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[Lotion Soronarr]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Indeed.  TIM considers all casualties acceptable as long as he gets what he wants, flippantly risks all lives but his own, and no longer understands the difference between the human species / civization, the Cerberus organization, and himself.  ("Cerberus is humanity!  Derp!")

I love it how people stretch that single sentance into infintiy and derive form it whatever they want.
Even tough it can be interpreted and seen in a dozen different ways...

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I love it how people stretch that single sentance into infintiy and derive form it whatever they want.
Even tough it can be interpreted and seen in a dozen different ways...

Coming from the man who's always mindful of what he's saying and trying to keep his emotional expressions in check, it's kind of a big deal when that outbrust erupts.

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Coming from the man who's always mindful of what he's saying and trying to keep his emotional expressions in check, it's kind of a big deal when that outbrust erupts.

He says it when he's pleased and isn't furious too.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 21 décembre 2011 - 07:59 .

[didymos1120]

Andorfiend wrote...

And those projects led directly to the destruction of several colonies, and could have led to the total destruction of humanity by letting feral Rachni loose in the shipping lanes.

Without a queen to make more rachni?  No, not bloody likely, that.

Likewise the research project on the Dead Reaper didn't accomplish a damn thing, besides give you some Husks to fight when you went aboard to get Iff for yourself. At most they saved you a few minutes, at the expense of dozens of lives.

Um, yeah, you just picked up the IFF.  The Cerberus team are the ones who figured out where it was, extracted it, and left it out for you to grab. Not to mention, installed all that handy infrastructure that allowed you to move around in there and figured out where the Reaper was in the first place.

Hell, Cerberus procedures are so sloppy they completely missed a Mech virus that their factory then spread across the galaxy resulting in the loss of a factory, space station, and cargo ship that we know of, and presumably billions of dollars in lost revenue and clean up costs. I'd lay odds it was an STG project theat created the virus, but the fact remains that they fell for it.

Um, that had absolutely nothing to do with Cerberus at all.  That was a completely self-contained sidequest involving Hahne-Kedar. And what's this STG nonsense? There's not even the barest hint of any such thing. As far as the other N7 assignments in ME2, only one involves actual Cerberus operations: Lost Operative (No, Firewalker doesn't count.  That's it's own thing. Nor does the fact that sometimes they provided you intel on some of the quest chains).

[Lotion Soronarr]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Luc0s wrote...
Actually:

Studying Sovereign -> created Thanix Cannon -> helped in succesfully destroying the Collectors.
Result: SUCCES!

Studying deleric reaper -> found reaper IFF -> made going past the Omega 4 relay possible.
Result: SUCCES!

Studying object Rho -> found out about early reaper arrival -> gave Shepard the chance to stop the arrival.
Result: SUCCES!


But wait, there is more:

Studying reaper tech by TIM -> created tech that allowed to ressurect people -> start of Project Lazarus, which revived Shepard.
Result: SUCCES!

Studying reaper tech from Grayson's body by Kahlee Sanders -> gave her a better understanding of indoctrination.
Result: SUCCES!

There is even more, but I have to go now. I'll list the others later.

And never mind the cost, in every case? 

Give the raper threat? Yes.

The derelict reaper -- lost the entire research team, only succeeded in recovering the IFF because of Shepard's intervention, Shepard and team almost die, IFF almost costs the Normandy, costs some portion of the crew on all playthroughs.

Adn it would have suceeded if TIM sent another team too.
Sheppard didn't find, identify and extract the IFF. teh researhc team did that. and placed it in a nice little box for Sheppard to pick up.
That's all Shep did. Pick it up.


And you're seing a pattern here. Heavy risk - but the Priiiize.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Indeed.  TIM considers all casualties acceptable as long as he gets what he wants, flippantly risks all lives but his own, and no longer understands the difference between the human species / civization, the Cerberus organization, and himself.  ("Cerberus is humanity!  Derp!")

I love it how people stretch that single sentance into infintiy and derive form it whatever they want.
Even tough it can be interpreted and seen in a dozen different ways...

So how do you intepret "Cerberus is humanity", if not as TIM saying that Cerberus and humanity are the same thing? 

Do I need to post the definition of "is"?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I love it how people stretch that single sentance into infintiy and derive form it whatever they want.
Even tough it can be interpreted and seen in a dozen different ways...

Coming from the man who's always mindful of what he's saying and trying to keep his emotional expressions in check, it's kind of a big deal when that outbrust erupts.

You call that an outburst?

No, not a big deal. Especially because it can be taken in many different ways.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

You call that an outburst?

No, not a big deal. Especially because it can be taken in many different ways.

Feel free to name a few.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Give the raper threat? Yes.

Um... I think that's a different game...


Seriously, though, it's funny how some people think "but the reapers!" is the ultimate response to any and all concerns.  Kinda reminds me of historical and current events in which a singular boogieman was used to justify any and all acts no matter how questionable or how in violation of our own standards and ideals.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 21 décembre 2011 - 08:07 .

