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[Someone With Mass]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Object Rho, the object found in the mining colony, the object that TIM was exposed to, etc. 

How many lives would you bet on the Collector base having no indoctrinating devices, no backup defenses, no hidden areas that would be shielded from something like a "timed radiation pulse", no etc.

It would be a little silly if they didn't have some kind of shielded area in the base, considering the intense amounts of radiation the base is constantly bombarded with on the outside. Just in case the outer shielding fails.

[goofyomnivore]

Object Rho isn't a random object. It is pretty logical it would have indoctrination tech on it. I wouldn't be surprised if those artifacts function with the same purpose of Object Rho.

Yeah sphere is my mistake. I misremembered.are you talking about this mission? Abandoned Mine? http://masseffect.wi..._Abandoned_Mine

That artifact looks similar to Object Rho. I imagine it is another "beacon" that pulses to the Reapers.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Also, about TIM. Not going to happen. Shepard will save the galaxy without TIM, or not at all.

Why not?
Do you hate the man so much you're rather not save the galaxy than accept his aid?

The cost of working with TIM is too high.

Higher than reapers reaping all sentients in the galaxy and continuing their cycles?

See? This is why I say your arguments are as solid as diharea.

You keep attempting to establish this silly false dichotomy that has "working with TIM" and "the Reapers win" as the only possible choices. 

As for why you say that about my arguments, you say that about the arguments of everyone who "dares" to disagree with you about anything, so no big deal.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I think you're confising TIM with someone else.
Being Pro-Human isnt' the same as thinking humans are superior to eveyone. Pro-human means putting humantiy first. Thinking of it's interests and what is good for humanity.

Most, if not all humans are pro-human. Most turians are pro-turian. Most asari are pro-asari. That's just normal and sensible.

TIM isn't just pro-human, he repeatedly goes on about human dominance. 

Then look upon the word DOMINANCE in the dictionary bub.
I know you see is TIM and humans standing over their alien slaves and twirling their moustache, but that's narrow and flawed.
And you don't seem to have a problem with aliens dominating the galaxy.

I have a problem with anyone dominating the galaxy.  I have less of a problem with Humans dominating the galaxy than I do with, say, Batarians or Krogan, however. 

If I have an image of what TIM's dominance would mean, it's based on how TIM has acted.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 22 décembre 2011 - 04:19 .

[goofyomnivore]

Regardless of how you feel about the base. I always wondered why blowing up the probable source of the mass effect field protecting you from countless black holes is ever a good idea. However that decision seems moot when the Normandy jumps to FTL in the galactic core anyways.

[Killjoy Cutter]

strive wrote...

Object Rho isn't a random object. It is pretty logical it would have indoctrination tech on it. I wouldn't be surprised if those artifacts function with the same purpose of Object Rho.

Yeah sphere is my mistake. I misremembered.are you talking about this mission? Abandoned Mine? http://masseffect.wi..._Abandoned_Mine

That artifact looks similar to Object Rho. I imagine it is another "beacon" that pulses to the Reapers.

And the two additional "monoliths" found in ME: Evolution? 

The galaxy seems to be crawling with random indoctrination devices.

[Killjoy Cutter]

strive wrote...

Regardless of how you feel about the base. I always wondered why blowing up the probable source of the mass effect field protecting you from countless black holes is ever a good idea. However that decision seems moot when the Normandy jumps to FTL in the galactic core anyways.

I kept wondering where the relay at that end of the jump was, and why they didn't use it on the way out.

[goofyomnivore]

The galaxy seems to be crawling with random indoctrination devices.

Crawling with? Four artifacts discovered so far in the entire known Milky Way is crawling with? What is an outbreak, a dozen?

Modifié par strive, 22 décembre 2011 - 04:27 .

[TMA LIVE]

strive wrote...

Regardless of how you feel about the base. I always wondered why blowing up the probable source of the mass effect field protecting you from countless black holes is ever a good idea. However that decision seems moot when the Normandy jumps to FTL in the galactic core anyways.

