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[Seboist]

jreezy wrote...

Seboist wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

SO ANYWAY....about consequences and stuff.

I'm upset that my femshep can't dance with TIM after doing all the pro-Cerberus actions in ME2.

Someone should mod Indigo Prophecy and put default FemShep and TIM in the place of Samantha and Tyler in their romantic dance scene. It'd probably look pretty ugly though considering that's a last gen game.

[didymos1120]

That's like some weird hybrid of ME and the art direction from Nightmare Before Christmas.

[Dean_the_Young]

But this does deserve to be said.

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Imagine a table with adults trying to have a discussion that's at least semi-serious.  Then 5-year-old runs into the room making fart noises and saying "poop" over and over, trying to get their attention so he can point, laugh, and run back out of the room.  Every troll on the internet is channelling that child. 

Then grow up, get over yourself, and stop acting like that child whenever someone else does. You are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Seboist is harmless.
You are making it worse, and making a fool of yourself.
Stop.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I didn't even see his own huge edit of comedty of the post before, but meh. He's established himself, time for that topic change.

Troll.

[Dean_the_Young]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I didn't even see his own huge edit of comedty of the post before, but meh. He's established himself, time for that topic change.

Troll.

Weren't you the one who meant what he said and said what he meant?

And yet that isn't establishing yourself? Not after monthes of posting?

This site lacks a good eye roll.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

But this does deserve to be said.

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Imagine a table with adults trying to have a discussion that's at least semi-serious.  Then 5-year-old runs into the room making fart noises and saying "poop" over and over, trying to get their attention so he can point, laugh, and run back out of the room.  Every troll on the internet is channelling that child. 

Then grow up, get over yourself, and stop acting like that child whenever someone else does. You are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Seboist is harmless.
You are making it worse, and making a fool of yourself.
Stop.

The only problem here is that you think he's harmless and funny, and like to join in.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 22 décembre 2011 - 04:18 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I didn't even see his own huge edit of comedty of the post before, but meh. He's established himself, time for that topic change.

Troll.

Weren't you the one who meant what he said and said what he meant?

And yet that isn't establishing yourself? Not after monthes of posting?

This site lacks a good eye roll.

Troll.

[didymos1120]

Anyone aware of that thing where the word "def" was given a funeral? Yeah, that needs to happen to "troll".

Modifié par didymos1120, 22 décembre 2011 - 04:25 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

didymos1120 wrote...

Anyone aware of that thing where the word "def" was given a funeral? Yeah, that needs to happen to "troll".

No misusage here.

Troll -- "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

Correllary -- anyone who thinks trolling has humor value

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 22 décembre 2011 - 04:37 .

[Seboist]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

But this does deserve to be said.

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Imagine a table with adults trying to have a discussion that's at least semi-serious.  Then 5-year-old runs into the room making fart noises and saying "poop" over and over, trying to get their attention so he can point, laugh, and run back out of the room.  Every troll on the internet is channelling that child. 

Then grow up, get over yourself, and stop acting like that child whenever someone else does. You are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Seboist is harmless.
You are making it worse, and making a fool of yourself.
Stop.

The only problem here is that you think he's harmless and funny, and like to join in.

I make my fans laugh. They clearly beg to differ with you.

[didymos1120]

This thread is now diamond arrows in the knee that you never asked for.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Seboist wrote...

I make my fans laugh. They clearly beg to differ with you.

Some people think Jersey Shore and Britany Spears are entertaining too.

[Seboist]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Seboist wrote...

I make my fans laugh. They clearly beg to differ with you.

Some people think Jersey Shore and Britany Spears are entertaining too.

These guys think so.

[Hairrorist]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Seboist wrote...

I make my fans laugh. They clearly beg to differ with you.

Some people think Jersey Shore and Britany Spears are entertaining too.

Alright, I realize I'm some random unknown jumping in here, and as such feel free to ignore me - but i felt the need to point this out...  Weren't you just complaining about people having a superior attitude?  How is that not what you're doing here?  I can tell you that what I'm taking from this comment is basically "people who think these things are entertaining are inferior to me".  I don't enjoy those things either but I'm not gonna automatically assume that anyone who does is an idiot. I think "you do you, imma do me" is a much more logical (and less rude tbh) approach.

