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[J4N3_M3]

I guess that is something I cannot understand either. Sure, writing fanfiction is nice but what I enjoy most about writing is creating my own characters and my own setting in which they interact. It gives me so much more freedom.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

I guess that is something I cannot understand either. Sure, writing fanfiction is nice but what I enjoy most about writing is creating my own characters and my own setting in which they interact. It gives me so much more freedom.

I agree. One of the things I love about the Dragon Age games (and Mass Effect, and every other BioWare game I've played) is the way we can create a character of our own and play out their stories in this brilliant fantasy world. And to think that someone would use that for evil... >_<

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Arassi wrote...

Here's proof she not only heard of Dragon Age, she wrote a whole series of books about Sten and the Warden. From a year ago...http://social.biowar...index/2653477/1

But, you probably already knew that. 

Yep, that's the thread I meant It even mentions the author's name in serveral posts!

Firky wrote...

Failure sucks. So does lack of acknowledgement. I'm not defending the person, mind. But I'm trying to look at it with a compassionate eye, I guess.

I remember asking EA about publishing an Ultima fanfiction of mine once. They sent a cut-and-paste-response-to-hopeless-fans stating  "no" and I was disappointed for a while. Then life continued.

Considering how many fans The Sten and the Warden apparently had, the author shouldn't have wanted for acknowledgement. She just wanted more -- from Bioware.

And possibly people's wallets.

Dasque wrote...

There have been other massively popular stories in fanfiction--SoLD's, for example.

Thankee

I've never heard of anyone pushing so hard to get it acknowledged.

Many of us pour hours of hard work and our hearts into our fics, but fanfiction is there to strengthen your writing, to build a work ethic to the craft, and to share something you love with other people who love it, too. She not only took credit for someone else's creation, she took something that was built by an entire team of talented writers who have paid their dues in trying to get discovered, and then let people attribute it to her own brilliance. I just can't get past that.

I doubt she's the first person to pull something like this, but it's still underhanded.

I wonder when we can expect The Arkrishal and the Heroine, with trusty sidekicks Varook, Evalyn, Isadora, Andy, Fenrir, Mavis and Bastion?

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 26 janvier 2012 - 10:57 .

[Maria13]

Well, if there was ever a reason for Bioware to keep us FFers on the light side...

[Firky]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I remember asking EA about publishing an Ultima fanfiction of mine once. They sent a cut-and-paste-response-to-hopeless-fans stating  "no" and I was disappointed for a while. Then life continued.

Wow. I know you wont take this the wrong way. Do you still have it? Can I read it?

PS. I'm very sorry you were disappointed. Totally their loss.

Edit: @Maria Yes. That.

Modifié par Firky, 26 janvier 2012 - 10:59 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Firky wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I remember asking EA about publishing an Ultima fanfiction of mine once. They sent a cut-and-paste-response-to-hopeless-fans stating  "no" and I was disappointed for a while. Then life continued.

Wow. I know you wont take this the wrong way. Do you still have it? Can I read it?

The rejection letter? TBPH I have no idea if I still have it. It was at least 10 years ago... *checks Hotmail* Not there. I did post it on an old Ultima forum for people to read the automated-style of the response, but that board's been down for a very long time. :/ I'd send it to you if I could, but it wasn't that interesting.

In essence it was a stock standard reply that EA could not grant permission for anything based on their IPs. It didn't address the major question of my email, that I recall, which was as there were already published novels set in the Ultima world (by Lynn Abbey -- not one of the game's writers as David Gaider is for Bioware's DA books), how might I go about doing something similar.

PS. I'm very sorry you were disappointed. Totally their loss.

Hah. Retrospectively, I'm kinda glad it was a no. My writing's gotten much better after 10 years. XD

[Firky]

I just googled Lynn Abbey and she shares my birthday. (Not the year.)

Still. I'm fascinated.

(I also understand the - phew, it got rejected - thing. Writing takes time. When it's ready, it's ready.)

I wonder if Ultima in the pre-EA days would have been any different. Not that I'm hassling EA, just that I'm wondering.

I once emailed Roberta Williams to say, "I love volleyball, please put it in the next Eco Quest." She replied by saying that she also likes volleyball and, interestingly, Eco Quest 2 has a volleyball game referenced in its narrative. I've never quite dared to believe that was because of my letter. (Also. I have lost her letter. I hate myself.)

Modifié par Firky, 26 janvier 2012 - 11:30 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Firky wrote...

I wonder if Ultima in the pre-EA days would have been any different. Not that I'm hassling EA, just that I'm wondering.

Hmm. Maybe. The first book, The Forge of Virtue, was published in 1991, and the second, Temper of Wisdom, in 1992. EA took over Origin Systems in 1992. I checked the books just now and they say copyright Lynn Abbey and Richard Garriott -- no reference to Electronic Arts.

