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[LobselVith8]

While the novel "Asunder" works for a particular storyline, it's mentioned by David Gaider that it works only for a particular narrative where the Hero of Ferelden made specific choices, including ones where Wynne and Shale survived and were befriended by the Hero of Ferelden during the Fifth Blight. It's made clear that the storyline would be impacted and different depending on who the Grey Warden was, what type of person became the Hero of Ferelden, including their specific choices across Ferelden, and the aftermath of those choices after the conclusion of Dragon Age II. One specific character wouldn't survive without Wynne's existance in the storyline, for instance, so that character would likely die in the respective universes where the Hero of Ferelden killed Wynne.

What I wonder is, how does everyone think the storyline would have changed in the universe of their respective Warden and Hawke?

[TEWR]

Whoa... this'll be tricky for Xanthos Aeducan and Tobias Hawke. I'll have to think about this carefully.

[DreGregoire]

Everybody is sexier in my storyline, but other than that it is pretty much spot on *smirks*

[Augustei]

Alistair sole ruler, my warden chancellor before disappearing with morrigan.. anvil destroyed Bhelen King, Circle saved all companions alive... except Loghain. Dalish curse ended. Amaranthine saved.. I'm not familiar with the books proper fleshed out Canon as i'm yet to read it and probably wont be able to for a while. But hoping that everything lines up fine

My Canon save is ever changing however so will see what the future holds

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 21 décembre 2011 - 04:58 .

[DiegoRaphael]

I don't know, i didnt read the book yet.

So you tell me: everyone lived (included Loghain) and all at the high of friendship, Alistar king and Anora Queen, Bhelen King, everyone at Redcliffs alive, mages side, elves side, did the DR, the Boon was the one about the Grey Wardens, both Vigil's and Amaranthine saved and also all companions lived, Vigil's fully upgraded, and went with Morrigan on the Eluvian.

Anything else that need to check?

[Ulicus]

As long as Wynne, Shale and Leliana were companions to your Warden, recruited at the earliest opportunity, knew each other, and survived all the way through the game... then almost everything will align perfectly except, possibly, for a few offhand lines that make reference to party composition. (I.E. the Warden of Asunder took Wynne and Shale with him/her to face the Archdemon atop Fort Drakon)

And it's implied everyone at Redcliffe was saved, insofar as Wynne makes reference to the use there of lyrium to enter the fade, rather than Jowan's blood magic ritual.

[thats1evildude]

I couldn't take Wynne and Shale. Morrigan, Leliana and Alistair all guilted me into taking them.

[Quinnzel]

That's...strangely accurate. I took my canon warden, Shale, Morrigan and Wynne to fight the Archdemon.

(Still waiting for my copy to arrive. Damnable Christmas Post!)

[Heimdall]

Aside from the presence of Shale at the Archdemon, I'm pretty sure I brought Wynne, the book lines up spot on.

[Heimdall]

Now I'm wondering if my theory of Evangeline as a companion in DA3 will prove untrue because she only lives if Wynne survives Origins. Actually, most of the Storyline in Asunder, at least involving the Rite of Tranquility plot, would have not occurred or occurred quite differently.

[jlb524]

LobselVith8 wrote...
What I wonder is, how does everyone think the storyline would have changed in the universe of their respective Warden and Hawke?

I think it fits fine with mine.

The only thing I thought of:  My Warden (Amell mage) would have wanted to attend the magi conclave at Andoral's Reach....if she was still around, of course.  The conclave occurs before Cassandra's interrogation of Varric so I'm not sure if the Warden had disappeared by that time or not.

My Warden always supported the Libertarians so I think that would be relevant to her interests.

I have no idea about my Hawke...she's off doing...Hawke things.  Killing ancient evils, murdering Orlesian lords... XD

[Jessihatt]

I think it worked for me, my warden was pretty much best friends with everyone and Alistair's Queen, but the monarchy wasn't mentioned specifically.

Although I sympathise with the mages as both the Warden (HN) and Hawke (mage), I don't want the circle to split from the Chantry completely, though I don't want it to be a prison ruled by them either.

Choosing a side in DA3 shall be tricky indeed!

[Heimdall]

CommanderJessica wrote...

I think it worked for me, my warden was pretty much best friends with everyone and Alistair's Queen, but the monarchy wasn't mentioned specifically.

Although I sympathise with the mages as both the Warden (HN) and Hawke (mage), I don't want the circle to split from the Chantry completely, though I don't want it to be a prison ruled by them either.

Choosing a side in DA3 shall be tricky indeed!

Depends on how moderate the Templars are or are not.  I'm pretty sure part of the point of Asunder was that the middle path has been torn to pieces.

[Jessihatt]

Lord Aesir wrote...

CommanderJessica wrote...

I think it worked for me, my warden was pretty much best friends with everyone and Alistair's Queen, but the monarchy wasn't mentioned specifically.

Although I sympathise with the mages as both the Warden (HN) and Hawke (mage), I don't want the circle to split from the Chantry completely, though I don't want it to be a prison ruled by them either.

