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[LobselVith8]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Not if Justice was killed by The Warden if he sided with the Architect, and wasn't able to persuade Justice to agree to the alliance.

Justice did say however that he wasn't sure if a "death" in the mortal realm would even be enough for him to go back to the Fade, especially since the Baroness' spell sundered him from it entirely.

For other spirits and demons, they generally aren't sundered from the Veil. So upon their "death", they just go right on back.

Justice addresses that he can go back to the Fade if he wants to, so he evidently isn't restricted from entering the Fade, and Anders thinks that Justice will return to the Fade if Hawke decides to kill him.

[TEWR]

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Not if Justice was killed by The Warden if he sided with the Architect, and wasn't able to persuade Justice to agree to the alliance.

Justice did say however that he wasn't sure if a "death" in the mortal realm would even be enough for him to go back to the Fade, especially since the Baroness' spell sundered him from it entirely.

For other spirits and demons, they generally aren't sundered from the Veil. So upon their "death", they just go right on back.

Justice addresses that he can go back to the Fade if he wants to, so he evidently isn't restricted from entering the Fade, and Anders thinks that Justice will return to the Fade if Hawke decides to kill him.

When did he say that he can go back to the Fade if he wanted to?

Because if he could've done it so easily, then he probably wouldn't have acted like he hadn't been to the Fade in years when he goes there to save Feynriel.

[LobselVith8]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Justice addresses that he can go back to the Fade if he wants to, so he evidently isn't restricted from entering the Fade, and Anders thinks that Justice will return to the Fade if Hawke decides to kill him.

When did he say that he can go back to the Fade if he wanted to?

Because if he could've done it so easily, then he probably wouldn't have acted like he hadn't been to the Fade in years when he goes there to save Feynriel.

That's because Justice hadn't been to the Fade in years, since he was merged with Anders and living in the real world since their symbiosis, and spent years in the physical plane in Kirkwall. The short story where Anders merges with Justice seems to suggest that Justice made his deal with Anders in the Fade, since Kristoff's body isn't mentioned in the story. Also, after the destruction of the Kirkwall Chantry, Anders assumes that the death of his physical body would mean that Justice would return to the Fade.

In the conversation Justice has with Velanna in Amaranthine, Justice acknowledges that he can leave Kristoff's corpse:
 
Velanna, "I know less about this than you. How securely is your spirit bound to this body? Can you leave it?"

Justice responds, "I could, if I chose to."

[FieryDove]

thats1evildude wrote...

Sten said the cake was a lie. 

The pie was a lie. The cake was fake.

The choices are...

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"cricket sounds"

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Yep, just that.


PS: I  ToR

Modifié par FieryDove, 20 décembre 2011 - 02:11 .

[TEWR]

Velanna, "I know less about this than you. How securely is your spirit bound to this body? Can you leave it?"

Justice responds, "I could, if I chose to."

Choosing to leave the body of Kristoff doesn't mean he can return to the Fade. It just means he can travel the mortal realm in spirit form.

[erilben]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Not if Justice was killed by The Warden if he sided with the Architect, and wasn't able to persuade Justice to agree to the alliance.

Justice did say however that he wasn't sure if a "death" in the mortal realm would even be enough for him to go back to the Fade, especially since the Baroness' spell sundered him from it entirely.

For other spirits and demons, they generally aren't sundered from the Veil. So upon their "death", they just go right on back.

Why does Justice need a host then? When spirits possess people, they leave a piece of themselves in the Fade (supposedly this is similar to mortals who leave their bodies when they visist the Fade). In this case, they just go back to the Fade when they are killed. However, if they physically cross the Veil, a host is not needed, but they can't get back to the Fade.

Modifié par erilben, 20 décembre 2011 - 11:38 .

[TEWR]

erilben wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Not if Justice was killed by The Warden if he sided with the Architect, and wasn't able to persuade Justice to agree to the alliance.

Justice did say however that he wasn't sure if a "death" in the mortal realm would even be enough for him to go back to the Fade, especially since the Baroness' spell sundered him from it entirely.

For other spirits and demons, they generally aren't sundered from the Veil. So upon their "death", they just go right on back.