[goofyomnivore]

someone needs to quote pyramid this thread into oblivion like that s/s thread, tbh

I don't think this thread can be saved, and another one will be created in a week to discuss and argue the same things about the Collector Base. It is like a weekly tradition on BSN. Collector Base, S/S romances, Ashley's Armor (sated for now), Paragon is for crybabies, Renegade is for pricks, etc. Oh yeah forgot the whole meaningless choices/where are the consequence thread too.

Modifié par strive, 22 décembre 2011 - 06:00 .

[BellaStrega]

Seboist isn't trolling, and, uh, I thought the joke kind of betrayed an affection for the game itself.

I don't know, I mean, yeah, the whole Renegade vs. Paragon thing annoys me, but most of the people involved are okay. Except that guy over there, and the one next to him.

[AnsinJung]

There may be ME1&2 spoilers regarding things I hope improve somewhat in ME3, in case that needs saying.

My major beef with ME2 is how the Paragon/Renegade options, while done better than in any other game I've played, make you feel rewarded only if you're heavily invested in one or the other.  In particular, the final persuasion while at Morinth's apartment, as well as making up with Jack or Miranda after siding with the other, feel like options I know are coming (on re-playthrough) and don't want to miss.  This makes me play either too nice or too mean when I am more like 2/3 and 1/3 at heart.  Sometimes I just wanna tell Jack off, or say how what Jacob's father did was tempting.


I've wondered if they've considered making a 3rd path where you are occasionally rewarded for making more "logical" choices.  Consider Jolee Bindo from Knights of the Old Republic.  I never visited the forums enough, having only played most of the recent Bioware hits, plus KotoR in the last few months, to know whether or not he was a popular character.  I suspect he is though, and if there's one thing I've noticed, Jolee isn't calibrating the 3rd time I talk to him.  As many of you may recall, he had a seemingly unending amount of things to say. 

But that's all amiss from my original point, that he was, at least according to his character page, neither light nor dark side (ultimately, he was more light because of how the story plays out, but still).  And in spite of his ultimate light side leanings, his more neutral, logical view was extremely refreshing, and not just because he was a Jedi and wasn't spouting the usual crap.  "Pragmatic" is probably the best way to describe him (after "testy," anyways), or at least his worldview.  That doesn't necessarily translate into "out for himself," because he's neutral, but rather he prefers a simpler life where he's willing to help people if opportunity arises (e.g., wookies) than to go around being self-righteous and potentially causing lots of severe unintended consequences.  That doesn't mean he's like Tom Bombadil or something; neither of them are immune to the dangerous world eventually crashing around them--the possible consequences of inaction, etc.

So my question is:  is there some reward, a path along the lines of a pragmatist, like Jolee Bindo?  And I personally am still, as I said, about 2:1 Paragon/Renegade, but a path like that in ME2 will miss out on some later persuasions, with nothing gained other than the seeing a few lines you wouldn't otherwise.  Those lines are available to Paragon/Renegade anyways, if the choose to ignore their available persausions.  Will I feel anything gained for choosing a middling alignment path?  Aside from the different lines of dialogue, which I would enjoy sooner or later on other playthroughs, there is no late game investment for avoiding extreme Paragon/Renegade alignment.  There's only the inability to persuade

I'm not suggesting some huge reward where if you balanced your Para/Rene scores as evenly as possible, a purple or black conversation option opens at some critical point late in the game.  I just don't like the feeling that the traditional blue/red persuasions are necessary or else I'm missing out, which somewhat pigeonholes me into a path during the whole game.

I've considered ignoring persuasion options, but for whatever reason, I feel like I'm letting Shepard, and her companions down if I click on whites while blues/reds will only appear once.  In short, it feels like "settling"--settling for second best. 

