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[Ghost Lightning]

Skyrim of course.

[DeathDragon185]

Deus Ex Human Revolution.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

Skyrim... boring with a horrendous leveling system and lack of role playing--I feel as though I'm just a tourist like in Fallout: 3--Bethesda doesn't know how to make RPGs, but the soundtrack is awesome. It's an average game just like Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Mine goes to Dark Souls. I've played over three different characters, and all of the different classes play differently even though you can potentially use any class for any class. Smooth gameplay, and with the new patch, better online play.

[RPGamer13]

Final Fantasy IV The Complete Collection

Some times I don't feel like playing any games and feel horrible about it. At such one time, this game gave me something to play. I've been playing for two weeks and almost completely finished with all 3 games included.

[Gatt9]

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

Skyrim... boring with a horrendous leveling system and lack of role playing--I feel as though I'm just a tourist like in Fallout: 3--Bethesda doesn't know how to make RPGs, but the soundtrack is awesome. It's an average game just like Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Mine goes to Dark Souls. I've played over three different characters, and all of the different classes play differently even though you can potentially use any class for any class. Smooth gameplay, and with the new patch, better online play.

I agree with you,  Dark Souls,  then LA Noire for trying something different.

I also agree with your assessment of Bethseda,  but in the immortal words of someone describing Fallout 3,  "Bethseda doesn't make RPG's,  Bethseda makes games for people who hate RPG's but want to pretend they play them".

Plus,  considering the PS3 debacle,  I'd consider it an embarassment to gaming to give GotY to a game so badly bugridden weeks after release that one whole platform is completely hosed.  10 years ago the game would've gotten a 3/10 by every reviewer for it,  so much for integrity of the press...

[Rockworm503]

Gatt9 wrote...

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

Skyrim... boring with a horrendous leveling system and lack of role playing--I feel as though I'm just a tourist like in Fallout: 3--Bethesda doesn't know how to make RPGs, but the soundtrack is awesome. It's an average game just like Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Mine goes to Dark Souls. I've played over three different characters, and all of the different classes play differently even though you can potentially use any class for any class. Smooth gameplay, and with the new patch, better online play.

I agree with you,  Dark Souls,  then LA Noire for trying something different.

I also agree with your assessment of Bethseda,  but in the immortal words of someone describing Fallout 3,  "Bethseda doesn't make RPG's,  Bethseda makes games for people who hate RPG's but want to pretend they play them".

Plus,  considering the PS3 debacle,  I'd consider it an embarassment to gaming to give GotY to a game so badly bugridden weeks after release that one whole platform is completely hosed.  10 years ago the game would've gotten a 3/10 by every reviewer for it,  so much for integrity of the press...

How about getting off your high horse?  If I hate RPGs its because people like you flat out raping the label to a point where RPG is nothing more than an insult.
If Skyrim isn't an RPG than that can only be a good thing now.
Seriously Gatt your whole attitude every time I see one of your posts screams "the only good game ever made was Baldurs gate" or some other drivel.

[Tommy6860]

Gatt9 wrote...

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

Skyrim... boring with a horrendous leveling system and lack of role playing--I feel as though I'm just a tourist like in Fallout: 3--Bethesda doesn't know how to make RPGs, but the soundtrack is awesome. It's an average game just like Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Mine goes to Dark Souls. I've played over three different characters, and all of the different classes play differently even though you can potentially use any class for any class. Smooth gameplay, and with the new patch, better online play.

I agree with you,  Dark Souls,  then LA Noire for trying something different.

I also agree with your assessment of Bethseda,  but in the immortal words of someone describing Fallout 3,  "Bethseda doesn't make RPG's,  Bethseda makes games for people who hate RPG's but want to pretend they play them".

Plus,  considering the PS3 debacle,  I'd consider it an embarassment to gaming to give GotY to a game so badly bugridden weeks after release that one whole platform is completely hosed.  10 years ago the game would've gotten a 3/10 by every reviewer for it,  so much for integrity of the press...

Seriously, you really need to get over the hate of Bethesda (or any studio for that matter) while quoting "hate" comments. Skyrim,  is nothing like the older TES games (or the like) before Oblivion that I prefer for my taste in RP'ing. IMO, Skyrim did bring back a lot of role paying that was near absent in Oblivion and a lot more dialogue. But, IMO, Skyrim still falls short of Morrowind and both Morrowind and Skyrim fall way off the map for role playing when compared to Daggerfall. In all honesty, most developers (outside of the small indy types) have gotten away from traditional RP'ing game style from yore, but to say they "hate", that's just immature.

