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[Knight of Dane]

Anders is not needed to be successful on any difficulty.

[AliceEmile]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Anders is not needed to be successful on any difficulty.

Show me some act 2 screens on hard/nightmare without him,

or and any healing character without a mage player class, void of  ravage, improved purge, (?)...

Modifié par AliceEmile, 05 janvier 2012 - 02:24 .

[AliceEmile]

AliceEmile wrote...

Regardless of her outcome in standing in the dragonAge universe, Anders being the only healer during act two if the player is *not a mage is an ultimatum..

Generally speaking, being successful in hard and nightmare, is dependant on a healer. Unless bosses on nightmare are do-able with four damage dealers
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In that case; Knight  of Dane,

could you share your 4 damage dealing character set-up and player class. 

[yesikareyes]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

While it wouldn't be all bad to think about her hanging out with Alistair, and maybe even King Cousland, it still wouldn't be very fair to her. I'm planning to side with the mages anyway.

How is it possible for her to be with King Cousland?

[Knight of Dane]

AliceEmile wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Anders is not needed to be successful on any difficulty.

Show me some act 2 screens on hard/nightmare without him,

or and any healing character without a mage player class, void of  ravage, improved purge, (?)...

How will screens prove anything? I could just pick a party and go find a random battle and shoot the pic once it's started. Besides i play on PS3, any pic i take will be crappy.

I never needed Anders. He's a great addition to any team to be sure, but i have successfully gone through the game on Nightmare at least thrice without using him aside his own quests. You just need plenty healing potions and Mythal's favor.

The party i was most successful with was Hawke-Archer, Varric, Aveline and Fenris.

Not saying i never fell, i definately died now and then, but i never felt it as a bother to reload and retry. Luckily I'm good at saving often.

You'll just have to take my word on it, i don't have to prove anything to you.

[AliceEmile]

Knight of Dane wrote...

AliceEmile wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Anders is not needed to be successful on any difficulty.

Show me some act 2 screens on hard/nightmare without him,

or and any healing character without a mage player class, void of  ravage, improved purge, (?)...

How will screens prove anything? I could just pick a party and go find a random battle and shoot the pic once it's started. Besides i play on PS3, any pic i take will be crappy.

I never needed Anders. He's a great addition to any team to be sure, but i have successfully gone through the game on Nightmare at least thrice without using him aside his own quests. You just need plenty healing potions and Mythal's favor.

The party i was most successful with was Hawke-Archer, Varric, Aveline and Fenris.

Not saying i never fell, i definately died now and then, but i never felt it as a bother to reload and retry. Luckily I'm good at saving often.

You'll just have to take my word on it, i don't have to prove anything to you.

Very well, im in the works of another game-start, as a sword/shield warrior hasn't nearly the dps that i can see.
Mythal's flask though... that's news to me

[yesikareyes]

I never used Anders, I was happy to kill him when he said he was willing to pay his life for his actions!

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

yesikareyes wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

While it wouldn't be all bad to think about her hanging out with Alistair, and maybe even King Cousland, it still wouldn't be very fair to her. I'm planning to side with the mages anyway.

How is it possible for her to be with King Cousland?

Even if the prince-consort quits the Wardens, he's still friends with Alistair... You never know.

[yesikareyes]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Even if the prince-consort quits the Wardens, he's still friends with Alistair... You never know.

I would totally use a playthrough where Bethany joins the Wardens if there was a cameo in the third game where King Cousland, Alistair (Warden) and Bethany would cross paths with the new protagonist!!! Totally bad ass and It's okay for me if Bethany dies young at least she fought beside King Cousland and Alistair!!!

[Knight of Dane]

AliceEmile wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

AliceEmile wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Anders is not needed to be successful on any difficulty.

Show me some act 2 screens on hard/nightmare without him,

or and any healing character without a mage player class, void of  ravage, improved purge, (?)...

How will screens prove anything? I could just pick a party and go find a random battle and shoot the pic once it's started. Besides i play on PS3, any pic i take will be crappy.

