around 60 the differences in fps become so small that they really aren't needed. In short, there is a difference in the fps for PC and console. A big one, and many people have issues with it. But those who are used to a specific level of FPS react differently. I tried the Xbox version once. Coming from a straight 60 fps to a straight 30 fps was extremely jarring and I could hardly survive on normal (this is coming from someone who did Insanity as an Adept and can count the number of deaths on his fingers). Given time I have no doubt that I'd get used to it, but once you get used to 60, it's hard to go back.

As for textures, the improvements that many fans, both console and PC, ask for are not simply brightening but completely re-detailing it so that not only does the texture look fantastic, but the bump-map detail is also improved making cloth actually look like cloth. These improvements are possible with fan-made mods on the PC (These textures can be up to and in excess of 8000x8000 pixels. Try getting all the detail of that out of a 1080p screen.) and through official ones for the console. From what we've seen of ME3 through, the texture detail has massively improved, although the latest trailer was from the PC version.

And ME2 still surprises me too (sure it's not the constant jaw-to-the-floor looks of Crysis but it still looks damn good and ME3 a improvement even on that). But on a console, you're only really seeing 1280x720 resolution that has been upscaled for the 1080p monitor. It will look different from the 1080p from a PC.

But what matters most in a game is not its looks (unless the entire point of the game is to show off graphics).
What matters most when deciding which platform is how it plays.
The 30 fps that a console provides, although not ideal for those used to PC framerates, is definitely playable (I'd argue that anything over 20 is playable, if a little more difficultly).
In the end it only comes down to controls and whether or not you currently own the device you plan to play on.

PCs, with the use of the PC version of the Xbox controller, can emulate the controls of a console. So it really comes down to a few main things:
If you have friends you want to play MP with, it will be desirable to get the platform version that they will be using. And then there is cost. With new consoles just over the horizon, you either pay a little now and a ton later, or a medium amount now and a medium amount later. But, that is price extrapolation and anyone who has taken a stat class will tell you just how unreliable extrapolation is so right now future price is a little hard to judge. Also, if one is not very tech oriented and/or does not want to much with tech then the clear choice is console because PCs WILL have problems. I enjoy finding and fixing the problems so they don't bother me but for others it would be a huge issue.

In the end, a safe bet would be to go with the console version. It'll be playable, still look good, and not cost very much.

[Spartanburger]

DiebytheSword wrote...
PC is superior hardware, console is superior convenience.  Neither really deserves chest pounding or rabid fandom.

Faith in humanity: restored.

[robarcool]

Lots of funny comments on this thread! (Not that mine is one of them!)

[Northernian]

I don't think my PC could handle ME3's improved graphics and memory requirements. On top of that I use laptop, and optimisation is very limited. So I will shift to Xbox to have a smooth ME3 experience. Cheaper than updating the VGA card or CPU.

[Gterror]

I wonder if Radeon HD 6450 will be good enough VGA card for ME3 to run even highest settings?

[robarcool]

Gterror wrote...

I wonder if Radeon HD 6450 will be good enough VGA card for ME3 to run even highest settings?

No. Unless you are comfortable with sub 30 FPS.