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I think there is maybe a problem. Not sure why I never thought of it before, but probably the whole 'Spectres serve the Council directly' thing is a huge pile of BS. Because if it were so Shepard would go to them to talk face to face, not to Anderson/Udina. Even in ME1. Obviously the Council is not direcly supervising Spectres which could kinda explain why so many of them (Spectres) are doing their own thing, mostly illegal and in many cases in a way the Council would not approve of.


No, Spectres do serve the council. It's just not the other way around. Especially if you were declared dead by them and presumably lost your Spectre status as a result (hence the need for reinstatement). Ultimately, they are not obliged to see you if they don't want to.

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Dave of Canada wrote...

I'm usually a bigger fan of intimidating folks than punching/interrupting them, everybody mentions how awesome it is to push the merc out the window but the intimidate option is just so much more sinister.


^ lololololol. The extent to which certain people on this site act like they're completely victimized by everybody else is absolutely ridiculous.

$1000 cash prize if you can find me one person on here who's ever said that using Intimidate on that merc is so much more sinister. (As of this challenge).

While you're looking, here's a post that praises that very line! ... 
http://social.biowar...3/index/8810067 

Modifié par Hah Yes Reapers, 19 décembre 2011 - 09:17 .


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Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

$1000 cash prize if you can find me one person on here who's ever said that using Intimidate on that merc is so much more sinister. (As of this challenge).

Ever, you say? Well, I say that right now. Here you have it.

(Dave, about that prize...)

Modifié par John Renegade, 19 décembre 2011 - 09:25 .


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Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'm usually a bigger fan of intimidating folks than punching/interrupting them, everybody mentions how awesome it is to push the merc out the window but the intimidate option is just so much more sinister.


^ lololololol. The extent to which certain people on this site act like they're completely victimized by everybody else is absolutely ridiculous.


How was he acting like he was victimised? He simply expressed his preference for intimidation over renegade interrupts.

And yeah, I also tend to intimidate rather than go for the interrupts if the option arises, it is usually the smarter thing to do.

Modifié par Bad King, 19 décembre 2011 - 09:27 .


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I don't take the position that Renegade choices SHOULD lead to a better war effort, but I certainly see a lot of ways that the Renegade decisions could have been... if not better, at least tied in effectiveness.


The biggest one, of course, would have been the Renegade Council. I really think Bioware missed the ball with that one, because it passed up one of the easiest justifications for the Alliance's claim to power, but also to highlight it's isolation.

The Human Council could have publicly revealed the existence of the Reapers... and then be dismissed by Council races for making it up to justify the coup.

It would easily have played a number of the ME1 themes and even subtle ME2 themes (that the Alliance/Humans do recognize problems and are quicker to try and react to them), would have continued the grounded ME2 themes (the Alliance is too busy/outvoiced by the Paragon Council to address the Terminus issue), and highlight the Alliance's isolation after it seized power (no one believes Humans crying Reaper). It would be the position of a dominating Humanity trying to drag the unbelieving galaxy towards preparing for the Reapers.

This wouldn't even have to count as a BETTER galaxy, but one equally prepared but in a different fashion. An equivalent to the Paragon Council, rather than an inferior galactic position.

Where the Paragon Council suffers fewer fleet losses against the Geth, the Human Council sees a galaxy arms race that rebuilds the strength. If the Terminus historically hates the Paragon Council, it still has an open mind in ME2 towards the new Human Council.

While the Paragon Council has cooperation and flexibility, the alien races don't recognize the threat and muzzle the Alliance.
While the Renegade Council is isolated and not believed, it's actively preparing as much as it can from its position of strength.


That alone would have gone a long way towards making the Renegade position equal in terms of the biggest choice of ME1, without making both the same disbelieving Council.


Other Renegade choices that seemed bad/indifferent at the time could also have provided forms of equalization.

On Feros, the death of the Human colony could have seen the Alliance focus more on the defensibility of future colonies rather than the more rapid, risky development. More Alliance patrols, larger garrisons, all with the view towards allowing colonies to hold out for longer. Fewer but stronger colonies.

On Noveria, the destruction of the Rachni Queen, and the subsequent coverup of the Rachni, could have led to the Alliance/Council blackmailing the Noveria corporations. Whereas a Paragon Spectre loosing the Queen makes the Council complicit in the risk, the 'kill the Queen' Spectre allows the Council/Alliance to twist arms or else leak the results. The Noveria Executive Board gives more technology at better rates, strengthening Council troops and fleets.

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GodWood wrote...

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People do realise you can use the intimidate option to verbally pwn the reporter right?
The way people bring that punch up you'd think it was the only renegade option available.

The intimidate option is a lot more satisfying/badass in both games.

Indeed, although overall I'd say the ME1's was better.
Calm, logical, quoting Machiavelli, what's not to love?

Oddly, I think Al'Jilani's cameo was one of the worst handled of the side-quest cameos. Especially after Hackett could tell you that you got on her good side in ME1, seeing her devolve from 'critic' to 'hack' was a letdown.

She was one of the few people who gave legitimate, touch questions in ME1, and a sleazy one-ball question in 2 was ridiculous.

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Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'm usually a bigger fan of intimidating folks than punching/interrupting them, everybody mentions how awesome it is to push the merc out the window but the intimidate option is just so much more sinister.


^ lololololol. The extent to which certain people on this site act like they're completely victimized by everybody else is absolutely ridiculous.

$1000 cash prize if you can find me one person on here who's ever said that using Intimidate on that merc is so much more sinister. (As of this challenge).

While you're looking, here's a post that praises that very line! ... 
http://social.biowar...3/index/8810067 

Using the indimidate option for that merc is much more sinister.