I never needed Anders. He's a great addition to any team to be sure, but i have successfully gone through the game on Nightmare at least thrice without using him aside his own quests. You just need plenty healing potions and Mythal's favor.

The party i was most successful with was Hawke-Archer, Varric, Aveline and Fenris.

Not saying i never fell, i definately died now and then, but i never felt it as a bother to reload and retry. Luckily I'm good at saving often.

You'll just have to take my word on it, i don't have to prove anything to you.

Very well, im in the works of another game-start, as a sword/shield warrior hasn't nearly the dps that i can see.
Mythal's flask though... that's news to me

Mythal's favor is a bomb, so it's found under poisons, but it's effect is revival.

[Malanu]

... Wait Carver didn't have to die?

[BTG_01]

I prefer Bethany in the Wardens. First of all, you get to see more of her that way, but I also like that she's finally stepping out of her sibling's shadow by joining the Wardens. Sure, she's resentful towards Hawke, but she's also powerful and confident as a Warden. As a Circle Mage, she came across as kind of depressed and mopey. Meeting Bethany at the end of Act 3 is much more satisfying if she's a Warden because she and Hawke are finally reconciling. She chooses to join with Hawke rather than just happening to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Knight of Dane]

BTG_01 wrote...

I prefer Bethany in the Wardens. First of all, you get to see more of her that way, but I also like that she's finally stepping out of her sibling's shadow by joining the Wardens. Sure, she's resentful towards Hawke, but she's also powerful and confident as a Warden. As a Circle Mage, she came across as kind of depressed and mopey. Meeting Bethany at the end of Act 3 is much more satisfying if she's a Warden because she and Hawke are finally reconciling. She chooses to join with Hawke rather than just happening to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

You have her psyche all turned around. As a warden she's far from confident because she doesn't seem to fit in the world, she despises her fate and is almost suicidal in beleif. As a Circle Mage she has found her morale and gotten to put her past in perspective, she has realized that fighting for Mage's rights is her way.
That's confidence.

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 05 janvier 2012 - 10:34 .

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Malanu wrote...

... Wait Carver didn't have to die?

What part of the game are you talking about?  The Deep Roads or the beginning?

[BTG_01]

Knight of Dane wrote...
You have he psyche all turned around. As a warden she's far from confident because she doesn't seem to fit in the world, she despises her fate and is almost suicidal in beleif. As a Circle Mage she has found her morale and gotten to put her past in perspective, she has realized that fighting for Mage's rights is her way.
That's confidence.

Bethany is far from happy as a Warden, at least at first, but I don't see how that means she lacks confidence. When you meet her at the end of Act 2, she's quite assertive. She believes in what the Wardens are doing and their righteousness of their cause.

Bethany goes through a character arc when she's a Warden that she doesn't if she joins the Circle. There wasn't much change in Bethany as a Circle Mage from the beginning Act 2 onwards. Warden Bethany grows as a character as she comes to deal with her situation.
 
To each their own, though.

[Knight of Dane]

BTG_01 wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...
You have he psyche all turned around. As a warden she's far from confident because she doesn't seem to fit in the world, she despises her fate and is almost suicidal in beleif. As a Circle Mage she has found her morale and gotten to put her past in perspective, she has realized that fighting for Mage's rights is her way.
That's confidence.

Bethany is far from happy as a Warden, at least at first, but I don't see how that means she lacks confidence. When you meet her at the end of Act 2, she's quite assertive. She believes in what the Wardens are doing and their righteousness of their cause.

Bethany goes through a character arc when she's a Warden that she doesn't if she joins the Circle. There wasn't much change in Bethany as a Circle Mage from the beginning Act 2 onwards. Warden Bethany grows as a character as she comes to deal with her situation.
 
To each their own, though.

Beleiving in the Wardens cause is not her having confidence.  Her being miserable and hating her life is not confidence. Sure, she puts things into perspective, not more than as a Circle Mage though, she's just miserable.
Wikipedia:

Confidence is generally described as a state of being certain either that a hypothesis or prediction is correct or that a chosen course of action is the best or most effective. Self-confidence is having confidence in oneself.