Or how Cerberus can operate there, regardless of a base being gone.

Seriously, I'm still pissed that Cerberus can gain something workable from this.

http://www.youtube.c...4A7oNMKs#t=392s

[Bleachrude]

You know...I'm kind of curious..

What would change if humans were in the all-alone dominate position?

[Killjoy Cutter]

TMA LIVE wrote...

strive wrote...

Regardless of how you feel about the base. I always wondered why blowing up the probable source of the mass effect field protecting you from countless black holes is ever a good idea. However that decision seems moot when the Normandy jumps to FTL in the galactic core anyways.

Or how Cerberus can operate there, regardless of a base being gone.

Seriously, I'm still pissed that Cerberus can gain something workable from this.

http://www.youtube.c...4A7oNMKs#t=392s

Indeed.

Anything not vaporized was leaving the area at high velocity.

But their story for ME3 (and one of the novels) depended on Cerberus having stuff from the base, so your choice at the end of ME2 doen't really matter.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
The negative claim -- that something doesn't exist -- would have an impossible burden of proof in some cases, and as a standard, placing the burden of proof on the proposition that a particular thing does not exist would imply the assumption that everything imaginable exists until proven otherwise. 

Example -- can you prove that there's not an invisible, massless space monster orbiting Mars? 

It's far more reasonable and practical for the burden of proof to at least generally lie with those who would claim that something DOES exist.

Well, we arne't talking about something as esoteric as invisible unicorns. We're talking about things where BOTH positive and negative claims are perfectly viable.

In other words, if you can't prove Cerberus doesn't give any tech to the Alliance (and it perfectly reasonble shepard woudl even know about it).

I could just as easily ask you to prove to me the Council isn't sacrificing human babies in their chambers. Since you don't have any info on what goes on in there, you can't.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Why not?
Do you hate the man so much you're rather not save the galaxy than accept his aid?

The cost of working with TIM is too high.

Higher than reapers reaping all sentients in the galaxy and continuing their cycles?

See? This is why I say your arguments are as solid as diharea.

You keep attempting to establish this silly false dichotomy that has "working with TIM" and "the Reapers win" as the only possible choices. 

As for why you say that about my arguments, you say that about the arguments of everyone who "dares" to disagree with you about anything, so no big deal.

Probable outcomes. If the base was necessary and Cerberus ws necessary, then you DID doom the galaxy.
You are willing to risk to satisfy your petty ego. I'm not.

You are proving to be irrational.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
TIM isn't just pro-human, he repeatedly goes on about human dominance. 

Then look upon the word DOMINANCE in the dictionary bub.
I know you see is TIM and humans standing over their alien slaves and twirling their moustache, but that's narrow and flawed.
And you don't seem to have a problem with aliens dominating the galaxy.

I have a problem with anyone dominating the galaxy.  I have less of a problem with Humans dominating the galaxy than I do with, say, Batarians or Krogan, however. 

If I have an image of what TIM's dominance would mean, it's based on how TIM has acted.

Then please go assasinate the Council. Because they are DOMINATING the galaxy.

And you know jack s**** of what TIM's dominance would mean, you assume.

[AlexXIV]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Then be ignorant and be happy.
But some of us don't want to be ignorant. Forgive me for having higher standards.

Sorry but if you had higher standarts you wouldn't play their games at all. Or you would at least not make a fool of yourself by raging on their forums how they can't make games. Or you would work for a gaming company and do it better. Or you would run your own company. But as it is all you do is whine alot and don't really offer any realistic constructive criticism. I mean you basically only say what you don't like and what you want. But how in hell they are supposed to do it you have no clue. You don't even have a clue how they made the games you obviously have alot of bad things to say about.

[Bleachrude]

I'm not sure the council actually has that much power.

If it did, explain the Batarians..and youj can't blame humans since it is explicitly listed that it has long been suspected even before humanity met the citadel races that the Hegemony was supportingt he various pirates....