[Wulfram]

Dave of Canada wrote...

He says it when he's pleased and isn't furious too.

He's still pissed off at Shepard for suggesting that Cerberus dominance isn't the same as human dominance

[Lotion Soronarr]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Indeed.  TIM considers all casualties acceptable as long as he gets what he wants, flippantly risks all lives but his own, and no longer understands the difference between the human species / civization, the Cerberus organization, and himself.  ("Cerberus is humanity!  Derp!")

I love it how people stretch that single sentance into infintiy and derive form it whatever they want.
Even tough it can be interpreted and seen in a dozen different ways...

So how do you intepret "Cerberus is humanity", if not as TIM saying that Cerberus and humanity are the same thing? 

Do I need to post the definition of "is"?

Cerberus are the guardians of humanity. Hence they are humanities future. (as it may very well depend on them).

Cerberus is humanity because it's goals are in favor of humanity.

No, I dont' see anything strnage in what he's saying, because people often do that.
For example, how many people on these forums have used the phrase "we, the fans"? A lot.
It's not uncommon for humans to identify with larger groups in conversations.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Indeed.  TIM considers all casualties acceptable as long as he gets what he wants, flippantly risks all lives but his own, and no longer understands the difference between the human species / civization, the Cerberus organization, and himself.  ("Cerberus is humanity!  Derp!")

I love it how people stretch that single sentance into infintiy and derive form it whatever they want.
Even tough it can be interpreted and seen in a dozen different ways...

So how do you intepret "Cerberus is humanity", if not as TIM saying that Cerberus and humanity are the same thing? 

Do I need to post the definition of "is"?

Cerberus are the guardians of humanity. Hence they are humanities future. (as it may very well depend on them).

Cerberus is humanity because it's goals are in favor of humanity.

Self-appointed and self-proclaimed, nothing more. 

[Dean_the_Young]

Dave of Canada wrote...

It wasn't.

Strictly speaking, Cerberus was involved.

Cerberus helped stop it.

[Seboist]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

It wasn't.

Strictly speaking, Cerberus was involved.

Cerberus helped stop it.

True, just like they helped prevent a Bloodpack invasion and put an end to Blue Suns raids on freighters.

Cerberus does good work.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Seboist wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

It wasn't.

Strictly speaking, Cerberus was involved.

Cerberus helped stop it.

True, just like they helped prevent a Bloodpack invasion and put an end to Blue Suns raids on freighters.

Cerberus does good work.

To what degree what that Cerberus, and to what degree was that just Shep doing what Shep does?

[Dean_the_Young]

It was Cerberus to the degree that Cerberus arms, moves, supplies, and enables Shepard.

[Killjoy Cutter]

I wish they'd done a bit more arming and supplying, so I hadn't spent much of ME2 scrounging for coins and ores...

[Killjoy Cutter]

jreezy wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Studying reaper tech by TIM -> created tech that allowed to ressurect people -> start of Project Lazarus, which revived Shepard.

Is there proof that this was a result of Reaper technology?

I've asked the same thing several times now, no response.

It seems to be an assumption on the part of the Cerberus fans.

[goofyomnivore]

Not in Mass Effect 2. Maybe in the leak? I don't recall honestly. However EDI is a good example of what Reaper tech can do, and it was based off scraps. Imagine the potential of intact parts or a whole base that isn't being stolen/fought over by everyone and their mother.

Modifié par strive, 21 décembre 2011 - 08:42 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

strive wrote...

Not in Mass Effect 2. Maybe in the leak? I don't recall honestly. However EDI is a good example of what Reaper tech can do, and she was based off scraps. Imagine the potential of intact parts or a whole base.

Then again, being based on scraps also greatly reduces the risk of the entire research team going cyberzombie...

[goofyomnivore]

A research team that you anticipate ending up being bad guys anyways. Heck how can you lose? They either do good work or they die.

Plus there isn't any indication that the Collector Base has any indoctrinating capabilities. Why would it? The Collectors are already controlled and the Reapers didn't intend anyone getting there.

Modifié par strive, 21 décembre 2011 - 08:47 .

[Someone With Mass]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

strive wrote...

Not in Mass Effect 2. Maybe in the leak? I don't recall honestly. However EDI is a good example of what Reaper tech can do, and she was based off scraps. Imagine the potential of intact parts or a whole base.

Then again, being based on scraps also greatly reduces the risk of the entire research team going cyberzombie...

Or the potential backfire of a complicated project. Which includes cyberzombies.

[Killjoy Cutter]

strive wrote...

A research team that you anticipate ending up being bad guys anyways. Heck how can you lose? They either do good work or they die.

I don't assume that every scientist, secretary, and janitor working for Cerberus is a villain.  I consider the loss of so many talented people working on various projects to be one of the reasons not to put any faith in Cerberus.