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[ydaraishy]

My Name Does Not Matter wrote...

Hey guys, I'm a bit behind here. This has probably been established, but do any of you know where and when (what time, if you please) the results are going to be posted tomorrow? x)

Dug through this thread for twenty minutes before I gave up and decided to just ask.

Welp, in about an hour, it'll be zero hour Edmonton time...so it'll either be then or probably 0900+ Edmonton time?

Modifié par ydaraishy, 01 février 2012 - 05:58 .

[wangxiuming]

My Name Does Not Matter wrote...

Hey guys, I'm a bit behind here. This has probably been established, but do any of you know where and when (what time, if you please) the results are going to be posted tomorrow? x)

Dug through this thread for twenty minutes before I gave up and decided to just ask.

I don't think a specific time has been stated, though I assume it would be in the morning. Why I assume that, I do not know. 

[The Sarendoctrinator]

The results will be posted tomorrow! There's going to be a BioWare blog entry about it, and I'm sure someone (BioWare or the first contestant who finds it) will post that here as well.

rickf7666 wrote...

What I was hoping for by bringing this up is the opinions of the writers about story and canon.  And if your hired to write a story do they think it is important to get the details correct or to ignore them in service to the story you want to write.  I didn't bring it up to just bash the book.  There are a lot of other venues doing that farely thoroughly.  I guess I should have been more specific.

Yeah, I was just a little worried that people might start to bash the book here too. It tends to happen whenever Deception is mentioned in any thread on the forums.

To answer your question, I think the details are really important. I did a lot of fact-checking when I wrote my contest entry, like replaying the end of DA2 (the setting of my story, with the main character being a mage who escapes from the Gallows during the Battle of Kirkwall) to make sure I knew the location, how to describe the spells by casting the same ones my mage would use and watching the appearance of them, and remembered the order of events correctly. I also watched the alternate ending of siding with the templars on youtube to be sure that none of the things in my story would contradict what happened in anyone's game.

I would do it the same way if I was hired to write a story... you know, after I finished cheering for my good fortune.

[wangxiuming]

I agree with Sarendoctrinator - if you're going to write a story set in an established universe, the details and faithfulness to canon are incredibly important. As can be seen from what happened with the new Mass Effect book, when you deviate from established lore, you risk alienating your reader. After all, how can you expect the reader to accept your work as part of this universe, when what you write contradicts what has already happened?

Edit: made some better word choices.

Modifié par wangxiuming, 01 février 2012 - 06:27 .

[WhiteKnyght]

rickf7666 wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

rickf7 wrote...

Has anyone here heard about the new Mass Effect novel Deception and how terrible it is? Apparently, it is so full of errors that a guy posted a video of him burning the book. This sort of thing bothers me because it could happen to Dragon Age.

Could just be fan drama over the fact that it's a new author who doesn't write the same way as the old one.

Bioware fans seem to have a natural dislike to change. I wouldn't be surprised if copies of Mass Effect 3 end up getting ditched simply because they have a new guy composing the music.

"Omigosh, this music is hideous! I hate ME3 and curse Bioware forever for ruining this game for me." xD

It's not just that it is a different writer, it's that the story is to full of errors in ME lore that the fans who have read it have created a Google Doc listing all the errors.  https://docs.google....o/preview?pli=1

I've read the first 30 or so. And some of those can easily be explained away, or are there due to typing errors(Kai being N6 is just an over-dramatized mistroke of the keyboard.) Other details could have changed after Mass Effect 2 ended. We don't have 3 yet so we cant know what exactly has changed in the gap in time.

Most of it sounds like pointless complaining over petty stuff, or hasn't been considered thoroughly enough.

Some things are plain closed-mindedness too.

Otherwise, I'll say what I said on the ME Wikia page. This is just a rehash of the same BS that happened with DA2. People aren't liking the way things are put and described and are being overly dramatic.

[Pendral]

Yeah, but typing errors in a published novel? There should have been at least one copy editor or managing editor familiar with the universe looking it over. I'm lucky enough to have two educated fans, one a self proclaimed grammar **** look over my DA stories. They find so many typos. Books published by major companies should have at least that much oversight. Usually only big names in publishing like Anne Rice, can get away with not allowing an editor to touch it. Fresh eyes, not the author's, are important. There is no excuse for more than a handful of typos, let alone thirty in a professional work.