As a Circle Mage in the Gallows prison she says: "I cannot beleive that this is the makers will."
She realizes that fighting for her rights as a mage is what she wants rather than wanting to be normal. She realizes the world have to accept her kind, not that she should just fit in.
That's confidence. At least confidence in her cause.

And no it's not each to their own either, psychology is studied, theorized and accepted facts.

[BTG_01]

Knight of Dane wrote...
Beleiving in the Wardens cause is not her having confidence.  Her being miserable and hating her life is not confidence. Sure, she puts things into perspective, not more than as a Circle Mage though, she's just miserable.
Wikipedia:

Confidence is generally described as a state of being certain either that a hypothesis or prediction is correct or that a chosen course of action is the best or most effective. Self-confidence is having confidence in oneself.

As a Circle Mage in the Gallows prison she says: "I cannot beleive that this is the makers will."
She realizes that fighting for her rights as a mage is what she wants rather than wanting to be normal. She realizes the world have to accept her kind, not that she should just fit in.
That's confidence. At least confidence in her cause.

And no it's not each to their own either, psychology is studied, theorized and accepted facts.

I don't know why you're hung up on the word 'confidence.' My argument was that Bethany grows as a character as a Warden and she doesn't as a Circle Mage. If you want to infer from a few lines of dialogue that she's somehow 'confident' when she believes in the work she's doing as a Mage, but not when she believes in the work she's doing as a Wardens, okay, fine. I don't agree, but it still doesn't effect my original point that she has a character arc as a Warden and just stagnates as a Circle Mage.

[Knight of Dane]

BTG_01 wrote...

I prefer Bethany in the Wardens. First of all, you get to see more of her that way, but I also like that she's finally stepping out of her sibling's shadow by joining the Wardens. Sure, she's resentful towards Hawke, but she's also powerful and confident as a Warden. As a Circle Mage, she came across as kind of depressed and mopey. Meeting Bethany at the end of Act 3 is much more satisfying if she's a Warden because she and Hawke are finally reconciling. She chooses to join with Hawke rather than just happening to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Bolded it for you.

[BTG_01]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Bolded it for you.

Uh, yeah, I know I used the word. Thanks. Do you want to address my point about character growth or are we done here?

[Knight of Dane]

My point is just that a Warden Bethany isn't confident like you claimed.
What you make it into is your own problem.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

She seems happier as a mage. Besides, if the mages are freed, and her big brother is still alive to support her, it sounds pretty good to me. Sure she might become more independent as a Warden, but she becomes irreversibly tainted for the rest of her short life.

[TEWR]

Bethany in the Wardens comes off as more confrontational than confident.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

@ AliceEmile Just get a mod that adds the healer tree to Merill as well, or carry lots of pots. Or get the added companion mod and add one that can heal - Like Bethany

[AliceEmile]

DarkAmaranth1966 wrote...

@ AliceEmile Just get a mod that adds the healer tree to Merill as well, or carry lots of pots. Or get the added companion mod and add one that can heal - Like Bethany

i tend to stray from mods, as i play on the 360; anders bothers me so much in dialogue and character that i'll never play him, ever. And bethany is off to the gray wardens for an act

I've gone with my main as an archer, Aveline mostly dps(almost maxed sword tree/ Merill as dps - spec to be decided/ and i'm debating over Fenris's crazy crit damage and survivability without much macro(micro?) or Isabella for her dialogue

I've yet to find Mythal's, but having anders in the party in the deeproads with varric and bethany... he's so damn overpowered lol and i still won;t play him just because of how much of a ... he is.

fenris or isabella hmm


'in regards to bethany's fate, the 'circle' seems to be that of a governmental institute for the prisoning of the gifted lol; i'll never send her to the circle after the 'my sister says tranquility is as bad as death' comment.

[caradoc2000]

AliceEmile wrote...

I've yet to find Mythal's,

As I recall, there are only a few of those for sale, and those are in act 3. You can, however, make them as soon as you find the recipe in act 2.