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[Kawamura]

Mental Surge wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Mental Surge wrote...

MJs gender is still up for debate.

Who?

Michael Jackson.

His gender was never up for debate. Unless you know something that I don't.

[Mental Surge]

Kawamura wrote...

Mental Surge wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Mental Surge wrote...

MJs gender is still up for debate.

Who?

Michael Jackson.

His gender was never up for debate. Unless you know something that I don't.

Then why do some people call him Miranda then?

Modifié par Mental Surge, 19 décembre 2011 - 03:20 .

[lxwkl31]

IsaacShep wrote...

Lol seriously slimgrin, nobody's buying you care about realism. It's obvious it's just your excuse to keep Ash and your other fav characterts from being "tainted" by the s/s

^This lol

[Kawamura]

Mental Surge wrote...

Then why does everyone call him Miranda then?

Oohhh! Now I get it. 

I'm sorry, I'm not very good at getting jokes. I'm a very socially awkward person IRL and the text makes it even harder. Especially when the jokes are thickheaded, unoriginal and not all that funny. 

I'm getting better. Usually it helps when peope add a silly little html thing like "/joke". 

[FoxHound109]

slimgrin wrote...

@foxhound109

Because it's adult content rarely covered in games and if you want to be condescending and post retarded Disney links do it somewhere else.

Except for the part where we have already discussed it about a million times. In a million threads past. And the S/S thread. And repeated character threads. Over and over. And over. And over again. It doesn't need any more discussion; there isn't even anything left to discuss at this point. We know nothing on the subject other than S/S romances are included. The threads basically degrade to the exact same thing too: a portion argues about story recon, another portion argues about character traits, another portion makes homophobic statements, another portion states they hate romances, another portion gets defensive and calls everyone homophobic even when they're not being homophobic, a TINY portion has logical debates, and I end up posting "retarded Disney links" (which I will continue to do, thank you very much).

Modifié par FoxHound109, 19 décembre 2011 - 03:25 .

[Mental Surge]

Kawamura wrote...

Mental Surge wrote...

Then why does everyone call him Miranda then?

Oohhh! Now I get it. 

I'm sorry, I'm not very good at getting jokes. I'm a very socially awkward person IRL and the text makes it even harder. Especially when the jokes are thickheaded, unoriginal and not all that funny. 

I'm getting better. Usually it helps when peope add a silly little html thing like "/joke". 

Whos joking?

[ravene]

I swore i wasent going to post in another one of these threads they always turn into 1 side vs the other and with neather side comming out looking like they are any better than the other.... and with that said wall of text incomming

With Biowares histroy and ill go all the way back to BG2
were if you played a guy you had 3 LI all fighting over you and if you played a girl you had 1 LI

nwn only rember hords LI think it was 1 each but could be wrong (ghost im not shure on)

In kortor you got 1 LI for each gender but guys got a kiss form bastila were as girls only got to stand across the distance from carth. I don't count the cat that was in there but not.

me1 enough said.

Moving on to DA you got equal numbers and options for all.

in DA2 you had everyone bi and 2 of each gender.

ME2 you had 3 each 2 humans one quarian for guys then a turian, drell and human for the girls + kelly and samira who wernt full romances. playing as fem shep with the amount of but and boob shots got old fast with the teenage fan service.

now do you all see where im going with this gaming has changed so much over the years that things are moving foward. I myself am just happy they are evening things out between genders and the S/S crowd is getting something

I only play as straight but dont want to deprive anyone who wants other options in their games.

[slimgrin]

Then leave the thread if it distresses you so much, FoxHound.

And IsaacShep...seriously dude, just come right and say it: I'm homophobic. Cause ya know all my posts on the matter just scream that.

Modifié par slimgrin, 19 décembre 2011 - 03:33 .

[Sundance31us]

Personally I don't mind s/s options in video games, if I don't feel like pursuing s/s during a pay through I don't initiate that dialogue with NPCs. It's really quite simple.

