I disagree with it being so high on the most disappointing list, I have played games this year that have provided much much higher levels of disappointment. Even Ocarina of Time 3DS, everyone's best-game-of-all-time, was disappointing with its gyro controls being at odds with keeping the 3D in focus. Dragon Age II at least kept me engaged for 50+ hours on the first playthrough, while i suppose I'll get to playing through OoT eventually.
I think 2011 will be notable not for its particular disappointments, but for the marked increase in breadth of what qualifies as "disappointment" for gaming.
Link to article is here.
Dragon Age II Makes Wired's "Most Disappointing" List
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Posté 20 décembre 2011 - 03:53
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Pretty bad list. How can a game like "Jurassic Park", that hardly anyone had any high expectations for, disappoint? How is "Two Worlds II", said by most people to be a vast improvement over it's predecessor, a disappointment? (Maybe no great game, but better than what could have been expected). And did anyone actually believe Duke Nukem Forever would be good?
As for DAII: Strange that they bring up the city. Shouldn't they bring up some point in which DA:O was actually good? It's not as if DA:O had breath taking level design. If they where talking about the differences in gameplay or the scope of the story, i could understand disapointment (i wouldn't agree, but i could follow their thoughts), but if a sequel is worse in an aspect in which the original was merely "okay", that's no reason to crown it as second most dissapointing game of the year.
As for DAII: Strange that they bring up the city. Shouldn't they bring up some point in which DA:O was actually good? It's not as if DA:O had breath taking level design. If they where talking about the differences in gameplay or the scope of the story, i could understand disapointment (i wouldn't agree, but i could follow their thoughts), but if a sequel is worse in an aspect in which the original was merely "okay", that's no reason to crown it as second most dissapointing game of the year.
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Posté 20 décembre 2011 - 04:02
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Meh - there was no disappointment in DA2. What faults the game have (and there were quite a few of those) could and should have been expected, and can be attributed directly to the too-short development cycle (and possibly chickening out instead of pulling certain well intentioned changes through).
In a year, where Dead Island and Rage failed to be the games they promised to be, a year where we head to mourn the passing of the once rightfully honored Deus Ex series, and Witcher 2 turned out to be lying about basically every selling point - you'd think there'd be worse things to worry about. In the end of the day, DA2 *was* one of the few pleasant surprises.
In a year, where Dead Island and Rage failed to be the games they promised to be, a year where we head to mourn the passing of the once rightfully honored Deus Ex series, and Witcher 2 turned out to be lying about basically every selling point - you'd think there'd be worse things to worry about. In the end of the day, DA2 *was* one of the few pleasant surprises.
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Posté 20 décembre 2011 - 04:06
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Yeah, this is what I mean about the breadth of what "disappointment" now covers. City section names like "Hightown" and "Darktown" are more generic than names like "Riverwood" (in the woods right next to a river!) and "Winterhold" (where it is ALWAYS snowing)? Scope of story I can understand to a degree, but I guess every RPG will now be considered disappointing if the player's hero is not "the One" who will deliver the world from an overarching evil.
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Posté 20 décembre 2011 - 04:14
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The problem I find with lists like this is they really aren't looking for what was really a disappointment, for many games disappointed me a lot more then Dragon Age 2, they look at what the "Internet Community" complained about the most so they get more readers.
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Posté 20 décembre 2011 - 04:16
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The complaint about the names is silly - a lot of place names are exactly what it says on the tin. And they're surely an advance on Athkatla's Slum District, Temple District, Docks District and so on.
But DA2 deserves it's place on the list because people have high expectations of Bioware games which it failed to live up to.
But DA2 deserves it's place on the list because people have high expectations of Bioware games which it failed to live up to.
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Posté 20 décembre 2011 - 04:21
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Sanunes wrote...
The problem I find with lists like this is they really aren't looking for what was really a disappointment, for many games disappointed me a lot more then Dragon Age 2, they look at what the "Internet Community" complained about the most so they get more readers.
Yeah, this reminds me of the reviews for Resistance 3, with pretty much all of them beginning with "...following the disappointing 2nd outing..." or something to that effect. Meanwhile, the Metacritic score for Resistance 2 stands at 87 and the reviews were full of high praise.
I have no doubt the same thing will happen with the reviews for the next Dragon Age game.
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Posté 20 décembre 2011 - 04:54
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Because the names in Origins weren't generic at all? "Redcliffe! Where cliffs are red! The Deep Roads! Roads that are deep! The Circle Tower! A tower with circular floors!".