I wouild put Daggerfall up against some the greatest of any RPGs ever created, though it isn't my all time favorite.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 17 décembre 2011 - 08:38 .

[Tommy6860]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

Skyrim... boring with a horrendous leveling system and lack of role playing--I feel as though I'm just a tourist like in Fallout: 3--Bethesda doesn't know how to make RPGs, but the soundtrack is awesome. It's an average game just like Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Mine goes to Dark Souls. I've played over three different characters, and all of the different classes play differently even though you can potentially use any class for any class. Smooth gameplay, and with the new patch, better online play.

I agree with you,  Dark Souls,  then LA Noire for trying something different.

I also agree with your assessment of Bethseda,  but in the immortal words of someone describing Fallout 3,  "Bethseda doesn't make RPG's,  Bethseda makes games for people who hate RPG's but want to pretend they play them".

Plus,  considering the PS3 debacle,  I'd consider it an embarassment to gaming to give GotY to a game so badly bugridden weeks after release that one whole platform is completely hosed.  10 years ago the game would've gotten a 3/10 by every reviewer for it,  so much for integrity of the press...

How about getting off your high horse?  If I hate RPGs its because people like you flat out raping the label to a point where RPG is nothing more than an insult.
If Skyrim isn't an RPG than that can only be a good thing now.
Seriously Gatt your whole attitude every time I see one of your posts screams "the only good game ever made was Baldurs gate" or some other drivel.

Well, while I really do not like the constant "hate" comments regarding Beth from Gatt (that's the only developer he seems to go afteras has been made plain by him for a long time now), BG is still my favorite all time Bioware RPG with maybe DA:O being in a tie with it. IMO, I woldn't hold Skyrim in the same breath as BG.

[Tommy6860]

Well, I guess it does/will win GOTY, but what other competition does it have for 2011. I really do not like awards like these, they only serve the publisher/developer for accolades that can be placed on the packaging for promotional purposes. It really means little else otusideof that for many gamers.

Ever look at a package of DA2, and see few high scoring reviews that were put on its packaging?

[Rockworm503]

Tommy6860 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

Skyrim... boring with a horrendous leveling system and lack of role playing--I feel as though I'm just a tourist like in Fallout: 3--Bethesda doesn't know how to make RPGs, but the soundtrack is awesome. It's an average game just like Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Mine goes to Dark Souls. I've played over three different characters, and all of the different classes play differently even though you can potentially use any class for any class. Smooth gameplay, and with the new patch, better online play.

I agree with you,  Dark Souls,  then LA Noire for trying something different.

I also agree with your assessment of Bethseda,  but in the immortal words of someone describing Fallout 3,  "Bethseda doesn't make RPG's,  Bethseda makes games for people who hate RPG's but want to pretend they play them".

Plus,  considering the PS3 debacle,  I'd consider it an embarassment to gaming to give GotY to a game so badly bugridden weeks after release that one whole platform is completely hosed.  10 years ago the game would've gotten a 3/10 by every reviewer for it,  so much for integrity of the press...

How about getting off your high horse?  If I hate RPGs its because people like you flat out raping the label to a point where RPG is nothing more than an insult.
If Skyrim isn't an RPG than that can only be a good thing now.
Seriously Gatt your whole attitude every time I see one of your posts screams "the only good game ever made was Baldurs gate" or some other drivel.

Well, while I really do not like the constant "hate" comments regarding Beth from Gatt (that's the only developer he seems to go afteras has been made plain by him for a long time now), BG is still my favorite all time Bioware RPG with maybe DA:O being in a tie with it. IMO, I woldn't hold Skyrim in the same breath as BG.