[jlb524]

@ravene

Yes, BW has been moving towards giving equal options in this area for everyone. I hope the days where the straight male PC gets more/better options than everyone else are over.

[FoxHound109]

slimgrin wrote...

Then leave the thread if it distresses you so much, foxhound.

That was my original intention...

...until you decided to engange me in MORTAL KOMBAT.

Now I think I'll stay. For the entertainment value.

[Ryzaki]

@Fox: lmao

That gif is perfect.

[lxwkl31]

Sundance31us wrote...

Personally I don't mind s/s options in video games, if I don't feel like pursuing s/s during a pay through I don't initiate that dialogue with NPCs. It's really quite simple.

I really wish more people were as sensible as you  

@fox your gif made me literally laugh out loud  

Modifié par lxwkl31, 19 décembre 2011 - 03:41 .

[Kawamura]

jlb524 wrote...

@ravene

Yes, BW has been moving towards giving equal options in this area for everyone. I hope the days where the straight male PC gets more/better options than everyone else are over.

I rather thought the way they did it in DA2 was quite nice. 

It's nice to be able to pick who you want your PC to pair off with without having to worry about the sex/gender/species of your PC. I don't mind there being problems (Anders' "Does it bother you? That I've been with men?" or the isses of interspecies sexual activity in ME2) and those problems being commented on. I liked DA2 because I could play a man and he could end up with the LI I liked best regardless of their sex. 

I really think that's more equal, that option to let you pick up the romance with whomever you pick. And I think it's the most in line with the idea of customization. I'm not as much a fan of the DA:O version where you had the MSW, WSM, the MSMW and WSMW. Yes, it ended up that both male and female having equal numbers of same sex and opposite sex LI's, but I dunno that equal numbers is necessarily the best way, you know?

I dunno. tl;dr, I really liked what they did in DA2. I wish they would do something like that for ME3. 

[Ryzaki]

jlb524 wrote...

@ravene

Yes, BW has been moving towards giving equal options in this area for everyone. I hope the days where the straight male PC gets more/better options than everyone else are over.

Same.

[Mental Surge]

I dont care all that much about this but I will say that the way DA2 did it, was really annoying and lazy.

[FoxHound109]

Ryzaki wrote...

@Fox: lmao

That gif is perfect.

Yay! Someone with a sense of humor! <3

And for the UBER serious ones:

[shepskisaac]

slimgrin wrote...

And IsaacShep...seriously dude, just come right and say it: I'm homophobic. Cause ya know all my posts on the matter just scream that.

Your posts scream "I don't mind gay but I don't really want it to be my BFF/girlfriend who comes out of the closet". That's more of a selfishness & insecurity thing than homophobia.

[slimgrin]

Mental Surge wrote...

I dont care all that much about this but I will say that the way DA2 did it, was really annoying and lazy.

A lot of people think that.

Jesus Foxhound we get it, enough already.

Modifié par slimgrin, 19 décembre 2011 - 03:47 .

[jlb524]

IsaacShep wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

And IsaacShep...seriously dude, just come right and say it: I'm homophobic. Cause ya know all my posts on the matter just scream that.

Your posts scream "I don't mind gay but I don't really want it to be my BFF/girlfriend who comes out of the closet". That's more of a selfishness & insecurity thing than homophobia.

This.

It's similar to "Don't give the option to kill my fave character off!  He/She must live on in everyone's playthrough because the thought of him/her possibly dying in someone else's game KILLS ME!"

[Ryzaki]

jlb524 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

And IsaacShep...seriously dude, just come right and say it: I'm homophobic. Cause ya know all my posts on the matter just scream that.

Your posts scream "I don't mind gay but I don't really want it to be my BFF/girlfriend who comes out of the closet". That's more of a selfishness & insecurity thing than homophobia.

This.