Of course the names are simple, it's a [blooming] city. The name should reflect what it is, that's the whole point.
Judging by the whining about the lack of "forests and swamps", it sounds to me like their real complaint is that the game wasn't generic enough. If you want a more typical, quest-based storyline, then grow a pair and [bleeding] say so. Don't accuse an actually original storyline of being generic because of meaningless superficialities like "The names are stupid hurrdurrdurr". Where were these detractors when the game first came out, anyway? Early reviews were nothing but positive.
I find it hilarious that they call out AC: Revelations for having "too many new features". It had three, barely. Everything else in it was present in previous installments. It's stupid to tell them to "go back to basics" when the lack of extras was what people complained about in the first place.
I was going to write an article about the things that "gamers" don't complain about, but after listing all the flavours of Doritos, I ran out of ideas.
[No swearing, please.]
Of course the names are simple, it's a [blooming] city. The name should reflect what it is, that's the whole point.
Judging by the whining about the lack of "forests and swamps", it sounds to me like their real complaint is that the game wasn't generic enough. If you want a more typical, quest-based storyline, then grow a pair and [bleeding] say so. Don't accuse an actually original storyline of being generic because of meaningless superficialities like "The names are stupid hurrdurrdurr". Where were these detractors when the game first came out, anyway? Early reviews were nothing but positive.
I find it hilarious that they call out AC: Revelations for having "too many new features". It had three, barely. Everything else in it was present in previous installments. It's stupid to tell them to "go back to basics" when the lack of extras was what people complained about in the first place.
I was going to write an article about the things that "gamers" don't complain about, but after listing all the flavours of Doritos, I ran out of ideas.
[No swearing, please.]
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Posté 20 décembre 2011 - 05:23
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I had 2 problems with DA2.
1) Recycled enviros
2) Most of the 3rd act, it was rushed and it showed (and the Isabella bug that made my first playthrough worthless)
It was far from huge disappointment for me. Still rates as top 10-20 game for me anyway.
This is the typical gamer article where they just look at a few things the community didnt like and try to be de jour
Other than that I really enjoyed the
1) Recycled enviros
2) Most of the 3rd act, it was rushed and it showed (and the Isabella bug that made my first playthrough worthless)
It was far from huge disappointment for me. Still rates as top 10-20 game for me anyway.
This is the typical gamer article where they just look at a few things the community didnt like and try to be de jour
Other than that I really enjoyed the
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assassins creed was worse than Dragon age all it was was a copy paste of brotherhood
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Posté 20 décembre 2011 - 05:32
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Aside from the completely different setting, plot and characters, you mean?Dalira Montanti wrote...
assassins creed was worse than Dragon age all it was was a copy paste of brotherhood
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Posté 20 décembre 2011 - 05:38
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The fact that Two Worlds II is on that list makes the list laughable. If they expected anything from a sequel to one of the worse games ever then they must have expected the second coming of Jesus with DA2.
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Posté 20 décembre 2011 - 05:45
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Dalira Montanti wrote...
assassins creed was worse than Dragon age all it was was a copy paste of brotherhood
I think DA2 is one game where I kinda wish it was a copy paste of its prequel.
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Posté 20 décembre 2011 - 05:46
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Honestly, the only game that I purchased this year that greatly disappointed me was DA2. So I have no problem with it being on such a list.
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Posté 20 décembre 2011 - 10:23
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Kind of surprised DA2 didn't make the 1st place, but I guess duke did have it coming.
Makes sense, really, a company like bioware got no excuse for pushing shovelware at a AAA price. People weren't disappointed because it was worse than DA:O, they were disappointed because it's a spit in the face of all gamers. In fact, it was so terrible, bioware has completely lost its credibility in the eyes of every salted gamer. You don't just go from a fairly respectable developer to the most hated one of all time with 1 game release, but bioware did it.
Makes sense, really, a company like bioware got no excuse for pushing shovelware at a AAA price. People weren't disappointed because it was worse than DA:O, they were disappointed because it's a spit in the face of all gamers. In fact, it was so terrible, bioware has completely lost its credibility in the eyes of every salted gamer. You don't just go from a fairly respectable developer to the most hated one of all time with 1 game release, but bioware did it.
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Posté 20 décembre 2011 - 10:30
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Funny, I didn't feel like I was spit in the face.Jelefant wrote...
Kind of surprised DA2 didn't make the 1st place, but I guess duke did have it coming.
