Hello everyone!
Me and my buddy was having a heavy discussion last night
Lelliana or Zevran
He was more on the Lelliana side, and i was more a Zevran guy
But i want to know who you keep in your party, advanceges and disadvanceges by keeping them in your party.
I keep Zevran in my party because i simply fell in love with his character, and i find greater possibilities in him than Lilliana
Hope for replys!
Lelliana Vs. Zevran
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Posté 17 décembre 2011 - 01:11
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I tend to go for Leliana, mainly because her buffs come quite handy in the end of the day, her personality is a bit ugh and I am quite against her for, of all things, the french accent (I am Spanish so I fail to find it hot as an english speaker might do), it just made her harder to understand (and is quite curious as all the french people I've met in the UK tend to speak a flawless english...better than many britons in fact), but her skills are quite useful.
Zevran is ok, me being Spanish I had no problem with his accent
and was fun to have around, he is better used when you have actually both in your party or when supported by another rogue.
In fact having three rogues in party with warden + zevran + leliana made combats incredibly tactical, allowing you to basically position your troops how you wanted before starting and awaiting the moment as if you were hunting...and striking first, annoying stuff like their mages...it was thrilling to say the least.
In all if you go for a 2 warrior + 1 mage + rogue and want to use Zevran i tend to use him positioning him close to their mage, then I use the other characters's ranged attack to "call the horde" to them, and it is then when Zevran can get "intimate" with their mage and do all those "backstabbing" he likes, while I use my mage to make some horde control paralyzing etc and the others beating the crap of the bad guys...
With Leliana I tend to like her as an archer mora and take advantage of her buffs, only making her getting personal if things go wrong. She tends to do some recon for the party and when I start using my ranged attacks, she begins a bit later from a different position, to add some aggro from her that would put some mooks in the middle ground perfect enough to toss a fireball to them or again to paralize them and stuff...
Again it depends on the situation.
Zevran is ok, me being Spanish I had no problem with his accent
and was fun to have around, he is better used when you have actually both in your party or when supported by another rogue.In fact having three rogues in party with warden + zevran + leliana made combats incredibly tactical, allowing you to basically position your troops how you wanted before starting and awaiting the moment as if you were hunting...and striking first, annoying stuff like their mages...it was thrilling to say the least.
In all if you go for a 2 warrior + 1 mage + rogue and want to use Zevran i tend to use him positioning him close to their mage, then I use the other characters's ranged attack to "call the horde" to them, and it is then when Zevran can get "intimate" with their mage and do all those "backstabbing" he likes, while I use my mage to make some horde control paralyzing etc and the others beating the crap of the bad guys...
With Leliana I tend to like her as an archer mora and take advantage of her buffs, only making her getting personal if things go wrong. She tends to do some recon for the party and when I start using my ranged attacks, she begins a bit later from a different position, to add some aggro from her that would put some mooks in the middle ground perfect enough to toss a fireball to them or again to paralize them and stuff...
Again it depends on the situation.
Modifié par Bayz, 17 décembre 2011 - 01:12 .
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Posté 17 décembre 2011 - 01:18
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Bayz wrote...
Zevran is ok, me being Spanish I had no problem with his accent
Really?
i don't hate Zev, i like him, but i ****ing DESPISE his accent, with this weird inclination towards the "R", so generic and frankly it seemed more like mocking spanish lenguage to me(i'm spanish too).
OP: Op, my position should be obvious if you can look down my comment.
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Posté 17 décembre 2011 - 01:19
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Zev. He deals a lot of damage, he's much more fun and makes a perfect team with my Surana. Others - that depends on the quest. But Zev is always with me. 
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Posté 17 décembre 2011 - 01:45
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csfteeeer wrote...
Bayz wrote...
Zevran is ok, me being Spanish I had no problem with his accent
Really?
i don't hate Zev, i like him, but i ****ing DESPISE his accent, with this weird inclination towards the "R", so generic and frankly it seemed more like mocking spanish lenguage to me(i'm spanish too).
OP: Op, my position should be obvious if you can look down my comment.
Well we do sound like that to them, so do the greeks though...
Tengo varias anécdotas incómodas hablando español con griegos aquí en el Reino unido y ellos pensando que estoy poseído...
Modifié par Bayz, 17 décembre 2011 - 01:47 .
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Posté 17 décembre 2011 - 02:10
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Bayz wrote...
csfteeeer wrote...
Bayz wrote...
Zevran is ok, me being Spanish I had no problem with his accent
Really?
i don't hate Zev, i like him, but i ****ing DESPISE his accent, with this weird inclination towards the "R", so generic and frankly it seemed more like mocking spanish lenguage to me(i'm spanish too).
OP: Op, my position should be obvious if you can look down my comment.