Choosing a side in DA3 shall be tricky indeed!

Depends on how moderate the Templars are or are not.  I'm pretty sure part of the point of Asunder was that the middle path has been torn to pieces.

I know, but I can't believe all Templars will desert the Chantry.
A middle ground would seem too much like a fairy tale.
I'm going to look at the situation with fresh eyes with the new protagonist anyway.

[WhiteKnyght]

LobselVith8 wrote...

While the novel "Asunder" works for a particular storyline, it's mentioned by David Gaider that it works only for a particular narrative where the Hero of Ferelden made specific choices, including ones where Wynne and Shale survived and were befriended by the Hero of Ferelden during the Fifth Blight. It's made clear that the storyline would be impacted and different depending on who the Grey Warden was, what type of person became the Hero of Ferelden, including their specific choices across Ferelden, and the aftermath of those choices after the conclusion of Dragon Age II. One specific character wouldn't survive without Wynne's existance in the storyline, for instance, so that character would likely die in the respective universes where the Hero of Ferelden killed Wynne.

What I wonder is, how does everyone think the storyline would have changed in the universe of their respective Warden and Hawke?

Gaider said the books would have their own canon events. He said that right after the book was announced.

He also stated when the comic by Dark Horse was announced that if something in the comic differs from how you've played it, it still happens, albeit differently. Or didn't happen at all, like if Alistair were executed.

As for Wynne and Shale's presence in Asunder, it's possible Wynne could have survived if you nulled the Circle(her spirit brought her back from the brink of death once, arguably Wynne's life is tied with the spirit's and she will live as long as it does.) As for Shale, if not activated by the Warden in Honneleath it's still possible she could have been reactivated at a later date and circumstances lead her to the Cirlce of Magi and she met Wynne.

Instead of thinking of many reasons why Asunder's story wouldn't work for your playthrough, try instead to think of ways that it could.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 22 décembre 2011 - 09:19 .

[HiroVoid]

I figure Wynne survived from her spirit thing anyway if you killed her like how however Leliana survived.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Oops, I only took Wynne with me one one run and Shale on another. The only ppl to stay constant are Leliana (for her archery and rogue talents) and Morrigan (dark ritual!). Loghain or Alistair are never ever with the Warden in the fight against the Archdemon.

[TheCreeper]

Fits almost exactly with my Cousland run, expect for her being queen, if that was canon in the novel I imagine it would have been mentioned.

[Maria13]

Written a standalone fic about young Wynne which fits pretty well. Somehow I guessed the father of her child was a templar. Older Wynne appears in Dark Ritual and is pretty much the same beast as in Asunder.

I did kill Fiona off though...

[RagingCyclone]

For my Cousland Leliana is definitely not with the Divine as a bodyguard/agent...but the rest fit well. (Leliana in my canon is Teyrna of Gwaren...not back in Orlais).

[LobselVith8]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Gaider said the books would have their own canon events. He said that right after the book was announced.

And the entire point of this thread is to consider how each player's respective canon would transpire based on their own actions and decisions, which is why the following people made replies that considered what might have happened in the respective universes of their own Grey Warden protagonists.

The Grey Nayr wrote...

He also stated when the comic by Dark Horse was announced that if something in the comic differs from how you've played it, it still happens, albeit differently. Or didn't happen at all, like if Alistair were executed.

I don't see anything in my OP that disputes that. The entire point of the thread is to consider how the canon of the player would have unfolded, which is clearly evident in the title of the thread, "How do you think the storyline of Asunder worked in your Warden's canon?"

The Grey Nayr wrote...

As for Wynne and Shale's presence in Asunder, it's possible Wynne could have survived if you nulled the Circle(her spirit brought her back from the brink of death once, arguably Wynne's life is tied with the spirit's and she will live as long as it does.) As for Shale, if not activated by the Warden in Honneleath it's still possible she could have been reactivated at a later date and circumstances lead her to the Cirlce of Magi and she met Wynne.

Instead of thinking of many reasons why Asunder's story wouldn't work for your playthrough, try instead to think of ways that it could.

I don't think it would have taken long to realize that you completely missed the point of my OP... especially given the title of my thread.

[TEWR]

Eh, nothing actually changed for me (don't know why I needed to think about it). Aside from Wynne and Shale being left at the gates instead of facing the Archdemon, it's pretty much the same I guess.

[LinksOcarina]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Whoa... this'll be tricky for Xanthos Aeducan and Tobias Hawke. I'll have to think about this carefully.

I named one of my Hawkes Tobias too! Please tell me you made him an assassin rogue! That would be uncanny.


As for Asunder...didn't read it yet, not enough time too at the moment. 

[TEWR]

I actually used the name Tobias for my Warrior, Rogue, and Mage Hawkes. But I did make my Rogue Hawke an assassin .

Was your Tobias also a Duelist?

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 28 décembre 2011 - 06:49 .

[LinksOcarina]

I made that the secondary specialization too...

I don't know, Tobias seemed like a good rogue name. Luther and Abraham are my default Warrior/Mage names if it matters, for some reason those fit properly to me.