Hell, the Hegemony outright annexed a couple of colonies belonging to actual council races (not just members like the volus and elcor) yet the Batarians suffer no reprecussions...

Indeed, there's nothing preventing a race from seceeding from the citadel (again, see Batarians) so humanity doesn't actually HAVE to join the citadel at all...(Of course, if they want to get access to the HUGE market that is the asari - you probably need to play ball with them)

[Killjoy Cutter]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The negative claim -- that something doesn't exist -- would have an impossible burden of proof in some cases, and as a standard, placing the burden of proof on the proposition that a particular thing does not exist would imply the assumption that everything imaginable exists until proven otherwise. 

Example -- can you prove that there's not an invisible, massless space monster orbiting Mars? 

It's far more reasonable and practical for the burden of proof to at least generally lie with those who would claim that something DOES exist.

Well, we arne't talking about something as esoteric as invisible unicorns. We're talking about things where BOTH positive and negative claims are perfectly viable.

In other words, if you can't prove Cerberus doesn't give any tech to the Alliance (and it perfectly reasonble shepard woudl even know about it).

I could just as easily ask you to prove to me the Council isn't sacrificing human babies in their chambers. Since you don't have any info on what goes on in there, you can't.

And oddly enough, that's the point. 

As you suggest, it's not reasonable to presume that the Council sacrifices babies in their chambers based only on the fact that it can't be proven that they don't. 

Is it reasonable to presume that Cerberus gives "tech" to the Alliance based only on the fact that we can't prove that they don't? 

Would it be reasonable for BSN's participants to presume you're a mass murderer in real life based on the fact that we can't prove from here that you're not? 

[Killjoy Cutter]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Why not?

Do you hate the man so much you're rather not save the galaxy than accept his aid?

The cost of working with TIM is too high.

Higher than reapers reaping all sentients in the galaxy and continuing their cycles?

See? This is why I say your arguments are as solid as diharea.

You keep attempting to establish this silly false dichotomy that has "working with TIM" and "the Reapers win" as the only possible choices. 

As for why you say that about my arguments, you say that about the arguments of everyone who "dares" to disagree with you about anything, so no big deal.

Probable outcomes. If the base was necessary and Cerberus ws necessary, then you DID doom the galaxy.
You are willing to risk to satisfy your petty ego. I'm not.

You are proving to be irrational.

I'm irrational when you're the one who discounts all risks and dangers as irrelevent?   LoL.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
TIM isn't just pro-human, he repeatedly goes on about human dominance. 

Then look upon the word DOMINANCE in the dictionary bub.
I know you see is TIM and humans standing over their alien slaves and twirling their moustache, but that's narrow and flawed.
And you don't seem to have a problem with aliens dominating the galaxy.

I have a problem with anyone dominating the galaxy.  I have less of a problem with Humans dominating the galaxy than I do with, say, Batarians or Krogan, however. 

If I have an image of what TIM's dominance would mean, it's based on how TIM has acted.

Then please go assasinate the Council. Because they are DOMINATING the galaxy.

And you know jack s**** of what TIM's dominance would mean, you assume.

Really?  Look at how he opperates -- everyone and everything is disposable in TIM's mind, as long as TIM achieves TIM's goal.  He'll betray anyone and risk everything at the drop of a hat, and treats even his biggest investments as pawns.  He doesn't care what his underlings do as long as they get the results he was looking for. 

As for the Council, it's in dire need of reform, but assassinating them won't accomplish anything. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

AlexXIV wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Then be ignorant and be happy.
But some of us don't want to be ignorant. Forgive me for having higher standards.

Sorry but if you had higher standarts you wouldn't play their games at all. Or you would at least not make a fool of yourself by raging on their forums how they can't make games. Or you would work for a gaming company and do it better. Or you would run your own company. But as it is all you do is whine alot and don't really offer any realistic constructive criticism. I mean you basically only say what you don't like and what you want. But how in hell they are supposed to do it you have no clue. You don't even have a clue how they made the games you obviously have alot of bad things to say about.