Well we do sound like that to them, so do the greeks though...
Tengo varias anécdotas incómodas hablando español con griegos aquí en el Reino unido y ellos pensando que estoy poseído...
jaja!
na, yo no sueno asi y nadie que yo conozca(con un exceso de atencion en la "R" o aficandome en la lengua para todo).
De griegos ahi si no se, arreglatelas vos:P
Modifié par csfteeeer, 17 décembre 2011 - 02:11 .
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Posté 17 décembre 2011 - 02:38
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csfteeeer wrote...
Bayz wrote...
csfteeeer wrote...
Bayz wrote...
Zevran is ok, me being Spanish I had no problem with his accent
Really?
i don't hate Zev, i like him, but i ****ing DESPISE his accent, with this weird inclination towards the "R", so generic and frankly it seemed more like mocking spanish lenguage to me(i'm spanish too).
OP: Op, my position should be obvious if you can look down my comment.
Well we do sound like that to them, so do the greeks though...
Tengo varias anécdotas incómodas hablando español con griegos aquí en el Reino unido y ellos pensando que estoy poseído...
jaja!
na, yo no sueno asi y nadie que yo conozca(con un exceso de atencion en la "R" o aficandome en la lengua para todo).
De griegos ahi si no se, arreglatelas vos:P
Maybe is the Latin american accent. People from Latin America tends to have less accent. And if you are Argentinian/Uruguayan, it is different than mexicans for example, well not necessary to tell you that I am sure.
But definatly Spaniards from Spain do sound like Zev, with strong "R's" included, lame or silly as it might sound to you.
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Posté 19 décembre 2011 - 05:26
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I kept killing Zevran, so aside from the files where he's my romance option of choice, I leave him out of the party. I never could build him right so that he wouldn't die every five minutes. I also don't like him as much as a character; it was like I couldn't have a conversation without flirting with him or losing his approval.
Leliana, on the other hand, is the most adorable human lockpick ever. I also know how to build her so she doesn't die nearly as often as poor Zev. In fact, she tends to end up as my last person standing when I successfully manage to kill off everyone else. Which tends to be not good because she's my archer...
Leliana, on the other hand, is the most adorable human lockpick ever. I also know how to build her so she doesn't die nearly as often as poor Zev. In fact, she tends to end up as my last person standing when I successfully manage to kill off everyone else. Which tends to be not good because she's my archer...
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Posté 19 décembre 2011 - 03:53
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In camp Leliana's okay to talk to, but I generally dislike her companion dialogue - apart from when someone far cooler (say, Shale or Morrigan) is knocking her down a peg or two. Zevran meanwhile is often sleazy, but does also have some very interesting (pointing out Sten is not "Sten's" real name) and funny (with Loghain) dialogue. Even one-on-one I prefer his chirpy attitude to Leliana's gloomy piety.
That said, Leliana is a more useful companion. Archery starts poor, but she's a powerhouse towards the end. She starts with lock-picking skills and you get her early enough to make her a dual-wielder without too much hassle if you fancy. Zevran you get just that little bit too late to spec towards being anything other than a dual-wielder, while having nothing at all in lock-picking and a low cunning score means he'll never be terribly useful for traps and locks. All he's really good for is DPS, and for that you're much better taking one of the heavy-hitters since the AI is too stupid to know how to control DW rogues effectively.
That said, Leliana is a more useful companion. Archery starts poor, but she's a powerhouse towards the end. She starts with lock-picking skills and you get her early enough to make her a dual-wielder without too much hassle if you fancy. Zevran you get just that little bit too late to spec towards being anything other than a dual-wielder, while having nothing at all in lock-picking and a low cunning score means he'll never be terribly useful for traps and locks. All he's really good for is DPS, and for that you're much better taking one of the heavy-hitters since the AI is too stupid to know how to control DW rogues effectively.
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Posté 23 décembre 2011 - 10:00
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I use the Zev ASAP mod, you get him just after Lothering. Much more useful, you can then give hime time tio build up skills he's not been given, I make his archery and traps my priority.Ferretinabun wrote...
That said, Leliana is a more useful companion. Archery starts poor, but she's a powerhouse towards the end. She starts with lock-picking skills and you get her early enough to make her a dual-wielder without too much hassle if you fancy. Zevran you get just that little bit too late to spec towards being anything other than a dual-wielder, while having nothing at all in lock-picking and a low cunning score means he'll never be terribly useful for traps and locks. All he's really good for is DPS, and for that you're much better taking one of the heavy-hitters since the AI is too stupid to know how to control DW rogues effectively.
I love his flirtyness, with all the NPCs, it just makes me giggle. I spend masses of time flirting with him before I go and fall for Alistair
We romance Leliana last run through, it felt really flat.