I don't really care if BG is the greatest thing since sliced bread.  People need to stop worrying so much about what game has this.
The very reason Gatt9 ever talks is the very reason I hate the RPG label.  To avoid getting this thread locked over another RPG debate I just going to point out that wether or not Skyrim is a RPG or not isn't the point.  Its a great game on its own right and I don't care if you call it a racing game if you call it a good one 

[Tommy6860]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

Skyrim... boring with a horrendous leveling system and lack of role playing--I feel as though I'm just a tourist like in Fallout: 3--Bethesda doesn't know how to make RPGs, but the soundtrack is awesome. It's an average game just like Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

Mine goes to Dark Souls. I've played over three different characters, and all of the different classes play differently even though you can potentially use any class for any class. Smooth gameplay, and with the new patch, better online play.

I agree with you,  Dark Souls,  then LA Noire for trying something different.

I also agree with your assessment of Bethseda,  but in the immortal words of someone describing Fallout 3,  "Bethseda doesn't make RPG's,  Bethseda makes games for people who hate RPG's but want to pretend they play them".

Plus,  considering the PS3 debacle,  I'd consider it an embarassment to gaming to give GotY to a game so badly bugridden weeks after release that one whole platform is completely hosed.  10 years ago the game would've gotten a 3/10 by every reviewer for it,  so much for integrity of the press...

How about getting off your high horse?  If I hate RPGs its because people like you flat out raping the label to a point where RPG is nothing more than an insult.
If Skyrim isn't an RPG than that can only be a good thing now.
Seriously Gatt your whole attitude every time I see one of your posts screams "the only good game ever made was Baldurs gate" or some other drivel.

Well, while I really do not like the constant "hate" comments regarding Beth from Gatt (that's the only developer he seems to go afteras has been made plain by him for a long time now), BG is still my favorite all time Bioware RPG with maybe DA:O being in a tie with it. IMO, I woldn't hold Skyrim in the same breath as BG.

I don't really care if BG is the greatest thing since sliced bread.  People need to stop worrying so much about what game has this.
The very reason Gatt9 ever talks is the very reason I hate the RPG label.  To avoid getting this thread locked over another RPG debate I just going to point out that wether or not Skyrim is a RPG or not isn't the point.  Its a great game on its own right and I don't care if you call it a racing game if you call it a good one 

No one ask you if you think BG is the greatest game, I  said that "IMO" I wouldn't hold it in the same breath as BG. If you love Skyrim, that's great, but, your opinion doesn't preclude the opinions of others. I don't like Gatt's comments, because they do nothing but inflame, but you're doing no better by your comments by demanding others need to stop worrying what game has what, they are allowed to compare according to the genre tag. IF Skyrim is a great game to you, that's awesome, and I mean that sincerely, I differ on that view, not because I hate, get what I mean ?

Modifié par Tommy6860, 17 décembre 2011 - 09:06 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Skyrim > Baldur's Gate.

[Tommy6860]

mrcrusty wrote...

Skyrim > Baldur's Gate.

 And that's all that matters, that you like it that much. Beth games have always been completely different styles than most RPGs being all its own and sticking with its lore. I wouldn't hold Skyrim close to Daggerfall and not as good as Morrowind, but it is much better than Oblvion, all my opinions of course. If I were to comapre it to DA:O, Skyrim doesn't have prayer (graphics are not everything to me), but that's for my taste. Outside of the improved dialogue and aesthetics in Skyrim, I don't think much of it.

Nothing has changed much graphically from Oblivion, as it uses essentially an updated version of the Gamebryo engine used in (partially) Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3 and Vagas (though Beth stated it is a entirely new engine). The aesthetics and realism of the looks ar e much improved though. I have already made my own mods cracking through ther system using the Fallout 3 construction kit. (it is hard though). I think the scenery is exceptional, but the textures are terrible. The combat is still the clunky looking theme of Oblivion with added finishing moves. I do like the dialogue and much of it is expository, that is a huge plus. But, over-lapping dialogue is egregious and game breaking at times. It also is very repetitive. The one Guild quest I played, is not anything as good as in Oblivion, but that is me. The Radiant story is pretty much broken, until Beth or a mod fixes it when the CK is released. I am holding back playing it anymore until the CK is released.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Haha, I was just joking Tommy, no need to take it so seriously. Honestly, I'd say BG 2 > Skyrim > BG 1. I played BG 1 after BG 2 and all the other games in the time period, so I was underwhelmed by it honestly.

Now on Skyrim, I feel like I'm inbetween your viewpoint and Matt's in that I share many complaints about the game with you, but I also share his enthusiasm for it.