Insane strawmen by an insane man.

I would play games if I had higher standards? What BS.

you said yourself you dont' care about plot or inconsistency you care about fun. Well, games can be BOTH consistent and fun. So yes, I can very well enjoy games with my higher standards:lol:

And people have mentioned what is wrong and how to fix it, (and so have I), so yes I have offered constructive criticism and a clue on how...

But do go ahead make a fool out of yourself. This ill-concieved reply just cements it.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Bleachrude wrote...

I'm not sure the council actually has that much power.

If it did, explain the Batarians..and youj can't blame humans since it is explicitly listed that it has long been suspected even before humanity met the citadel races that the Hegemony was supportingt he various pirates....

Hell, the Hegemony outright annexed a couple of colonies belonging to actual council races (not just members like the volus and elcor) yet the Batarians suffer no reprecussions...

Indeed, there's nothing preventing a race from seceeding from the citadel (again, see Batarians) so humanity doesn't actually HAVE to join the citadel at all...(Of course, if they want to get access to the HUGE market that is the asari - you probably need to play ball with them)

You're telling me the Citadel races aren't THE military, economic and cultural power?
Because that is domination.
Yes, you can seceed - but prepare to suffer the consequences. It's like giving US the figher wihout having any other huge nation to protect you. and I'm not talking purely military power.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
And oddly enough, that's the point. 

As you suggest, it's not reasonable to presume that the Council sacrifices babies in their chambers based only on the fact that it can't be proven that they don't. 

Is it reasonable to presume that Cerberus gives "tech" to the Alliance based only on the fact that we can't prove that they don't? 

Would it be reasonable for BSN's participants to presume you're a mass murderer in real life based on the fact that we can't prove from here that you're not? 

Yes. Because it make sense for them to do it given their agenda. Because it's hinted that they do that.
At least it's no LESS unreasonable thant your claim that they don't share tech.
Neither claim cen be made with any real weight.

But agian, we can replace positive with negative easily enough.

[Lotion Soronarr]

[quote]Killjoy Cutter wrote...

[quote]Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Probable outcomes. If the base was necessary and Cerberus ws necessary, then you DID doom the galaxy.
You are willing to risk to satisfy your petty ego. I'm not.

You are proving to be irrational.
[/quote]

I'm irrational when you're the one who discounts all risks and dangers as irrelevent?   LoL.[/quote]

I'm not discoutning them.
You're infalting them to proprtions that make the universe look small, all the while dismissing the reapers as a real threat.



[qutoe]
[quote]Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Then please go assasinate the Council. Because they are DOMINATING the galaxy.

And you know jack s**** of what TIM's dominance would mean, you assume.
[/quote]

Really?  Look at how he opperates -- everyone and everything is disposable in TIM's mind, as long as TIM achieves TIM's goal.  He'll betray anyone and risk everything at the drop of a hat, and treats even his biggest investments as pawns.  He doesn't care what his underlings do as long as they get the results he was looking for. 

As for the Council, it's in dire need of reform, but assassinating them won't accomplish anything. [/quote]

How does anything you say discount your assertion of dominance? It doesn't. You're just trying to throw a smokescreen now that the game is up.

Governments regulary treat soldeirs and underlings as disposable - becasue they generally ARE.
The Council is no better than TIM when it comes to "caring" about the people.

[TMA LIVE]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

strive wrote...

Regardless of how you feel about the base. I always wondered why blowing up the probable source of the mass effect field protecting you from countless black holes is ever a good idea. However that decision seems moot when the Normandy jumps to FTL in the galactic core anyways.

Or how Cerberus can operate there, regardless of a base being gone.

Seriously, I'm still pissed that Cerberus can gain something workable from this.

http://www.youtube.c...4A7oNMKs#t=392s

Indeed.

Anything not vaporized was leaving the area at high velocity.

