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[slimgrin]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ugh. Why does anyone give a damn what happens in someone else's game I'll never understand.

It's all happening in the same copy everyone gets. There is no 'someone else's game.'

Modifié par slimgrin, 19 décembre 2011 - 03:55 .

[Mental Surge]

Kawamura wrote...

Mental Surge wrote...

I dont care all that much about this but I will say that the way DA2 did it, was really annoying and lazy.

I don't agree. Maybe I'd see it that way if the romances were written entirely gender neutral and never, ever included a reference to the PC's sex. Maybe if they never used pronouns.

lmao

[Kawamura]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

It depends on the person, not their sexual orientation. 

Losing friendship points isn't being punished, though. It's a way of catagorizing responses using a rather simplified system. You can be polite, but just because you're polite doesn't mean a person won't be hurt. 

Say I ask my best friend out and they're not interested. They tell me that as kindly and politely as possible. Because they're my friend, they know exactly the right thing to say to minimize the damage. Note the word "minimize".  I still feel hurt. Not because they were rude or because I think I have some sort of right to date them or because I'm egocentric. It's disappointment. I worked up the courage to ask them, so I've already started to kinda imagine what it'll be like, yada yada, and they told me "no".  I'm going to like my friend a little less for awhile. 

That's not a thing about sexuality. The story doesn't really change depending on the sexes involved (although if it's a same sex pal, I might feel complicated emotions dealing with how I view my own sexual orientation and all that, but that can be ignored for the moment). And it's certainly not me punishing my friend. It's me responding to something that hurt by being hurt. 

Note that my friend turning me down (and your Hawke turning Anders down) didn't kill the friendship. It lost a few points. That you can gain back by doing things, like gifting a vuvuzela or freeing mages. I'll let you figure out who wants what.

You seem to have some mistaken idea that I'm against s/s relationships, or that people should not have some kind of injury to their feelings after being rejected.  I am not.  I also don't care for 99% of the arguments against having s/s characters in ME3.  I outright reject religious grounds and bigoted answers, and don't see the point in so called logical arguments, which I pointed to in my first post.

I am against idiotic responses in dialogue and completely unrealistic responses from a character.  He flirts with you once, and you turn him down, and he gets hurt.  The amount of points is incosequential, it can add fuel to a fire on a metric that would make him turn on you (granted he does anyway), but that's not the point.  The point is the situation is forced, unrealistic, poorly represented and generally not done well.

And while it may have some air of realism to it, it should have been implemented for all characters, not just Anders.  And the reality is, he should have been more careful approaching a same sex relationship, as it carries a significant risk when you haven't flirted with him or dropped any signals whatsoever. 

In short, I get people who complain about him, but not because the relationship could be s/s..

Where in my post did I suggest you had a problem with s/s pairings?

What's the unrealistic response he has?

Why should it have been implemented for all characters? Do all characters (or people) respond to the same thing in the same way?  Why should he have been more careful? 

Modifié par Kawamura, 19 décembre 2011 - 03:55 .

[jlb524]

DiebytheSword wrote...
And while it may have some air of realism to it, it should have been implemented for all characters, not just Anders.  And the reality is, he should have been more careful approaching a same sex relationship, as it carries a significant risk when you haven't flirted with him or dropped any signals whatsoever. 

He should have been more careful approaching an opposite sex relationship with a woman he recently witnessed fry a bunch of Templars with her mind*!  Heavy risk...

*or stabbed them...whatever you prefer.

[BlueMagitek]

Eh, Liara spends a good chunk of ME 2 away from combat anyway, so her plot armor there is pretty legit.

But favoritism aside, I thought we were talking about Joker? Any chance Mordin finished his solution to Vopler's?

Pretty sure I spelled that wrong. ~_^

EDIT:

Man, I thought I was in a different topic.  My bad, forget about Joker. ~_^

Modifié par BlueMagitek, 19 décembre 2011 - 03:56 .

[lxwkl31]

slimgrin wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Ugh. Why does anyone give a damn what happens in someone else's game I'll never understand.

It's all happening in the same copy everyone gets. There is no 'someone else's game.'

No. The option is there but not everyone takes it... It's pretty simple. Like not everyone saved the rachni or killed wrex....

[slimgrin]

Until they play the game more than once.

[shepskisaac]

slimgrin wrote...

Until they play the game more than once.

How does that force anyone to go for a s/s romance lol?

[lxwkl31]

slimgrin wrote...

Until they play the game more than once.

But you get what she's saying right? No confusion? It's difficult to understand, I know. It took me a while. 

[jlb524]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

It's similar to "Don't give the option to kill my fave character off!  He/She must live on in everyone's playthrough because the thought of him/her possibly dying in someone else's game KILLS ME!"

I've seen practically nobody ever saying that. It's more the wanting to kill the unkillable character (seen way too many "I hate Liara's plot armour" complaints) than the other way around.

I don't know...I think some will be upset if Liara's plot armor goes away.  It just hasn't happened yet.

I think I recall some complaining that Tali/Garrus could die in ME2...but that was on the old forum.

slimgrin wrote...
Until they play the game more than once.

Some replay the game and make the same choices especially when it comes to romance option.

No one is forcing you to replay the game and to do every possible permutation of a romance subplot even if you don't like that particular subplot.

Modifié par jlb524, 19 décembre 2011 - 04:04 .

[Mental Surge]

jlb524 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

It's similar to "Don't give the option to kill my fave character off!  He/She must live on in everyone's playthrough because the thought of him/her possibly dying in someone else's game KILLS ME!"

I've seen practically nobody ever saying that. It's more the wanting to kill the unkillable character (seen way too many "I hate Liara's plot armour" complaints) than the other way around.

