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[GodWood]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Hypocrisy at its finest.

How?

You're giving him way too much credit for doing something slightly out of the ordinary.

He, in the actual heat of the action, was willing to sacrifice his life. That is an impressive feat.

Keep in mind that this was in response to your "It's so painfully obvious that he's just in to gain power for himself and Cerberus" comment. A person who's just in it for themself would not be willing to sacrifice their life. Keeping their life is their top priority.

Do you see where I'm going?

[Seboist]

He was willing to work with Anderson even after all that too.

[GodWood]

darkness reborn wrote...
This Topic's title should be changed to:

TIM Fanbase Vs TIM Hatebase.

This forums title should be changed to:

TIM Fanbase Vs Everyone else.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

You want to know someone who really put up a sacrifice? Saren.

TIM just looks sad and pathetic compared to what Saren gave up in an attempt to secure the future of all organic life in the galaxy.

Saren was a moron for ever even thinking the reapers will follow their end of the bargain.
They havn't for any cycle so far.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Mr.House wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
You call that sacrifice?

Wow. I'm sacrificing more when I'm taking out the garbage.

Lol. Typical SWM, simply incapable of giving any credit where credit is due.

TIM was willing to sacrifice his life and was pissed when Leng played hero. That is not the reaction of a self absorbed, power hungry megalomaniac that is the reaction of a man whose loyal to the Cerberus ideology and cause.

Stop trying to paint him as something else.

He was willing to sacrifice his life for a Cerberus opertive that was human. Had that been an alien or a non Cerberus personal I doubt he would have saved them, more so when he is having Cerberus attack the people trying to stop the Reapers in ME3.

Hmm..unless you can prove he wouldn't sacrifice himself for a non-human, your doubts are meaningless.

TIM was great in ME2, until the comics and books ruined him, he is now just a power hungry rich man who sleeps with a woman each day and will try to kill one of the few peopel trying to stop the Reapers. LOL Bioware.
*sigh* Bioware, can you please stop ruining characters?

Nah, they can't. Making TIM truly interesting would be grey. We can't have a proper moral dillema, now can we?

[The Hierophant]

darkness reborn wrote...

GodWood wrote...

darkness reborn wrote...
This Topic's title should be changed to:

TIM Fanbase Vs TIM Hatebase.

This forums title should be changed to:

TIM Fanbase Vs Everyone else.

LOL!

Its not like Bioware are going to change TIM's and Cerberus's role in ME 3 anyway.

[Lotion Soronarr]

pmac_tk421 wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Another_Golden_Dragon wrote...

Last I heard, they had actually hinted that DESTROYING it would be better.....

Yes, which makes absolutely zero sense in my opinion.

Why does it not make sense? Cerberus is an enemy in ME3, and giving them extra tech won't help.

I think he means - it doens't make sense in the context of ME2.

[Lotion Soronarr]

GodWood wrote...

He, in the actual heat of the action, was willing to sacrifice his life. That is an impressive feat.

Keep in mind that this was in response to your "It's so painfully obvious that he's just in to gain power for himself and Cerberus" comment. A person who's just in it for themself would not be willing to sacrifice their life. Keeping their life is their top priority.

Do you see where I'm going?

No, he doesn't.
You're wasting your time with SWM. His irrational hate of TIM blinds him to everything.

[Lotion Soronarr]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Then he goes flies into a rage and orders Miranda to kill her friend? (sorry orders Dr. Frankenstein to kill the

Wut? I don't recall that from the game.

[Someone With Mass]

If they wanted to make TIM interesting, he wouldn't be sitting in his chair all day while his lackeys are doing all the work like another cliche and boring James Bond villain that was so horribly underdeveloped that they needed to dedicate several comics, books and DLCs to give him the slight hint of being more than a cardboard cutout.

He'd be out there to get things done himself. To actually put some effort in it, make sure it really goes his and not just hand wave everything that goes bad aside and call it necessary loses, even though he's really not losing anything that's really setting them back or anything of his personal life.

They can't just say that he's an interesting character and then assume that he is one. No, he has to earn that title with a little more than just gentle words.

And I'm talking about the game. 

I shouldn't have to read anything beyond the things in the game in order to understand a character.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 23 décembre 2011 - 08:00 .

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

No, he doesn't.
You're wasting your time with SWM. His irrational hate of TIM blinds him to everything.

Just like you're wasting everyone's time in those threads where you're constantly saying that Cerberus can't be a threat compared to the Reapers, since you're blind to alternative outcomes that goes beyond your own opinion, which is always stated by yourself as a fact and that everyone else's opinion is total nonsense.

Funny how that works.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 23 décembre 2011 - 08:01 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Another_Golden_Dragon wrote...
Where you come up with that Cerberus isn't an enemy, even in ME 2, I'll NEVER understand, and the events of ME 1 would still be relatively fresh in Shepard's mind.  Only fully renegade Shepards would enjoy working with Cerberus, or think they weren't an enemy.

Also, TIM turned on Shepard several times during ME 2, proving a lack of trust.

What's there to not understand? Cerberus isn't attacking you. They are offering to help against the repers - the biggest threat the galaxy has ever faced. Cease-fire. Alliance out of necessity.
You don't have to enjoy workign with them, but they are not the enemy.

And no, he didn't turn on Sheppard.

Of the 4 points you mentioned, only the 4th has any validity  WHATSOEVER. Yes, destroying the Collector base may come back and bite us in the arse, but there isn't ANY proof that Cerberus wouldn't continue harvesting human colonists to try to build a new Reaper.