If there was such a path, I can still see why its overall use should be less in scope than the more natural progression of Paragon/Renegade.  Those are investments and the persuasions associated make sense to be available, whereas it would be much trickier to balance the amount of reward/investment for a "middle" Shepard.  It could easily be "too good" compared to the traditional alignments.  Sometimes the more "logical" choice that makes you scream with dramatic irony "why didn't they just fly eagles over Mount Doom and throw in the Ring!" won't serve the story very well.  However, it would have really been handy to, for instance, freaking explain the situation to whomever you meet at the end of Horizon (Kaiden or Ashley)--not that that was ever gonna happen, and honestly alignment wouldn't have really mattered anyway, but I think you get the idea.


Additionally, I really hope that persuasion options as far as talents or whatever aren't tied to a 70% or 100% talent.  Playing as commando instead of shock trooper really stresses that aforementioned pigeonholing.  I'm with Shale on anything related to pigeons.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

However, the burden of proof typically lies on those making the positive claim.

It lies on those making the claim - period. Doesn't matter if the claim is negative or positive.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Give the raper threat? Yes.

Um... I think that's a different game...


Seriously, though, it's funny how some people think "but the reapers!" is the ultimate response to any and all concerns.  Kinda reminds me of historical and current events in which a singular boogieman was used to justify any and all acts no matter how questionable or how in violation of our own standards and ideals.

Which would fit if reapers really were a boogieman. OR if they were a nusiance like the boogieman you're talking about, and not a real threat.
But since both of those are not the case...

[Lotion Soronarr]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
So how do you intepret "Cerberus is humanity", if not as TIM saying that Cerberus and humanity are the same thing? 

Do I need to post the definition of "is"?

Cerberus are the guardians of humanity. Hence they are humanities future. (as it may very well depend on them).

Cerberus is humanity because it's goals are in favor of humanity.

Self-appointed and self-proclaimed, nothing more. 

Doesn't matter. aS  Isaid i nthe part you cleverly cut out:

No, I dont' see anything strange in what he's saying, because people often do that.
For example, how many people on these forums have used the phrase "we, the fans"? A lot.
It's not uncommon for humans to identify with larger groups in conversations.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

strive wrote...

Not in Mass Effect 2. Maybe in the leak? I don't recall honestly. However EDI is a good example of what Reaper tech can do, and she was based off scraps. Imagine the potential of intact parts or a whole base.

Then again, being based on scraps also greatly reduces the risk of the entire research team going cyberzombie...

No, no it doesn't.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Unschuld wrote...
 Ideally, MOST of the choices should have some sort of positive AND negative consequence. Which side these consequences favor the most should be unique to each choice.

Fixed. I really do want to see a choice or two where the payer cna SPECTACULARY frak up. Or pull off a amazing sucess.

Variety.  I don't want every single choice to follow the exact same formula. It feels fake.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

laecraft wrote...

TIM enables Shepard to fight in ME2. He's the main questgiver. He gives Shepard all the intel and all the directions, provides Shepard with everything he needs for the fight, and covers for him in the Terminus Systems, where Shepard's Spectre status doesn't mean a thing. Shepard's just a soldier - nothing more than a weapon in TIM's hand. Without TIM, he wouldn't even get into the space, in fact he'd still be dead.

Gee, I'll remember that next time Shep is rifling through crates for the credits to improve the cheapass weapons he starts out with, or scanning planets for minerals to upgrade the Normandy enough to actually accomplish the mission, or overcoming the deliberately bad intel from TIM in order to accomplish the mission in spite of TIM's compusive dbag disorder.

Given that oy can complete hte mission with the gear at hte start and hte Normandy as is.....yes, TIM does give you al lyou need to accomplish the mission.

The stupidity you dispy here is staggering. He gives you one of the most advnaced ships in the galaxy, and advanced AI, crew and intel and you call that nothing?

TIMs' plans and gambles WORKED. It was his plan to lure the collectors. It was his plan to turn the trap agaisnt them.
Wihout TIM, Sheapprd wouldn't even be alive. And if we survived the Colelctor attack he's be stuck running around in Circles like a headless chicken.

I recall some peopel arguing that him drawing hte Collectors to Horizon was eeeevil, as he put he colonists in danger. Yes, because surely NOT having any idea where the Collectors would strike (and they would strike) is a lot better. Loosing several colonies because you gamble on simply cruising around and bumping into them is a GREAT plan.