I don't know...I think some will be upset if Liara's plot armor goes away.  It just hasn't happened yet.

I think I recall some complaining that Tali/Garrus could die in ME2...but that was on the old forum.

I HIGHLY doubt that. It is only fair and makes sense.

[Kawamura]

jlb524 wrote...


I don't know...I think some will be upset if Liara's plot armor goes away.  It just hasn't happened yet.

I think I recall some complaining that Tali/Garrus could die in ME2...but that was on the old forum.

I think part of the complaining thing is the fear that your favourite won't get a big part in the next story. Chances are, if you can kill the character, they're probably not going to be integral later on. 

There are, of course, exceptions. 

[lxwkl31]

IsaacShep wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Until they play the game more than once.

How does that force anyone to go for a s/s romance lol?

Exactly! Who accidentally engages in a same-sex romance? Or any romance at all! I mean, I think you'd be able to see the conversation turn in that direction early on.....

[jlb524]

Kawamura wrote...

I think part of the complaining thing is the fear that your favourite won't get a big part in the next story. Chances are, if you can kill the character, they're probably not going to be integral later on. 

There are, of course, exceptions. 

Yeah, that makes sense with Tali/Garrus in ME2.

It won't matter with Liara in ME3 (if she can die) as that's it for the series...we'll have to see how that goes, I guess.

[lxwkl31]

jlb524 wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

I think part of the complaining thing is the fear that your favourite won't get a big part in the next story. Chances are, if you can kill the character, they're probably not going to be integral later on. 

There are, of course, exceptions. 

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Yeah, that makes sense with Tali/Garrus in ME2.

It won't matter with Liara in ME3 (if she can die) as that's it for the series...we'll have to see how that goes, I guess.

I thought it was just the end for Shepard. Unless I'm mistaken.

[Mental Surge]

lxwkl31 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

I think part of the complaining thing is the fear that your favourite won't get a big part in the next story. Chances are, if you can kill the character, they're probably not going to be integral later on. 

There are, of course, exceptions. 

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Yeah, that makes sense with Tali/Garrus in ME2.

It won't matter with Liara in ME3 (if she can die) as that's it for the series...we'll have to see how that goes, I guess.

I thought it was just the end for Shepard. Unless I'm mistaken.

Shepard and all the characters.

Modifié par Mental Surge, 19 décembre 2011 - 04:11 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

But what about my other point, what about giving the writers an opportunity to send a message here?

Then they should send a non-hateful message.  One that says, hey, guess what, I'm a person, too.  I'm not some stupid stereotype, I'm a real goddamn person.

Eh, you weren't trying to portray a stereotypical bipolar on here?

[Kawamura]

lxwkl31 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

I think part of the complaining thing is the fear that your favourite won't get a big part in the next story. Chances are, if you can kill the character, they're probably not going to be integral later on. 

There are, of course, exceptions. 

.
Yeah, that makes sense with Tali/Garrus in ME2.

It won't matter with Liara in ME3 (if she can die) as that's it for the series...we'll have to see how that goes, I guess.

I thought it was just the end for Shepard. Unless I'm mistaken.

It's the end of that trilogy. If they're making quite a lot of money off of the series, I can imagine them considering other things, game and not, set in the same universe. 

And Asari can live up to a thousand years. Liara, if she lives, still has just under nine centuries left of content she can be in. 

[FoxHound109]

slimgrin wrote...

Until they play the game more than once.

Then your manShep gets a gay parasite that takes over his body and he is forced to engage in wild homosexual encounters as the Reapers destroy the galaxy!



...or something like that, right?

[lxwkl31]

Kawamura wrote...

It's the end of that trilogy. If they're making quite a lot of money off of the series, I can imagine them considering other things, game and not, set in the same universe. 

And Asari can live up to a thousand years. Liara, if she lives, still has just under nine centuries left of content she can be in. 

 I hope so! Liara is one of my favorites. Do you know how she can possibly die? I haven't heard this!

[Mental Surge]

lxwkl31 wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

It's the end of that trilogy. If they're making quite a lot of money off of the series, I can imagine them considering other things, game and not, set in the same universe. 

And Asari can live up to a thousand years. Liara, if she lives, still has just under nine centuries left of content she can be in. 

 I hope so! Liara is one of my favorites. Do you know how she can possibly die? I haven't heard this!

I know she can apparently die in at least one way. It involves the VS. 

Modifié par Mental Surge, 19 décembre 2011 - 04:19 .

[Kawamura]

FoxHound109 wrote...


Then your manShep gets a gay parasite that takes over his body and he is forced to engage in wild homosexual encounters as the Reapers destroy the galaxy!

Ok

And I don't know if she can die. I was just saying I understand why, if people really like Liara, they don't want an option to kill her if there's possibly more stuff coming. 

EDIT: Damn, I ruined my url!

Modifié par Kawamura, 19 décembre 2011 - 04:23 .

[lxwkl31]

Mental Surge wrote...

lxwkl31 wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

It's the end of that trilogy. If they're making quite a lot of money off of the series, I can imagine them considering other things, game and not, set in the same universe. 

And Asari can live up to a thousand years. Liara, if she lives, still has just under nine centuries left of content she can be in. 

 I hope so! Liara is one of my favorites. Do you know how she can possibly die? I haven't heard this!

I know she can apparently die in at least one way. It involves the VS. 

Lol That scares me! If I can save her I will!!  

[FoxHound109]

I'm pretty sure that, maybe Vega aside, most of the squad will be up for death. Favoritism or not, they might just be willing to kill off everyone, Shakespeare style.