Which is utter BS because it's so STUPID and INEFFECTIVE. It makes as much sense as Cerberus building warships out of matchsticks.

One does not have to metagame to think that Cerberus wouldn't turn on you, or otherwise still be a threat, no matter WHAT they did for Shepard.

Until Bioware comes and says proves that keeping the base is far better that destroying it, the Renegade option to irradiate it is just STUPID (IMO) and a risk that I am unwilling to take.

So it's endless hate? REgardless of what Cerberus done? That is the very definition of irrationality. To not allow ANYTHING to change your pre-established misconceptions.

Destroying the base is the stupidest decision I ever came acros in any game, book or story EVER. Sheappard lobotomizing himself with an ice-pick makes more sense.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Another_Golden_Dragon wrote...

"Cerberus brought me back from the dead." Also can be viewed as Moral Rape. Did Shepard give consent?

"I have no reason to think TIM would turn against me." This is just naive. And stupid. There has been no reason at all that he should be trusted in the first place. Even disregarding the events of ME 1.

Pro-humanity doesn't mean nice to humans, evil to everyone else. Remember Admiral Kahoku? He was human.

And Cerberus being an enemy doesn't mean that they joined the Reapers.

And what reason do you have for trusting Tali? Garrus? Hackett? the Council?
How do you know they won't turn against you?

It's not naive to not think TIM will turn on you. He has no reason. No real motive. Nothing to gain with it.

If your whole fear/theory rides on poeple doing utterly illogical and senseless things, then by that abortion of logic, trusting anyone is stupid.

I way, the council will build a giant dreadnought with manul labor. No machinery. It's inefficient, slow as hell, and utterly impractical, but I say they will do it. Why? Because they can and I don't trust them. That's what your "Cerberus will build a reaper" argumetn comes down to.

And Pro-Human doesn't mena being evil to aliens.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Another_Golden_Dragon wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

blahblahblah

And yet you still haven't proven anything.  Cerberus isn't a god.  Shepard IS human, and has feelings, and yet is treated as some automaton.  My point about Moral Rape is still quite valid.

It's not. Never was. Only someone as dellusional as you can turn giving someone back life into something evil.

In no way, Shape, Fashion or form is Cerberus good for Humanity.  When Cerberus started those experiments, they lost their original vision.  Cerberus may have been on the right track for the events of ME 2, but that was the lesser evil.

YEah...No. IF humantiy survives, it's good for humanity. End of story.

Death and sacrifice of MILLIONS is still justified if it saves trillions.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Also, if TIM wanted to help humanity against the Reapers, he would've sent the Alliance the information on the Reapers he had, instead of letting the majority of the Alliance fleets get destroyed without even trying to help them.

It's so painfully obvious that he's just in to gain power for himself and Cerberus.

Help them how?
What Info did Cerberus have on the weaponry and defenses of an actual reaper? What naval assets did they have? Could those assets make any difference at all - assuming tehy were even in range to arrive on time?

Do you even think before posting? Seriously, your "argumetns" have been becoming less and less coherent and filled more and more with blind hate....

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

No, he doesn't.
You're wasting your time with SWM. His irrational hate of TIM blinds him to everything.

Just like you're wasting everyone's time in those threads where you're constantly saying that Cerberus can't be a threat compared to the Reapers, since you're blind to alternative outcomes that goes beyond your own opinion, which is always stated by yourself as a fact and that everyone else's opinion is total nonsense.

Funny how that works.

See, I'm saying that beacuse realisticly Cerberus can't be a threat as big as reapers. Ya know..tiny organization without a real navy and with only a handfull of soldiers VS a race of sentient-machines that have been harvesting and killing entire galactic civilizations for millions of years.

It's not hard to see why your opinnion in this case is total nonsense. Becasue you can't back it up by anything resembling reason.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

If they wanted to make TIM interesting, he wouldn't be sitting in his chair all day while his lackeys are doing all the work like another cliche and boring James Bond villain that was so horribly underdeveloped that they needed to dedicate several comics, books and DLCs to give him the slight hint of being more than a cardboard cutout.

He'd be out there to get things done himself. To actually put some effort in it, make sure it really goes his and not just hand wave everything that goes bad aside and call it necessary loses, even though he's really not losing anything that's really setting them back or anything of his personal life.

You have a very narrow definition of interesting and "doing something". Cerebral activities are apprently nothing to you.
Only interesting villains are big and muscular ones that pose a direct physical challange?


Yeah, allow me to laugh a bit....

Also, if he's not really loosing anytihg that's setting Cerberus back, then you can't really call any of his proejcts a faliue, now can you?

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

See, I'm saying that beacuse realisticly Cerberus can't be a threat as big as reapers. Ya know..tiny organization without a real navy and with only a handfull of soldiers VS a race of sentient-machines that have been harvesting and killing entire galactic civilizations for millions of years.

It's not hard to see why your opinnion in this case is total nonsense. Becasue you can't back it up by anything resembling reason.

I have backed it up with reason. Like how Cerberus can be a threat to Shepard, which in its turn can be a threat to the war effort against the Reapers.

You just refuse to see it for the sake of your argument's convenience.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Also, if he's not really loosing anytihg that's setting Cerberus back, then you can't really call any of his proejcts a faliue, now can you?

Yes, I can.

When their goal is not met or the project can't even reach half of the potential and expected results or can't be recreated because the original staff was killed, then I'd call a failure.

Sweeping up the remains of a project that could have been so much more is hardly what I'd call a stunning success either.