But yes, I am also interested for CK to come out. I can't wait to take a crack at it. I've always wanted to know how well my ideas would translate in a game, and Skyrim's CK especially with Radiant Story (form of procedural quest generation and management) is a very good way to at least seeing how bad it would look.

It's still my GOTY, regardless.

<3

By the way Tommy, how's life treating you? Any special plans for the holidays?

Modifié par mrcrusty, 17 décembre 2011 - 09:37 .

[Fishy]

My game of the years? Skyrim . I am having too much fun with all those mod

[Tommy6860]

mrcrusty wrote...

Haha, I was just joking Tommy, no need to take it so seriously. Honestly, I'd say BG 2 > Skyrim > BG 1. I played BG 1 after BG 2 and all the other games in the time period, so I was underwhelmed by it honestly.

Now on Skyrim, I feel like I'm inbetween your viewpoint and Matt's in that I share many complaints about the game with you, but I also share his enthusiasm for it.



But yes, I am also interested for CK to come out. I can't wait to take a crack at it. I've always wanted to know how well my ideas would translate in a game, and Skyrim's CK especially with Radiant Story (form of procedural quest generation and management) is a very good way to at least seeing how bad it would look.

It's still my GOTY, regardless.

<3

By the way Tommy, how's life treating you? Any special plans for the holidays?

Well, BG2, cannot hold a candle to BG1, that is me romanticizing though, but I really did like BG2, but it was made better with the expansions. I personally liked NWN better than BG2 wit its expansions (HotU (<--- [this mainly] and SoU were incredible) .

The quest genration isn't anything much different that what is in Oblivion (yes Oblivion had the same thing). Finish a gulld quest line, and you can keep going back for more quests that all result in the same procedure, it is boring and nothing changes (Radiant story should fix that, but is has no effect).

Anyway, life's been treating me pretty good, outside of some personal events that affected me deeply about two months ago. I've ben very busy at work to say the least, that's for sure, with little time to spend on the forums (except for the Beth forums the past few weeks reading and posting).

As far as the holidays, I am on vacation this week, though I have been away the previous two weeks visiting friends taking work days off here and there. Work has been non-stop since the end of Sept. and it is taking a toll on me physically. But, I am taking it easy this week and doing what I want before it gets really busy and hard after New Years Day.

I hope things are well with you !

[slimgrin]

Skyrim isn't an RPG....?

lol, ok.

[hangmans tree]

Its a tie for me, overall.
The Witcher 2 - just because
Skyrim - because of Morrowind

[J0HNL3I]

Skyrim, game and RPG of the year

[bussinrounds]

slimgrin wrote...

Skyrim isn't an RPG....?

lol, ok.

    I categorize it as a Hiking/LARPing sim.

[HoonDing]

Everything is a RPG nowadays

I got over it a long time ago.

Modifié par virumor, 17 décembre 2011 - 05:30 .

[Mystic dream]

Dark Souls, with Skyrim coming in a very close second.

[1136342t54_]

jreezy wrote...

Saints Row: The Third, Skyrim, Gears of War 3, and NBA 2K12 get put on the honorable mentions list for me.

Basically this except NBA 2k12


Although I would say Arkham City would really be up there for game of the year and I would likely choose that over Skyrim. Skyrim is awesome but Bethesda really need to make a game in which I won't have the urge to smack down for not having more choices and at least better characterization. Saints Row The Third would have gotten game of the year from me if it wasn't for the lack of story content that was in the other games. Gears of War 3 could have been better if it wasn't for the rather underwhelming ending. It wasn't bad just not anything I would have preferred.

[1136342t54_]

slimgrin wrote...

Skyrim isn't an RPG....?

lol, ok.

Depends. Do you mean RPG in the actual Roleplaying a character sense? You could say it isn't in that case but even then there would be too many arguments. To be honest the game's quest was far more rail roaded story wise than RPGs from companys like Bioware and Obsidian. A great majority of quests is either do it or don't choice. Then your character rarely has much dialog choices in general its even less than Fallout 3 which was surprising.  It just felt anyother replay of the game would be simply to play another gameplay style.

Even the faction quests were underwhelming even though it started off pretty good.

Gameplay wise and exploration Skyrim is excellent. Storywise it is rather lacking at times.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 17 décembre 2011 - 05:55 .