It's similar to "Don't give the option to kill my fave character off!  He/She must live on in everyone's playthrough because the thought of him/her possibly dying in someone else's game KILLS ME!"

Oh god that attitude makes me headdesk. Not as much as the "Don't give the option to be mean to my favie character! He/she is perfect and everyone's PC MUST LOVE HER LIKE MINE DOES!"

Bleh.

Ugh. Why does anyone give a damn what happens in someone else's game I'll never understand.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 décembre 2011 - 03:50 .

[Kawamura]

Mental Surge wrote...

I dont care all that much about this but I will say that the way DA2 did it, was really annoying and lazy.

I don't agree. Maybe I'd see it that way if the romances were written entirely gender neutral and never, ever included a reference to the PC's sex. Maybe if they never used pronouns.

[DiebytheSword]

Kawamura wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

You shouldn't lose any if you can find the right words, unless the person is militantly gay and doesn't understand why you would possibly be straight.  Anyone who is homosexual knows this, it is unrealistic to punish the player for saying no to a romance, regardless of sexuality, when that romance has not started.  It is equally unrealistic to not have an option to politely state your preference.  I have had gay freinds proposition me before, and I am still freinds with them to this day, having turned them down nicely.  I've also had that same situation done straight, and I am still freinds with those girls who did not succesefully gain my attention.  Unless their point was that Anders was incredibly egocentric and terrbily poor at managing his expectations, then there was no point. 

Every advance turned down should have punished the player then, regardless of character, regarless of persuation.  While true that Anders penalized you male or female, it was still a stupid idea, and it offended me on my Lady Hawke playthrough first.

It depends on the person, not their sexual orientation. 

Losing friendship points isn't being punished, though. It's a way of catagorizing responses using a rather simplified system. You can be polite, but just because you're polite doesn't mean a person won't be hurt. 

Say I ask my best friend out and they're not interested. They tell me that as kindly and politely as possible. Because they're my friend, they know exactly the right thing to say to minimize the damage. Note the word "minimize".  I still feel hurt. Not because they were rude or because I think I have some sort of right to date them or because I'm egocentric. It's disappointment. I worked up the courage to ask them, so I've already started to kinda imagine what it'll be like, yada yada, and they told me "no".  I'm going to like my friend a little less for awhile. 

That's not a thing about sexuality. The story doesn't really change depending on the sexes involved (although if it's a same sex pal, I might feel complicated emotions dealing with how I view my own sexual orientation and all that, but that can be ignored for the moment). And it's certainly not me punishing my friend. It's me responding to something that hurt by being hurt. 

Note that my friend turning me down (and your Hawke turning Anders down) didn't kill the friendship. It lost a few points. That you can gain back by doing things, like gifting a vuvuzela or freeing mages. I'll let you figure out who wants what.

You seem to have some mistaken idea that I'm against s/s relationships, or that people should not have some kind of injury to their feelings after being rejected.  I am not.  I also don't care for 99% of the arguments against having s/s characters in ME3.  I outright reject religious grounds and bigoted answers, and don't see the point in so called logical arguments, which I pointed to in my first post.

I am against idiotic responses in dialogue and completely unrealistic responses from a character.  He flirts with you once, and you turn him down, and he gets hurt.  The amount of points is incosequential, it can add fuel to a fire on a metric that would make him turn on you (granted he does anyway), but that's not the point.  The point is the situation is forced, unrealistic, poorly represented and generally not done well.

And while it may have some air of realism to it, it should have been implemented for all characters, not just Anders.  And the reality is, he should have been more careful approaching a same sex relationship, as it carries a significant risk when you haven't flirted with him or dropped any signals whatsoever. 

In short, I get people who complain about him, but not because the relationship could be s/s..

[Ryzaki]

@DbtS: Wait...what? Anders turning on Hawke isn't relevant to friendship/rivalry (well not till end game and in that case he'll only potentially turn on Hawke if Hawke's not a rival).

I'm confused.