I'm currently replaying Origins, and will only take out Leliana for her own quests
Lel's sweet, and vulnerable, but her chantry support is just so not me, especially after seeing what goes on in Kirkwall and hearing Alistair say she knows a completely different chantry to his.
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Posté 01 janvier 2012 - 02:01
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I never really warmed up to Zevran, but he's a decent enough guy. I adore Leliana for her kind heart, her beauty, her wealth of knowledge on places and songs, and her... "talents" in the bedroom.
Plus, her Song of Courage buff is really, really handy.
That said, it all depends on my Warden. On the playthrough where I was playing a Dalish Elf archer/bard, I never took Leliana on any of my travels, since I was running basically the same role as Leliana normally does in my parties.
Plus, her Song of Courage buff is really, really handy.
That said, it all depends on my Warden. On the playthrough where I was playing a Dalish Elf archer/bard, I never took Leliana on any of my travels, since I was running basically the same role as Leliana normally does in my parties.
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Posté 11 janvier 2012 - 05:47
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Never found a use for Zevran. Flimsy as a dry leaf in combat; not my cup of tea sexually. Doesn't have any special skills that recommend him over any other rogue. Found his tendency to hit on anything that moves kind of annoying. Accent reminds me of Puss in Boots from Shrek. Bringing him along to learn the Duelist specialization from Isabella is kind of amusing.
Leliana...well, her initial personality is pretty bland and bothersome. After she's been "hardened," it's a lot easier to see the appeal. Even she's bored by the person she was when you met. (Why anybody would support the Chantry, I just don't know. Even just knowing what Alistair tells you about the Templars makes it pretty unappealing, never mind all the "Exalted Marches" or their shameless abuse of the Mages.)
Leliana...well, her initial personality is pretty bland and bothersome. After she's been "hardened," it's a lot easier to see the appeal. Even she's bored by the person she was when you met. (Why anybody would support the Chantry, I just don't know. Even just knowing what Alistair tells you about the Templars makes it pretty unappealing, never mind all the "Exalted Marches" or their shameless abuse of the Mages.)
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Posté 15 janvier 2012 - 06:02
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Zevran is actually meant to be the equivalent of an Italian. They just got a voice actor who couldn't do an Italian accent. I found this out on Dragon Age Wiki (look it up, it tells you what the DA map is meant to be in relation to the real world...Antiva is meant to be Italy). Anyway, that aside, I agree that Lelliana's accent is annoying. I dislike the French accent, do not find it sexy at all.
I prefer her despite this. Her constant Chantry drivel irritates me (I am not anti-religion), and I feel the only reason she is religious is to make up for all the bad things she did. She wants to feel better about herself or something. She's cool, and probably less annoying than Zevran, which I why I would chose her over him.
Zevran is so funny. He's quite a character but something about him rubs me the wrong way. He's pretty much the opposite of Lelliana. She's "virtuous" whilst he's definitley not. He's very...sexual, and there's nothing wrong with that but I'm a bit of prude, lol. I don't always appreciate his flirtations.
He's never betrayed me though because I kept on his good side,
I prefer her despite this. Her constant Chantry drivel irritates me (I am not anti-religion), and I feel the only reason she is religious is to make up for all the bad things she did. She wants to feel better about herself or something. She's cool, and probably less annoying than Zevran, which I why I would chose her over him.
Zevran is so funny. He's quite a character but something about him rubs me the wrong way. He's pretty much the opposite of Lelliana. She's "virtuous" whilst he's definitley not. He's very...sexual, and there's nothing wrong with that but I'm a bit of prude, lol. I don't always appreciate his flirtations.
He's never betrayed me though because I kept on his good side,
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Posté 18 janvier 2012 - 07:47
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Now see, I thought that Antiva was supposed to be ambiguously foreign, like Spain, Italy, Portugal, or Greece, without actually specifying.
Orlais, on the other hand, was France. And Andraste was Jesus. That was pretty explicit.
Orlais, on the other hand, was France. And Andraste was Jesus. That was pretty explicit.
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It really depends.
On personality, I like Zevran over Leliana. They're clearly foils of each other, so it makes sense that many people would prefer one over the other. Leliana is preachy, devout, prudish, virtuous, and repentent whereas Zevran is easy-going, open-minded, lustful, sinful, and very much okay with it. I personally find him much more fun to be around and hilarious to talk to.
On skill ability, I find Leliana more useful than Zevran. My characters are all scrappers, so Leliana's starting technical skills (pick-pocketing, lock-picking, trap-disarming, etc.) are much more handy. Zevran doesn't start out with any technical skills, and while he can be taught eventually, it takes forever and his combat growth suffers greatly for it. Since my characters already fill the "damage dealing" niche, I feel Zevran's not as vital as Leliana.