Makes sense, really, a company like bioware got no excuse for pushing shovelware at a AAA price. People weren't disappointed because it was worse than DA:O, they were disappointed because it's a spit in the face of all gamers. In fact, it was so terrible, bioware has completely lost its credibility in the eyes of every salted gamer. You don't just go from a fairly respectable developer to the most hated one of all time with 1 game release, but bioware did it.
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Posté 20 décembre 2011 - 10:36
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Jelefant wrote...
Kind of surprised DA2 didn't make the 1st place, but I guess duke did have it coming.
Makes sense, really, a company like bioware got no excuse for pushing shovelware at a AAA price. People weren't disappointed because it was worse than DA:O, they were disappointed because it's a spit in the face of all gamers. In fact, it was so terrible, bioware has completely lost its credibility in the eyes of every salted gamer. You don't just go from a fairly respectable developer to the most hated one of all time with 1 game release, but bioware did it.
But you're still buying Mass Effect 3, see you March 6 bud
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Posté 20 décembre 2011 - 10:47
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Cloaking_Thane wrote...
Jelefant wrote...
Kind of surprised DA2 didn't make the 1st place, but I guess duke did have it coming.
Makes sense, really, a company like bioware got no excuse for pushing shovelware at a AAA price. People weren't disappointed because it was worse than DA:O, they were disappointed because it's a spit in the face of all gamers. In fact, it was so terrible, bioware has completely lost its credibility in the eyes of every salted gamer. You don't just go from a fairly respectable developer to the most hated one of all time with 1 game release, but bioware did it.
But you're still buying Mass Effect 3, see you March 6 bud
Just like I bought the first 2, right? See you never, friend
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Posté 20 décembre 2011 - 10:57
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Jelefant wrote...
Kind of surprised DA2 didn't make the 1st place, but I guess duke did have it coming.
Makes sense, really, a company like bioware got no excuse for pushing shovelware at a AAA price. People weren't disappointed because it was worse than DA:O, they were disappointed because it's a spit in the face of all gamers. In fact, it was so terrible, bioware has completely lost its credibility in the eyes of every salted gamer. You don't just go from a fairly respectable developer to the most hated one of all time with 1 game release, but bioware did it.
I am a very salted gamer and Bioware has not lost credibility in my eyes. DA2 is far from shovelware and it did not disappoint me (IMHO). I know shovelware. Anyone remember Shattered Light by Catware or CatFight: The Ultimate Female Fighting Game by Phantom Card ? Both make DNF look like a paragon of greatness.
Far worse titles came out in 2011 and DA2 is not one of them in my opinion. Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. C'est la vie.
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Posté 20 décembre 2011 - 11:40
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Deserves its place. Although the generic names are the absolute least of it's problems.
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Posté 21 décembre 2011 - 01:17
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Dragon Age II makes MY "most disappointing" list, too. Not only of 2011, but of ever. It disappointed me as a game of it's own, and infinitely more as the sequel it was. I don't buy a lot of games, and while it's obvious that worse games came out this year they never had any chance of disappointing me simply because I'd never even considered buying them. DA2 was as close to a must buy as anything because it was the second game of what I expected to be my favourite franchise of the coming years. 
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Posté 21 décembre 2011 - 01:29
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I'm pretty sure its only on here because its become fashionable to bash DA2 for me it was more enjoyable and better put together than some games that have spent longer in development than DA2 in some cases alot longer( Duke Nukem has been a 12 year+ Dev Cycle)
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Posté 21 décembre 2011 - 01:49
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Totally agree, the ones who are so dissapointed with DA2 game haven't left yet.. the reason? is probably because as it stand right now da2 still way better than many games that are out there right now, wich by the way are bigger:wizard: and full of colorfull nothingness.jbrand2002uk wrote...
I'm pretty sure its only on here because its become fashionable to bash DA2 for me it was more enjoyable and better put together than some games that have spent longer in development than DA2 in some cases alot longer( Duke Nukem has been a 12 year+ Dev Cycle)
This new games have no soul at all while Da2 even as bad/good as it seem it has not just 1 soul, but many little souls that the players love to hate.
rofl.
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Posté 21 décembre 2011 - 01:58
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It deserves its place. I look at the Me series, KOTOR and DAO, then at DA2 and wonder simply what the hell happend there, from bad execution to half baked ideas it was decidedly mediocre. The other games, many of them I wouldn't consider them a disappointment as I wouldn't have considered buying them. Duke Nukem wasn't a disappointment it was just a mess.
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Posté 21 décembre 2011 - 01:59
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Watch as a flame war erupts over this i'm getting a comfy chair and lighting the fire,
Marshmallows and some beer Huntress?
Marshmallows and some beer Huntress?