Why does Justice need a host then? When spirits possess people, they leave a piece of themselves in the Fade (supposedly this is similar to mortals who leave their bodies when they visist the Fade). In this case, they just go back to the Fade when they are killed. However, if they physically crossed the Veil, a host is not needed, but they can't get back to the Fade.

I believe you have it mixed up. The ones who are still connected to the Fade are the ones that require a host. Justice isn't, and he says that he can leave Kristoff's corpse anytime he wants. This doesn't mean that he can return to the Fade, as he's just saying he's not bound to the body he's in.

From the codex on Wisps:

A wisp is a demon that has lost its power; either it has existed in our world for too long without finding a true host or it has been destroyed—often, so we've found, by other demons. What remains of its mind clings tightly to the one concept that created it—a hatred of all things living.


Whether Justice would still follow the same rules I don't know -- personally I doubt it as the codex only talks about spirits that are still connected to the Fade -- but if so he would need a host to keep himself from turning into a wisp and remaining in the mortal realm.

[erilben]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

erilben wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Not if Justice was killed by The Warden if he sided with the Architect, and wasn't able to persuade Justice to agree to the alliance.

Justice did say however that he wasn't sure if a "death" in the mortal realm would even be enough for him to go back to the Fade, especially since the Baroness' spell sundered him from it entirely.

For other spirits and demons, they generally aren't sundered from the Veil. So upon their "death", they just go right on back.

Why does Justice need a host then? When spirits possess people, they leave a piece of themselves in the Fade (supposedly this is similar to mortals who leave their bodies when they visist the Fade). In this case, they just go back to the Fade when they are killed. However, if they physically crossed the Veil, a host is not needed, but they can't get back to the Fade.

I believe you have it mixed up. The ones who are still connected to the Fade are the ones that require a host. Justice isn't, and he says that he can leave Kristoff's corpse anytime he wants. This doesn't mean that he can return to the Fade, as he's just saying he's not bound to the body he's in.

From the codex on Wisps:

A wisp is a demon that has lost its power; either it has existed in our world for too long without finding a true host or it has been destroyed—often, so we've found, by other demons. What remains of its mind clings tightly to the one concept that created it—a hatred of all things living.


Whether Justice would still follow the same rules I don't know -- personally I doubt it as the codex only talks about spirits that are still connected to the Fade -- but if so he would need a host to keep himself from turning into a wisp and remaining in the mortal realm.

Anders says that Justice requried a host to live outside the Fade. If only spirits connected to the Fade require a host, doesn't that mean Justice is still connected to the Fade?

[TEWR]

He could be wrong. It could just be what he assumes to be the case.

I mean, Justice himself was sundered from the Fade entirely in Awakening and said that a death in the mortal realm -- which is enough for spirits and demons that are connected to the Fade to return -- wouldn't really work. He would still be in the world.

But I guess this means that all spirits -- whether connected to the Fade still or not -- require a host so as not to become a Wisp.

[LexXxich]

This is what happens when people let their ambitions take the best of them, and their competence fail them. They write themselves into the corner and only have weak handwaves to defend with.

[Quething]

andraip wrote...

And why does no one complain about Flemeth beeing alive?

Morrigan questions, in DA:O, whether Flemeth is actually dead. She makes several statements that question whether Flemeth can die. In DA:A the narrative once again raises the question of whether you managed to kill her.

Then in DA2, Flemeth herself actually validates her own death; she makes it explicit that the Warden did, in fact, kill her, and if she hadn't done the amulet trick to restore-from-backup she would, indeed, be gone, and thus the player's action in the first game wasn't impotent.

Huge, huge difference between that and Anders/Justice/Leliana/Oghren.

[Tezzajh]

its all about money, following up so many diffrent choices will cost more. and after using the same maps over and over are you really suprised that your choices wernt reconised?

also i gotta say i dont expect DA 3 to be much diffrent cause again you got even more choices to deal with than DA2. the only improvment i can see is the amount of maps they will use. I belive thats why they wont use the warden or hawke in Da3. nothing to do with story its all about the potential cost that is required to cope with the choices made.