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[vixvicco]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

Wynne will never die. She will haunt us in our dreams forever, with her nagging and lecturing. If you try to strike her down, she will get back up and give you a good finger-wagging.

LOL. She was okay until she tried to betray me when I was a mage, and when she got all pissy when I defiled the ashes. Then I started to hate that old grandma. She reminds me of my grandma. *sigh*

[Wulfram]

vixvicco wrote...

LOL. She was okay until she tried to betray me when I was a mage,

Doesn't that only happen with a mod?

[Fast Jimmy]

Gervaise wrote...

Wynne makes direct reference to what she said in DAO in the book. She explains she just assumed it was a temporary reprieve because she thought the "second chance" the spirit offered her was to help end the Blight. When she did this and was still alive she realised that wasn't the reason the spirit saved her. In fact it would seem that the spirit was going to keep her alive until Wynne felt the time was right to relinquish it. Strangely enough this would seem to tie into what David Gaider said about Anders - that if he really wanted to give up Justice then he could - but if he did so then it would result in his death.

I had forgotten about this thread until it popped back up in the queue again.

Given the above quote, I have a slightly off-topic question... if Faith was hanging on until Wynne was ready to relinquish it and embrace death, and the same could be said for Anders and Justice, is there any credence to the thought that Justice wsa, by virtue of becoming Vengeance, trying to force Anders into letting him return to the Fade?

While I understand that Justice was more or less corrupted by Anders anger, is it possible that Vengeance progressively allowed himself/itself to become more and more extreme, so that Anders would see himself becoming a monster and "releasing" Justice?

Could Justice have gotten Anders to blow up the Chantry, then have Anders be totally willing to be executed if Hawke so chose, as means to be free and return to the Fade?

I probably don't have all the facts on this because I haven't read Asunder yet, but if anyone has any  thoughts, I'd be interested.

[gaurdian9sunshine]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Gervaise wrote...

Wynne makes direct reference to what she said in DAO in the book. She explains she just assumed it was a temporary reprieve because she thought the "second chance" the spirit offered her was to help end the Blight. When she did this and was still alive she realised that wasn't the reason the spirit saved her. In fact it would seem that the spirit was going to keep her alive until Wynne felt the time was right to relinquish it. Strangely enough this would seem to tie into what David Gaider said about Anders - that if he really wanted to give up Justice then he could - but if he did so then it would result in his death.

I had forgotten about this thread until it popped back up in the queue again.

Given the above quote, I have a slightly off-topic question... if Faith was hanging on until Wynne was ready to relinquish it and embrace death, and the same could be said for Anders and Justice, is there any credence to the thought that Justice wsa, by virtue of becoming Vengeance, trying to force Anders into letting him return to the Fade?

While I understand that Justice was more or less corrupted by Anders anger, is it possible that Vengeance progressively allowed himself/itself to become more and more extreme, so that Anders would see himself becoming a monster and "releasing" Justice?

Could Justice have gotten Anders to blow up the Chantry, then have Anders be totally willing to be executed if Hawke so chose, as means to be free and return to the Fade?

I probably don't have all the facts on this because I haven't read Asunder yet, but if anyone has any  thoughts, I'd be interested.

There is a big difference between Wynne and Anders possession. First of all, Justice is trapped outside the fade. He cannot return on his own. When Anders and Justice merged, they became one person. Anders feels Justice's thoughts as his own. Justice already desired vengence even when he possessed a warden body. He wanted to kill darkspawn. That became his life and his purppose. Justice is definded by his case which is Justice. When Justice merged with Anders, he became a chantry and templar hating spirit who would do anything to see mages free, and since he and Anders are one person, that is what Anders feels as well. Justice was the one that planted the idea in Anders to help mages in the first place becuse of the banter convrosation in awakeings. Anders told Isabela in DA:2, after Justice said that, he couldn't go back. He couldn't stop thinking about it. Wynne had always had an affinity for the fade and the faith spirit was her personal protector, even in Ostagar. After she engaged the very powerful demon to save the life of Patra, she died, but her faith spirit didn't want that, so the faith spirit chose to keep her alive by keeping her heart beating. Unlike Justice, the faith spirit is still inside the fade, and within Wynne and then Evenegeline after Wynne choose to release the spirit. I do not like to say Justice is a demon, but he has defently changed into something darker than just a spirit. I think after you choose to kill Anders, Justice dies as well because Justice is tied to Anders life, just like Merithari was bound to the demon that wanted Merill to complete the eluvian. I do not feel that Anders and Justice can ever be seperated.

[Fast Jimmy]

Then may he find peace in the Maker's embrace, because he's dead in my canon story.

[monstertrucks]

Wynne dies in Asunder

[gaurdian9sunshine]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Then may he find peace in the Maker's embrace, because he's dead in my canon story.

In my cannon story, Anders survives and he runs away with my f!Hawke.