Now, since I have said that as of your challenge, can I get my money?

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

GodWood wrote...
People do realise you can use the intimidate option to verbally pwn the reporter right?
The way people bring that punch up you'd think it was the only renegade option available.

The intimidate option is a lot more satisfying/badass in both games.

Indeed, although overall I'd say the ME1's was better.
Calm, logical, quoting Machiavelli, what's not to love?

Oddly, I think Al'Jilani's cameo was one of the worst handled of the side-quest cameos. Especially after Hackett could tell you that you got on her good side in ME1, seeing her devolve from 'critic' to 'hack' was a letdown.

She was one of the few people who gave legitimate, touch questions in ME1, and a sleazy one-ball question in 2 was ridiculous.


It was ridiculous seeing her acting like that with a Shepard who sacrificed the council too. You'd think such a Shepard would gain her respect based on her apparent humancentric bias from ME1.

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Bad King wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'm usually a bigger fan of intimidating folks than punching/interrupting them, everybody mentions how awesome it is to push the merc out the window but the intimidate option is just so much more sinister.


^ lololololol. The extent to which certain people on this site act like they're completely victimized by everybody else is absolutely ridiculous.


How was he acting like he was victimised? He simply expressed his preference for intimidation over renegade interrupts.


Are you being coy, or are just that stupid?

Here, read it out loud once. See if you can connect the dots as to where "everybody" is supposedly making out the alternative renegade option as being somehow evil. Because hey, people on this site just have it out for all renegade players, right? Even if no such posts where ever made.

Modifié par Hah Yes Reapers, 19 décembre 2011 - 10:01 .


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Dean_the_Young wrote... 
Using the indimidate option for that merc is much more sinister.


Now, since I have said that as of your challenge, can I get my money?



Please re-read the specifications:
1.) Find a post, not produce one.
2.) Said post be written as of the challenge, not after.

... and I absolutely knew someone would try that.

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Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote... 
Using the indimidate option for that merc is much more sinister.


Now, since I have said that as of your challenge, can I get my money?



Please re-read the specifications:
1.) Find a post, not produce one.
2.) Said post be written as of the challenge, not after.

... and I absolutely knew someone would try that.

1) I found Dean's post, he has found mine.
2) You said "ever", not "in the past".

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John Renegade wrote...

1) I found Dean's post, he has found mine.
2) You said "ever", not "in the past".

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Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

$1000 cash prize if you can find me one person on here who's ever said that using Intimidate on that merc is so much more sinister. (As of this challenge).



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Hah Yes Reapers wrote...
 (As of this challenge).

Maybe my knowledge of english sucks, but couldn't that mean anything?

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Northing new here.

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Thompson family wrote...

Northing new here.

It seems the responsibility falls upon you to change that.Image IPB

Modifié par John Renegade, 19 décembre 2011 - 10:11 .


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Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote... 
Using the indimidate option for that merc is much more sinister.


Now, since I have said that as of your challenge, can I get my money?



Please re-read the specifications:
1.) Find a post, not produce one.

They aren't mutually exclusive.

2.) Said post be written as of the challenge, not after.

... and I absolutely knew someone would try that.

Since 'as of' means after, it would probably be because that's what you said.

So, $1000 bucks or your a welcher.

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John Renegade wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...
 (As of this challenge).

Maybe my knowledge of english sucks, but couldn't that mean anything?


It means, no posts made after the challenge are valid. And posts made before it that have been editted are DQ'd.

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That's not what it means.


But, since you insist...

I found Dave's post.

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Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

John Renegade wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...
 (As of this challenge).

Maybe my knowledge of english sucks, but couldn't that mean anything?


It means, no posts made after the challenge are valid. And posts made before it that have been editted are DQ'd.

EDIT: Nevermind.

Modifié par John Renegade, 19 décembre 2011 - 10:14 .


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Dean_the_Young wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote... 
Using the indimidate option for that merc is much more sinister.


Now, since I have said that as of your challenge, can I get my money?



Please re-read the specifications:
1.) Find a post, not produce one.

They aren't mutually exclusive.

2.) Said post be written as of the challenge, not after.

... and I absolutely knew someone would try that.

Since 'as of' means after, it would probably be because that's what you said.

So, $1000 bucks or your a welcher.


If you want to get technical, "as of" can mean both (already written, written after). Regardless - my challenge, my rules.

*edit* - if you want to get that technical, it's also made clear that this challenge is not open to the public.

Modifié par Hah Yes Reapers, 19 décembre 2011 - 10:21 .


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Dean_the_Young wrote...

Especially after Hackett could tell you that you got on her good side in ME1, seeing her devolve from 'critic' to 'hack' was a letdown.


Hackett never says that.  He will say you made her look like a fool though, and that other parties in the Alliance command were pleased with your performance.

Modifié par didymos1120, 19 décembre 2011 - 10:20 .


#222
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Which I still beat.

Of course, you still move goal posts once again, but we've already established you're a welcher, welcher.

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didymos1120 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Especially after Hackett could tell you that you got on her good side in ME1, seeing her devolve from 'critic' to 'hack' was a letdown.


Hackett never says that.  He will say you made her look like a fool though, and that other parties in the Alliance command were pleased with your performance.

Are you sure? I don't remember the fool part, but I thought you got on her good side if you generally took the Renegade persuades.

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Renegade Shep is a joke.

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I never used the Renegade interupt or intimidation on the Merc (Thane Recruitment mission?), largely because I don't do intimidation. I use Charm (Is a little bit of information REALLY worth dying for? Is Nassana?). Works all the time.