Incidentally, that link I just found (and posted) above says that Lynn had been approached by Garriott to write the books, so that answers my question better than EA did.

Also, the series died after Temper of Wisdom due to the publishing company apparently thinking they were too good for books that tied in to games. According to Lynn, anyway.

I once emailed Roberta Williams to say, "I love volleyball, please put it in the next Eco Quest." She replied by saying that she also likes volleyball and, interestingly, Eco Quest 2 has a volleyball game referenced in its narrative. I've never quite dared to believe that was because of my letter. (Also. I have lost her letter. I hate myself.)

HAha, damn At least you have the fond memories? XD

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 26 janvier 2012 - 11:45 .

[Anaeme]

who won the contest?

[Firky]

^ Clearly, Lynn Abbey won the contest.

(Clearly.)

@SoL You're a historical wonder. (And I know that you're not going to take that the wrong way.)

[randomcheeses]

Anaeme wrote...

who won the contest?

It hasn't been announced yet, though the finalists have been selected. And as far as I know they haven't said who the finalists are.

[ColorMeSuprised]

They have been selected? Yai!

[BrennaCeDria]

I just have to ask, do you people ever sleep? Normally my phone's pretty quiet with the topic subscription emails overnight, but last night it just wouldn't stop!

[Firky]

Australia. Also, goodnight.

[BrennaCeDria]

Firky wrote...

Australia. Also, goodnight.

LOL, it's 7:30a here now, I've got to be up for work. To be fair, I probably was sleeping badly anyway. I normally don't hear too many of my phone's notifications when I sleep, even when there are a lot of them. Then again, maybe I should just put my phone someplace other than RIGHT next to my side of the bed.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Coming up to midnight here in my neck of Australia. Sleep time for me too!

[Bethadots]

Hakurou wrote...

BROGAINES BEFORE HOGAINES

...Sorry.

*snortlaugh*

Oh gosh, all this Sten and the Warden stuff has been such a nice distraction from all the suspense waiting for them to announce the winner. Thanks, whoever dug it up.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

^^

(quick additional post)

The funny thing is, she posted a lot of her stuff on her deviantart page. And you can still find some of it cached via Google with the original Dragon Age names!

I love the internet. Deleting stuff never works.

[Maria13]

Well I guess Bioware or EA could always try and use SOPA to take amazon.com offline...

(I'm making several highly dubious assumptions here, all tongue in cheek and some even fictional...)

That would make an interesting story....

Meanwhile... Michelle makes a mint!

Modifié par Maria13, 26 janvier 2012 - 01:57 .

[ColorMeSuprised]

That, my dear friends, is what you call plain stupid....

Whatever her name is, I can't believe someone tries to steal mental proberty from something big like Dragon Age. Someone was bound to notice... really...

And having posted everything on the internet, SoL you just made my day. I continue laughing why playing Dragon Age with my Sims (2).

[Freckles04]

I heard about this last night, and I have to say I'm downright disgusted. BioWare is really, really generous in allowing people to play in their sandbox, and that courtesy is repaid like this?

Any fanfiction I've written for Dragon Age has been with my personal understanding that every word I write, in essence, belongs to BioWare. It's their intellectual property.

I do firmly ascribe to the philosophy that there are no new stories, only new ways of telling them. But you still have to make the story your own. Taking the characters, plot and setting that someone else created and giving everything new names DOES NOT COUNT as making it your own.

[Corker]

Freckles04 wrote...

Any fanfiction I've written for Dragon Age has been with my personal understanding that every word I write, in essence, belongs to BioWare. It's their intellectual property.

No, the words you write are yours.  Bioware couldn't take someone's fanfiction and publish it without their consent, just like you can't republish their IP without their consent.

[ShadowCatJen]

To add fuel to the fire she apparently thought that she changed the story enough in the companion pieces to give her rights to post The Sten and The Warden using different names. What companion pieces you ask?

Tales from Frewyn - the "longest, ongoing, online romantic fantasy series" and
The Reporter from Marridon - where she adds a country of her own making so it's supposedly less and less like Dragon Age.

All of it, if I'm not mistaken, were one's she's posted before as fanfiction in one place or another. She's earned money off of this, folks. I very much have a foul taste in my mouth right now.

[Maria13]

Let's add to that: Malicious, malintentioned Michelle makes a mint!!!

[Freckles04]

Corker wrote...

Freckles04 wrote...

Any fanfiction I've written for Dragon Age has been with my personal understanding that every word I write, in essence, belongs to BioWare. It's their intellectual property.

No, the words you write are yours.  Bioware couldn't take someone's fanfiction and publish it without their consent, just like you can't republish their IP without their consent.

I know they don't technically belong to BioWare, and no, they're never going to take any fanfic for their own. But I'm playing in their sandbox, and that's my personal view.