But their story for ME3 (and one of the novels) depended on Cerberus having stuff from the base, so your choice at the end of ME2 doen't really matter.

Then they shouldn't have made the explosion that big. Or came up with a reason as to why anything useable survived that. Like having the Collector Ship survive that explosion. But even that goes kaboom.

[AlexXIV]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Then be ignorant and be happy.
But some of us don't want to be ignorant. Forgive me for having higher standards.

Sorry but if you had higher standarts you wouldn't play their games at all. Or you would at least not make a fool of yourself by raging on their forums how they can't make games. Or you would work for a gaming company and do it better. Or you would run your own company. But as it is all you do is whine alot and don't really offer any realistic constructive criticism. I mean you basically only say what you don't like and what you want. But how in hell they are supposed to do it you have no clue. You don't even have a clue how they made the games you obviously have alot of bad things to say about.

Insane strawmen by an insane man.

I would play games if I had higher standards? What BS.

you said yourself you dont' care about plot or inconsistency you care about fun. Well, games can be BOTH consistent and fun. So yes, I can very well enjoy games with my higher standards:lol:

And people have mentioned what is wrong and how to fix it, (and so have I), so yes I have offered constructive criticism and a clue on how...

But do go ahead make a fool out of yourself. This ill-concieved reply just cements it.

Yeah sure I am making a fool of myself. We had that already, you write this kind of stuff in every 2nd reply. I care about plot and consistency to a certain point. I have voiced more than enough concern about DA2. But there was a good reason there. It was rushed. I think you people just want the impossible and if you don't get it you start whining. You know on what that reminds me? Yeah, that. Same with the whole paragon envy.

Just look at the way you reply. 'Insane strawman'. Strawman is not enough, it is insane! Because you are not capable of replying to ANYONE without adding some sort of insult. I have said this before. It is annoying dude. This isn't junior high school, you don't need to try so hard to be the cool kid. It is a mature game and supposed for mature players. And sorry, if you are supposed to be a mature person then we have completely wrong definition of that word. If you could at least take a step back and look at all the things you post here and think for a moment wtf you are doing here.

You 'discuss' as if you are in war. You don't exchange arguments, you don't consider other people's points. Are you on a friggen crusade or on dope or did a granade spliter hit your head or something? Because I know one thing, this is not normal behaviour of an adult person.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 22 décembre 2011 - 07:00 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

And oddly enough, that's the point. 

As you suggest, it's not reasonable to presume that the Council sacrifices babies in their chambers based only on the fact that it can't be proven that they don't. 

Is it reasonable to presume that Cerberus gives "tech" to the Alliance based only on the fact that we can't prove that they don't? 

Would it be reasonable for BSN's participants to presume you're a mass murderer in real life based on the fact that we can't prove from here that you're not? 

Yes. Because it make sense for them to do it given their agenda. Because it's hinted that they do that.
At least it's no LESS unreasonable thant your claim that they don't share tech.
Neither claim cen be made with any real weight.

But agian, we can replace positive with negative easily enough.

In every case, or just in specific cases?  Are you really prepared to prove that invisible and intangible unicorns are not, in fact, watching us all at this very moment?  What about space monsters hiding on the far side of the sun?  What about spirits and faeries? 

BTW, I'm not making any claim about Cerberus giving or not giving anything to the Alliance.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if the companies they secretly own or have infilitrated end up putting selected results of their work back into general circulation.

[Medhia Nox]

@Luc0s: And if they decided to "make choices matter" and you didn't agree with them - you would **** and moan twice as hard.

What you (and those like you) REALLY want - is all your choices to be applauded - and all the choices you disagree with to be punished.

----

If they decided that the Collector Base was a giant trap - you, Lotion, Saphra, Kaiser - etc. etc. would be crying about how they were ****ty writers anyway - so why should they care at all?

The ONLY way to appease you is to make the story exactly how you want - which is the exact WORST idea for any developer.