On actual combat, I'm sorry, but I find Leliana absolutely useless whereas Zevran is ridiculously awesome. Leliana's starting stats and skills are all over the place so she's a mediocre bard, archer and skill monkey. In combat, I always found her weak, easiest to get killed, next to no tactical slots, frustratingly slow in learning new archery talents and unable to pull her own weight until around the end of the game. :/
Zevran's build, while incomplete when you first meet him, at least has some direction: he's a dexterity-based duel-wielding scrapper, and if you build him as such, he can be one of the best melee fighters in the game. It's better than having to choose between making a skill monkey that always dies in combat or an okay fighter that can't pick or disarm for **** (and therefore, no one can). I'm sorry to any Leliana fans, maybe I'm just not building her right, but I do find it very frustrating.
Over-all, I like Zevran better.
On personality, I like Zevran over Leliana. They're clearly foils of each other, so it makes sense that many people would prefer one over the other. Leliana is preachy, devout, prudish, virtuous, and repentent whereas Zevran is easy-going, open-minded, lustful, sinful, and very much okay with it. I personally find him much more fun to be around and hilarious to talk to.
On skill ability, I find Leliana more useful than Zevran. My characters are all scrappers, so Leliana's starting technical skills (pick-pocketing, lock-picking, trap-disarming, etc.) are much more handy. Zevran doesn't start out with any technical skills, and while he can be taught eventually, it takes forever and his combat growth suffers greatly for it. Since my characters already fill the "damage dealing" niche, I feel Zevran's not as vital as Leliana.
On actual combat, I'm sorry, but I find Leliana absolutely useless whereas Zevran is ridiculously awesome. Leliana's starting stats and skills are all over the place so she's a mediocre bard, archer and skill monkey. In combat, I always found her weak, easiest to get killed, next to no tactical slots, frustratingly slow in learning new archery talents and unable to pull her own weight until around the end of the game. :/
Zevran's build, while incomplete when you first meet him, at least has some direction: he's a dexterity-based duel-wielding scrapper, and if you build him as such, he can be one of the best melee fighters in the game. It's better than having to choose between making a skill monkey that always dies in combat or an okay fighter that can't pick or disarm for **** (and therefore, no one can). I'm sorry to any Leliana fans, maybe I'm just not building her right, but I do find it very frustrating.
Over-all, I like Zevran better.
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Posté 15 février 2012 - 09:00
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my opinion is leliana is better for usefulness. (assuming archer).
Archers are much better than what others seem to say, their main advantage been they can attack from range without having to chase enemies down and are less vulnerable.
in my last playthru I had zev as a dex based DW rogue, a build that is supposedbly near invincible against physical attacks, he died the most out of my party members by far. Also I noticed a DW warrior is pretty decent but a DW rogue is not as good. Thats just my own view.
Here is party damage stats from last game I played.
I was rogue archer cunning based
zev dex based dw rogue
wynne healer/buffer
shale tank
me 69% of party damamge
zev 21% of party damage
shale 12% of party damage
rest small not worthy of mention
Archers are much better than what others seem to say, their main advantage been they can attack from range without having to chase enemies down and are less vulnerable.
in my last playthru I had zev as a dex based DW rogue, a build that is supposedbly near invincible against physical attacks, he died the most out of my party members by far. Also I noticed a DW warrior is pretty decent but a DW rogue is not as good. Thats just my own view.
Here is party damage stats from last game I played.
I was rogue archer cunning based
zev dex based dw rogue
wynne healer/buffer
shale tank
me 69% of party damamge
zev 21% of party damage
shale 12% of party damage
rest small not worthy of mention
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Posté 15 février 2012 - 10:18
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chrcol wrote...
Also I noticed a DW warrior is pretty decent but a DW rogue is not as good. Thats just my own view.
Pretty spot on. World of difference betwenn DW rogues and DW warriors IMHO. Rogues are all about the sneaky backstabs and tearing into an enemy from behind (which the AI can never do for you very well). Warriors are all about getting enemies to crowd you and taking them all out face to face. Towards the end of the game, DW warriors actually make rather good tanks.
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Posté 16 février 2012 - 01:20
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I have an advanced tactics mod and that provides the option to let your rogues automatically move behind an enemy to backstab.
I think both Leliana and Zevran can be very useful. Neither of them suck.
As a person I do prefer Zevran over Leliana. His banter with other party members is hilarious (especially with Wynne, strangely enough) and his ridiculously awesome comment at the end of a very succesful battle never gets old for me.
I think both Leliana and Zevran can be very useful. Neither of them suck.
As a person I do prefer Zevran over Leliana. His banter with other party members is hilarious (especially with Wynne, strangely enough) and his ridiculously awesome comment at the end of a very succesful battle never gets old for me.
