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[Ryzaki]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I can understand that, but I think some of that comes down to limitations of the game system: The game doesn't tag certain people as "innocent," for example, and when you kill them change the dialog for Leliana and Alistair; that would probably require an inordinate amount of work. Gameplay mechanic at work. Though you DO have a point.

And because I'm a grammar SS Agent, I fel compelled to tell you that when using brackets or curly braces, you go it DEscending order, not AScending order. Example: {[()]}

I don't think so. How difficult would it have been to put an extra condition on a dialogue choice? I.E. Warden goes to kill mages/elves and Leliana/Alistair butt in with a "How could you! You're not the person I thought you were!" *Romance Ended cannot be restarted approval set at Zero*. there are already lines that do that if the PC picks them. This would just add more and place them outside of Leliana's/Alistair's dialogue tree. And if they're not in the party simply have them confront the Pc about it (like Wynne or Leliana do about the Urn).

Heck I think there's a romance mod that does that (course this only works with the modded romance and not BW Lis). If you make too many choices the character doesn't agree with he dumps you. It's not out of the realm of possibility for the GMs. The devs just didn't put it in. probably because it's annoying and limiting and the devs put player fun over character consistency.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 décembre 2011 - 09:04 .

[Ravensword]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

We're gonna need some red Kool-Aid mixed w/ some Talisweat.

Sounds good. You fetch the sweat; I'll get us some blunts. We'll need some of them too.

Oh lawd, I'm backing out now. *flees Raven and Cthulhu's sexytime*

You're not going anywhere.

[kumquats]

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

OseH57 wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

True it is only a game. But why is the gayness  needed in our video games.<_<

"Our" video games? Whose? I don't think there's any exclusivity in the video games market when they are released to retailers.

Can we all be firends and agree to live and let male!Shepherd make out with Kaidan now? <3

There is a secret innitiation for all the true gamers. It's a game of so much epicness, when you play it for the first time, your gaming virginity is gone.

Everyone who knows which game I'm talking about, gets a cookie. But I don't hold my breath that you n00bs even know which one.

So yeah, we gamers don't give a **** about s/s options. We play games, to have fun. More options = more fun. We have a rather simple mind.

[Ravensword]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

We're gonna need some red Kool-Aid mixed w/ some Talisweat.

Sounds good. You fetch the sweat; I'll get us some blunts. We'll need some of them too.

Oh lawd, I'm backing out now. *flees Raven and Cthulhu's sexytime*

Now, don't do that. The more the merrier.

You'll ruin everything.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Ryzaki wrote...

True enough. I got enough tragedy in DA2 to last me a lifetime though.

Indeed. :/ I must say though, despite the tragedy in DA2 I didn't even cry, which is weird for me. I cry in movies at the drop of a hat and DA:O had me going for the tissues.

I don't get it. How does that answer the question?

Sorry, the way it was phrased made me assume it was rhetorical. Let me requote!

My issue is how do you decide orientation makes sense? How does someone make sense to be gay or straight or bisexual?

IRL, this is a question that's been asked and 'answered' and been around so long I don't know how I can add to it. In a game, it's simple characterisation. Zevran, for instance, emphasizes his upbringing and training have accustomed him to being open to lovers of both genders, yet if asked he will still candidly admit that he thinks he prefers female partners. This will not, however, stop him from falling in love with a male Warden. Leliana had similar (to use the term loosely) training as a bard in that she had to be able to pretend to please her targets, male and female. Alistair, given to the templars, was possibly educated to believe love is between a man and woman.

How a character is sexually orientated is up to the writer. Sometimes there's a reason, sometimes it changed, sometimes it's just 'how the character is'. It doesn't have to be dramatic or secret or shameful, but like any other detail (such as being allergic to cats) it can add a little bit more shape to a character and influence how they react to others.

Why does this matter more than my Warden being someone Alistair wouldn't touch with a twenty foot pole if she wasn't the PC? Heck my PC can act exactly like Morrigan save being nice to Alistair and all of a sudden he's in true love? Why aren't people clamoring for this sense in all kinds of interaction and not just orientation? That's what bugs me.

It doesn't matter more to me, I've snarked on topics like this in the past, I assure you. XD Lots of dialogue and interaction points bug me.

But, in an attempt to answer, love's a funny thing. You only have to look at the romance threads on these forums to see just how emotionally invested some people will get with characters they become attached to, and some will fight tooth and nail against any slight. Romance mods are incredibly popular, and people get upset when their LIs from DA:O don't preserve romance flags.

In fact, I would be interested to see a poll to determine if peoples' favourite characters were in fact their LIs. It's a little depressing perhaps, but that's how it is.

[Ryzaki]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
Well I CAN understand your point, and I guess the devs just weren't thinking about it that much, or were lazy.

I suspect the fans have put FAR more thought into everything about DA, or ME, than than the devs have.

Not sure about that seeing as they placed plenty of other ways for them to dump the PC. I'm thinking they just placed player convience and fun over the character's constiency. I'd do the same.

We probably have.

[Ryzaki]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Indeed. :/ I must say though, despite the tragedy in DA2 I didn't even cry, which is weird for me. I cry in movies at the drop of a hat and DA:O had me going for the tissues.

Eh DA2 didn't make me cry either. Unless you count tears of rage at that lame ending.

Sorry, the way it was phrased made me assume it was rhetorical. Let me requote!

Ah my bad.

IRL, this is a question that's been asked and 'answered' and been around so long I don't know how I can add to it. In a game, it's simple characterisation. Zevran, for instance, emphasizes his upbringing and training have accustomed him to being open to lovers of both genders, yet if asked he will still candidly admit that he thinks he prefers female partners. This will not, however, stop him from falling in love with a male Warden. Leliana had similar (to use the term loosely) training as a bard in that she had to be able to pretend to please her targets, male and female. Alistair, given to the templars, was possibly educated to believe love is between a man and woman.