Modifié par Pendral, 01 février 2012 - 06:59 .

[Makon06]

Out of a general question while we wait, (not intending on derailing the Deception topic) but is there a place or such to possibly see if anyone would be interested in reading over a work-in-progress I have on a potential novel? Was uploading some revisions to it on another site (WritersCafe) when I had the idea that if anyone would be interested in taking a crack at reading a story, it'd be the Bioware community. Heck, I think even the topic about Deception right now is proving it, . Anyways, just didn't want to sit here and plug it in the wrong place or if it was against any forum rules or such.

[J4N3_M3]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

rickf7666 wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

rickf7 wrote...

Has anyone here heard about the new Mass Effect novel Deception and how terrible it is? Apparently, it is so full of errors that a guy posted a video of him burning the book. This sort of thing bothers me because it could happen to Dragon Age.

Could just be fan drama over the fact that it's a new author who doesn't write the same way as the old one.

Bioware fans seem to have a natural dislike to change. I wouldn't be surprised if copies of Mass Effect 3 end up getting ditched simply because they have a new guy composing the music.

"Omigosh, this music is hideous! I hate ME3 and curse Bioware forever for ruining this game for me." xD

It's not just that it is a different writer, it's that the story is to full of errors in ME lore that the fans who have read it have created a Google Doc listing all the errors.  https://docs.google....o/preview?pli=1

I've read the first 30 or so. And some of those can easily be explained away, or are there due to typing errors(Kai being N6 is just an over-dramatized mistroke of the keyboard.) Other details could have changed after Mass Effect 2 ended. We don't have 3 yet so we cant know what exactly has changed in the gap in time.

Most of it sounds like pointless complaining over petty stuff, or hasn't been considered thoroughly enough.

Some things are plain closed-mindedness too.

Otherwise, I'll say what I said on the ME Wikia page. This is just a rehash of the same BS that happened with DA2. People aren't liking the way things are put and described and are being overly dramatic.

no, Deception is bad! It's a bad story, badly written. I have read all novels so far and all comics and I rarely complain about things because I have better things to do but THIS 




should not happen in a published book. neither should an author produce such things nor should an editor let this go through. 

and there is much more. 

not to mention the erros in established lore which are denieably there. 

sorry, this is not about people being overly dramatic. this is about a bad story being badly written contradicting already established lore. 

Modifié par J4N3_M3, 01 février 2012 - 07:31 .

[J4N3_M3]

Makon06 wrote...

Out of a general question while we wait, (not intending on derailing the Deception topic) but is there a place or such to possibly see if anyone would be interested in reading over a work-in-progress I have on a potential novel? Was uploading some revisions to it on another site (WritersCafe) when I had the idea that if anyone would be interested in taking a crack at reading a story, it'd be the Bioware community. Heck, I think even the topic about Deception right now is proving it, . Anyways, just didn't want to sit here and plug it in the wrong place or if it was against any forum rules or such.

sure, you can send something over. I'm pretty much in reading mode at the moment anyway. i can pm you my email if you like or you can googledoc it if you prefer it that way. 

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Guys, there are other threads where people can bash Deception... we don't want to risk annoying the mods, right?

@Jane: It's interesting that you brought up word repetition, because that's something I try to avoid in my writing too. I probably spend more than enough time on stuff like that, but I'm really picky about my own work. I don't see anything wrong about starting a sentence with "There were..." though, as long as it makes sense in context..

[Makon06]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

sure, you can send something over. I'm pretty much in reading mode at the moment anyway. i can pm you my email if you like or you can googledoc it if you prefer it that way. 

Cool, . It's more of a modern paranormal story, currently in the 'revising and editing' phase. Currently the first round of edits are up to including Chapter 14, so it's still kind of raw. The easiest way I got of showing it is by my WritersCafe page, it breaks it down by chapters and seems to format it decently, so it's what I got. If a different method works, let me know.

www.writerscafe.org/writing/DarrowJ/781683/

Modifié par Makon06, 01 février 2012 - 07:45 .

[Gyrefalcon]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

Guys, there are other threads where people can bash Deception... we don't want to risk annoying the mods, right?

@Jane: It's interesting that you brought up word repetition, because that's something I try to avoid in my writing too. I probably spend more than enough time on stuff like that, but I'm really picky about my own work. I don't see anything wrong about starting a sentence with "There were..." though, as long as it makes sense in context..

