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[Dean_the_Young]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I wish they'd done a bit more arming and supplying, so I hadn't spent much of ME2 scrounging for coins and ores...

They give you billions in equipment and enough to accomplish the mission, and you're complaining about cantrips? 

[goofyomnivore]

I bet the souls who worked on obtaining the IFF are proud even if they did perish. They saved thousands of lives at they very least. That would of never happened if they didn't have faith in Cerberus.

[AVPen]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

strive wrote...

A research team that you anticipate ending up being bad guys anyways. Heck how can you lose? They either do good work or they die.

I don't assume that every scientist, secretary, and janitor working for Cerberus is a villain.  I consider the loss of so many talented people working on various projects to be one of the reasons not to put any faith in Cerberus.

Agreed - hell, the crew of the Normandy SR2 proved that in spades.

[Seboist]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

It was Cerberus to the degree that Cerberus arms, moves, supplies, and enables Shepard.

They supplied intel for those operations too.  My Shepard is very grateful for the help they provide.

[goofyomnivore]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I wish they'd done a bit more arming and supplying, so I hadn't spent much of ME2 scrounging for coins and ores...

They give you billions in equipment and enough to accomplish the mission, and you're complaining about cantrips? 

Maybe they were running low on credits from giving money to rebuild colonies that had been hit by the Collectors. But I guess it was irresponsible of them to not take care of all of Shepard's needs first bad Cerberus strikes again.

Modifié par strive, 21 décembre 2011 - 08:58 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Seriously, though, it's funny how some people think "but the reapers!" is the ultimate response to any and all concerns.  Kinda reminds me of historical and current events in which a singular boogieman was used to justify any and all acts no matter how questionable or how in violation of our own standards and ideals.

You do know who the Reapers are.... right?

And studying your enemy to find/exploit a weakness is hardly a disregarding of standard/ideals... Braving the risks involved with facing the enemy (and capturing their base instead of destroying it) certainly isn't either.

Those who want to avoid the Reapers have let fear compromise who they are.  We took and studied all things Collectors... but the Reapers are "ooo stay away, lets not even try to counter indoctrination and hope that the Reapers never use one of their primary weapons during the actual war."

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 21 décembre 2011 - 08:58 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Seboist wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

It was Cerberus to the degree that Cerberus arms, moves, supplies, and enables Shepard.

They supplied intel for those operations too.  My Shepard is very grateful for the help they provide.

I'd also ask everyone to compare the help everyone other organization/government/group in the galaxy provided by comparison... practically nothing?  Yeah.

[didymos1120]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

They give you billions in equipment and enough to accomplish the mission, and you're complaining about cantrips? 

Cantrips?  Not seeing how magic spells fit in here.

[Dean_the_Young]

didymos1120 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

They give you billions in equipment and enough to accomplish the mission, and you're complaining about cantrips? 

Cantrips?  Not seeing how magic spells fit in here.

The magic of upgrades, of course.

Though honestly, I was confused about some other fitting word that escapes me.

[Wulfram]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I'd also ask everyone to compare the help everyone other organization/government/group in the galaxy provided by comparison... practically nothing?  Yeah.

5% off Space Hamsters shouldn't be ignored.

Modifié par Wulfram, 21 décembre 2011 - 09:03 .

[Someone With Mass]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

I'd also ask everyone to compare the help everyone other organization/government/group in the galaxy provided by comparison... practically nothing?  Yeah.

Besides the intel that delayed the Reaper invasion? Not much.

Not that anyone gives a sh*t about the Terminus systems, anyway. I don't give a damn about the Terminus systems either.

[Killjoy Cutter]

jreezy wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Studying reaper tech by TIM -> created tech that allowed to ressurect people -> start of Project Lazarus, which revived Shepard.

Is there proof that this was a result of Reaper technology?

I've asked the same thing several times now, no response.

It seems to be an assumption on the part of the Cerberus fans.

I figured that might have been the case. I don't fault anyone for assuming it's true as long as they realize it is just that, an assumption; until proven otherwise.

Unfortunately, a few of our local Cerberus supporters do repeatedly cite Lazarus as related to researching reaper tech.

I wonder how they'd react if I assumed the EDI team, or the Thanix team, was all eventually indoctrinated and treated it as fact... even through there's no evidence to suggest anything for the sort...

EDIT: typo

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 21 décembre 2011 - 11:13 .

[Unschuld]

Equal consequences? What are those? No matter what happens in the end, some people will be upset and feel like they've been "shafted" if their desired consequences for their actions don't line up *exactly* where they think they should.

There should be a suitable victory/defeat for both sides. If any pure renegade expects a wonderful happy ending with rainbows and butterflies after callously slaughtering innocents, using other races as meatshields, and being an ass in general at every opportunity... well... please give a good reason why you'd expect that. The ending where Volus are dancing around a reaper corpse like Ewoks is something only paragons should get.

[Wulfram]

I think that my choices are totally right and should result in the best ending, while any deviation from this should result in disaster.

Woe to anyone who didn't tell the Turian councillor to go to hell, you have doomed the galaxy.

[didymos1120]

Luc0s wrote...
It's hinted in the same book that the same kind of reaper implants are used to ressurect Shepard in the Lazerus Project.

No, it's not hinted at all.  They'd never implanted anyone before Grayson with that stuff.  Also, they recovered it from the Collector Base (or what was left of it, since the book avoids specifying for obvious reasons).

[Someone With Mass]

If Shepard was implanted with Reaper tech, then I think Harbinger would have figured out a way to control him.

[TMA LIVE]

Someone With Mass wrote...

If Shepard was implanted with Reaper tech, then I think Harbinger would have figured out a way to control him.

I'm kind of surprised Shepard isn't already under Reaper control at this point. How many times is he put into places where people are being indoctrinated. Then have him in a indoctrination signal area for 2 days, asleep.

If something ain't stopping him from being controlled at this point, that's a hole in the story.

[goofyomnivore]

I'm curious on how they explain the Lazarus Project and the technology around it. However I'm betting they ignore it for the most part or leave it to an obscure codex entry. I know Miranda has a bit to say about it though.

[Someone With Mass]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm kind of surprised Shepard isn't already under Reaper control at this point. How many times is he put into places where people are being indoctrinated. Then have him in a indoctrination signal area for 2 days, asleep.

If something ain't stopping him from being controlled at this point, that's a hole in the story.

I think he's simply more resistant to indoctrination than most people, thanks to the Cipher and whatnot.

[goofyomnivore]

What would the Cipher do? He has the thoughts/ideals of the species who's primary downfall was weakness to indoctrination. The fact he couldn't even process it fully without Liara's help doesn't give me faith in Shepard's ability to learn from their mistake.

I'm betting they're going with something cheesy. Some good ole human grit and a spirit that never gives up crap. BioWare loves giving Shepard these "inner strengths" and indomitable intangibles.

Modifié par strive, 21 décembre 2011 - 10:08 .

[didymos1120]

strive wrote...

What would the Cipher do? He has the thoughts/ideals of the species who's primary downfall was weakness to indoctrination.

Um, where'd you get that idea from? Not from the game, that's for sure.  In any case,  every species is vulnerable to indoctrination, and the Protheans were not special in that regard.