How a character is sexually orientated is up to the writer. Sometimes there's a reason, sometimes it changed, sometimes it's just 'how the character is'. It doesn't have to be dramatic or secret or shameful, but like any other detail (such as being allergic to cats) it can add a little bit more shape to a character and influence how they react to others.

And why can't we just assume for DA2 it "just how the characters were."? 

I see your point even if I don't agree. Mostly because some of those reasons can lead to unfortunate implications. I rather facepalm at my screen if I can help it.

It doesn't matter more to me, I've snarked on topics like this in the past, I assure you. XD Lots of dialogue and interaction points bug me.

But, in an attempt to answer, love's a funny thing. You only have to look at the romance threads on these forums to see just how emotionally invested some people will get with characters they become attached to, and some will fight tooth and nail against any slight. Romance mods are incredibly popular, and people get upset when their LIs from DA:O don't preserve romance flags.

In fact, I would be interested to see a poll to determine if peoples' favourite characters were in fact their LIs. It's a little depressing perhaps, but that's how it is.

Creeps me out a bit is what it does. "YOU CAN'T HAVE/HARM MY LI!".

Creeeeepy.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 décembre 2011 - 09:13 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Ryzaki wrote...
How difficult would it have been to put an extra condition on a dialogue choice? I.E. Warden goes to kill mages/elves and Leliana/Alistair butt in with a "How could you! You're not the person I thought you were!" *Romance Ended cannot be restarted approval set at Zero*. there are already lines that do that if the PC picks them. This would just add more and place them outside of Leliana's/Alistair's dialogue tree. And if they're not in the party simply have them confront the Pc about it (like Wynne or Leliana do about the Urn).

That would have been awesome. I suppose that wasn't how they wanted the Friendship/Rivalry thing to work though.

[OseH57]

kumquats wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

OseH57 wrote...

PinkDiamondstl wrote...

True it is only a game. But why is the gayness  needed in our video games.<_<

"Our" video games? Whose? I don't think there's any exclusivity in the video games market when they are released to retailers.

Can we all be friends and agree to live and let male!Shepherd make out with Kaidan live now? <3

There is a secret innitiation for all the true gamers. It's a game of so much epicness, when you play it for the first time, your gaming virginity is gone.

Everyone who knows which game I'm talking about, gets a cookie. But I don't hold my breath that you n00bs even know which one.

So yeah, we gamers don't give a **** about s/s options. We play games, to have fun. More options = more fun. We have a rather simple mind.

Eloquently put. My thoughts exactly, in a more simple and plainly said manner.

[Ravensword]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Yeah, I guess.

Thank you for your consent.

[Ryzaki]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
That would have been awesome. I suppose that wasn't how they wanted the Friendship/Rivalry thing to work though.

Friendship rivalry? I don't recall DAO having that!

I would've liked F/R more if it hadn't lead to weird things.

[Ryzaki]

Ravensword wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Yeah, I guess.

Thank you for your consent.

*looks at Kasumi rape face, reads quote*

I'd run if I were you Eternal.

[kumquats]

ReconTeam wrote...

kumquats wrote...
Not everyone will be bisexual in ME3, so what's the problem?

It comes with being horribly cynical and jaded. Who is to say they won't make the same mistakes of DA2 in ME3? I think there is too much of a chance that they'll cave and make Ashley, Garrus and whoever else not planned, bi as well.

Okay, so modding Juhani is okay, because making an Lesbian character available for male romance is always okay? Then let's take a look at Vampire.

So the mod made Juhani avalible to MaleRevan? I never saw much of an attraction between Revan and Juhani in KOTOR, but it is a mod so I don't mind.

Vampire Masquerade, well the game in the original version was full of bugs and half of the NPCs were not available for both sexes, the patch fixed all the bugs and makes most of the NPC available for seduction for both sexes. The LI was always BI, but the game isn't that much about love then more about seduction.
So, in my opinion, the quality of the game was hugely improved by the patch.

Honestly, not having played the game I won't make any judgements. What was originally intended by the developers?

They don't, they already said they don't make everyone bi. It's a stupid as demanding to not have default friendships with all the Squadmates. You get what you want and still demand it. I WANT TURRETS FOR ENGINEERS. See what I did there?

The devs wanted male Vampires to not have alternative options to solve Quests and they wanted that you pay for blood all the time.
Females get additional options to solve Quests and get blood for free.

So how did the patch lower the quality of the game?
You said, making NPC alvailable for both sexes, lowers the quality of the game, or does it only lower the quality of the games you know?
Or does it only lower the quality of BW games? Or is it only bad if the romance is an uninteresting subplot and not part of the game mechanic? Or is it only okay for romances and not for seduction? I don't know.

[Bekkael]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Yeah, I guess.

Thank you for your consent.

Oh, Eternal's back in? Glad to hear it. *mixes the sweat with the kool-aid*

dis iz gonna b hella gud tbh

Stand aside. The fresh young lad is mine to corrupt.

On topic, this thread was entertaining to read.

[Ravensword]

Bekkael wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Yeah, I guess.

Thank you for your consent.

Oh, Eternal's back in? Glad to hear it. *mixes the sweat with the kool-aid*

dis iz gonna b hella gud tbh

Stand aside. The fresh young lad is mine to corrupt.

On topic, this thread was entertaining to read.

Oooh.



I like where this is going.

[Ravensword]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Yeah, I guess.

Thank you for your consent.

*looks at Kasumi rape face, reads quote*

I'd run if I were you Eternal.

You too? The more the merrier.