Yeah, I've heard that people tend to have favorite words and that those words will creep into their writing.  So I agree with Sarendoctrinator and tend to go back through my story to try and catch myself  (Especially after I heard about "clench racing" for Stephen R. Donaldson books in a don't-do list.  It seems he likes that word a lot.  I've been warned that Stephenie Meyer is just as fond of "beautiful".  You have to watch yourself!)

[guitarbard]

Is anyone else dying from suspense? I'm DYING here...

[Makon06]

AndrastesGrace wrote...

Is anyone else dying from suspense? I'm DYING here...

You have no idea, .

[guitarbard]

Makon06 wrote...

AndrastesGrace wrote...

Is anyone else dying from suspense? I'm DYING here...

You have no idea, .

I keep refreshing the BioWare blog page and praying...it's getting a little ridiculous...

[The Sarendoctrinator]

AndrastesGrace wrote...

I keep refreshing the BioWare blog page and praying...it's getting a little ridiculous...

I think it's 1:30 AM BioWare time right now, so I wouldn't expect everything until morning.

[soozling]

AndrastesGrace wrote...

I keep refreshing the BioWare blog page and praying...it's getting a little ridiculous...

....I'm sooo glad I'm not the only one who is doing that! 

[J4N3_M3]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

Guys, there are other threads where people can bash Deception... we don't want to risk annoying the mods, right?

@Jane: It's interesting that you brought up word repetition, because that's something I try to avoid in my writing too. I probably spend more than enough time on stuff like that, but I'm really picky about my own work. I don't see anything wrong about starting a sentence with "There were..." though, as long as it makes sense in context..

May I direct you to two links that have helped my writing a lot in the past:

Battlechantress' blog:
Fanfic Writer Resources

and

The Craft of Writing

[guitarbard]

soozling wrote...

AndrastesGrace wrote...

I keep refreshing the BioWare blog page and praying...it's getting a little ridiculous...

....I'm sooo glad I'm not the only one who is doing that! 

\\o/ High five!

[Scrimgeour10]

I hate waiting for things with no idea when they are going to happen. As well as waiting for the results of this competition, I'm also waiting for my new PC to arrive either today or tomorrow...excited doesn't even cover it...

[BlazePT]

Scrimgeour10 wrote...

I hate waiting for things with no idea when they are going to happen. As well as waiting for the results of this competition, I'm also waiting for my new PC to arrive either today or tomorrow...excited doesn't even cover it...

The internet made us all a bit impatient. We are accostumed of getting everything now that the thought of waiting is unbearable. 

PRESS ALL THE F5

[guitarbard]

BlazePT wrote...

Scrimgeour10 wrote...

I hate waiting for things with no idea when they are going to happen. As well as waiting for the results of this competition, I'm also waiting for my new PC to arrive either today or tomorrow...excited doesn't even cover it...

The internet made us all a bit impatient. We are accostumed of getting everything now that the thought of waiting is unbearable. 

PRESS ALL THE F5

That's true; we're all so spoiled now. Still, though, I DO remember the sound dial-up made when it connected, so once upon a time I suppose we had patience...

I wonder if internet speed accounts for a lot of ADD?

[BlazePT]

AndrastesGrace wrote...

BlazePT wrote...

Scrimgeour10 wrote...

I hate waiting for things with no idea when they are going to happen. As well as waiting for the results of this competition, I'm also waiting for my new PC to arrive either today or tomorrow...excited doesn't even cover it...

The internet made us all a bit impatient. We are accostumed of getting everything now that the thought of waiting is unbearable. 

PRESS ALL THE F5

That's true; we're all so spoiled now. Still, though, I DO remember the sound dial-up made when it connected, so once upon a time I suppose we had patience...

I wonder if internet speed accounts for a lot of ADD?

It does! Look, I should be working now but no, I am here. So, my attention span is very limited.
Tales go that once when I was a kid  I used to play with string for hours, now? I can't do anything 1 hour long without getting bored.

[soozling]

BlazePT wrote...

Tales go that once when I was a kid  I used to play with string for hours, now? I can't do anything 1 hour long without getting bored.

When I read this, I thought you might've been my cat. Those words could've come straight from his mouth!

[The Sarendoctrinator]

BlazePT wrote...

I can't do anything 1 hour long without getting bored.

Not even playing BioWare games? Oh, if I could, I would play them for many hours at a time.