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Mass Effect:

Grunt - unprotected upper arm

A lot of characters in ME doesn't have armor, but they may not need it since they have shields.


And biotic barrier. Krogans have natural armor/regeneration. Upper-arm armor for Grunt would probably impede his aiming.

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Qunari Soldier, Qunari Commander and Qunari Arishok - Mainly bare bodies supposed to show their muscle kind of like Conan or barbarian I assume. The shoulder pads are mainly for indication of rank. But you'd think that this technologically advanced people who conquered half of Thedas before would have some kind of full military armor.


If you were wearing full plate armor when your ship wrecked across a reef, you'd probably sink in the water.

Assuming they had to swim to shore of course.

Plus, they can't exactly go out to the market and buy armor, as that would look really suspicious.

I imagine with the coming Qunari invasion they'll be adorned in full plate armor like the codex said they were during the first Qunari invasion.

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Qunari Soldier, Qunari Commander and Qunari Arishok - Mainly bare bodies supposed to show their muscle kind of like Conan or barbarian I assume. The shoulder pads are mainly for indication of rank. But you'd think that this technologically advanced people who conquered half of Thedas before would have some kind of full military armor.


If you were wearing full plate armor when your ship wrecked across a reef, you'd probably sink in the water.

Assuming they had to swim to shore of course.

Plus, they can't exactly go out to the market and buy armor, as that would look really suspicious.

I imagine with the coming Qunari invasion they'll be adorned in full plate armor like the codex said they were during the first Qunari invasion.


I'm sure they only wear armor when expecting combat. Not sleep or shower in armor.

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Qunari Soldier, Qunari Commander and Qunari Arishok - Mainly bare bodies supposed to show their muscle kind of like Conan or barbarian I assume. The shoulder pads are mainly for indication of rank. But you'd think that this technologically advanced people who conquered half of Thedas before would have some kind of full military armor.


If you were wearing full plate armor when your ship wrecked across a reef, you'd probably sink in the water.

Assuming they had to swim to shore of course.

Plus, they can't exactly go out to the market and buy armor, as that would look really suspicious.

I imagine with the coming Qunari invasion they'll be adorned in full plate armor like the codex said they were during the first Qunari invasion.


They spent at least four years in Kirkwall and not one, not a single one had armour plating. This is stretching suspension of disbelief a bit.

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alex90c wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Qunari Soldier, Qunari Commander and Qunari Arishok - Mainly bare bodies supposed to show their muscle kind of like Conan or barbarian I assume. The shoulder pads are mainly for indication of rank. But you'd think that this technologically advanced people who conquered half of Thedas before would have some kind of full military armor.


If you were wearing full plate armor when your ship wrecked across a reef, you'd probably sink in the water.

Assuming they had to swim to shore of course.

Plus, they can't exactly go out to the market and buy armor, as that would look really suspicious.

I imagine with the coming Qunari invasion they'll be adorned in full plate armor like the codex said they were during the first Qunari invasion.


They spent at least four years in Kirkwall and not one, not a single one had armour plating. This is stretching suspension of disbelief a bit.

Given the fact that they're segragated in a tiny corner of the city, with no money and nothing they can or will sell to get it, having any at all would be far less believable.

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this was a fun article. and i lol'd at this:


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Thief-of-Hearts, So did I!!! :lol:

I think DA2 actually did a super dee duper job with female armor.  I'm still peeved about the female "run" and "walk" (because when I walk, my hips naturally sashay alluringly back and forth ... no, wait a second, THEY DON'T).  

I love what he said about showing a peek of something you don't often see; it's true with guys as well as girls.  I love playing male rogues because I often get to stare at M!Hawke's yummy thighs LOL This was partly true in Origins; I found I couldn't stop staring at Zevran's skinny little legs *snorts at self*

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alex90c wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Qunari Soldier, Qunari Commander and Qunari Arishok - Mainly bare bodies supposed to show their muscle kind of like Conan or barbarian I assume. The shoulder pads are mainly for indication of rank. But you'd think that this technologically advanced people who conquered half of Thedas before would have some kind of full military armor.


If you were wearing full plate armor when your ship wrecked across a reef, you'd probably sink in the water.

Assuming they had to swim to shore of course.

Plus, they can't exactly go out to the market and buy armor, as that would look really suspicious.

I imagine with the coming Qunari invasion they'll be adorned in full plate armor like the codex said they were during the first Qunari invasion.


They spent at least four years in Kirkwall and not one, not a single one had armour plating. This is stretching suspension of disbelief a bit.



"Why is that Qunari buying armor? Holy Maker they're going to kill us! Let's get them!"

Seriously, wearing full plate armor in deep water would just be incredibly idiotic. You would sink. And expecting them to buy armor in a city that sees them as vile heretics planning an invasion is wrong. Expecting the Antaam -- the military -- to make armor when none of them are blacksmiths is also wrong.

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Not sure if this helps the Isabela discussion, but this is what Gaider told me a year ago when I was asking about the way Isabela looked after I first saw the trailer with her in it.

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Siradix wrote...
So we were told that chainmail bikins were never going to be included in DA2, understandable. But what's with having Isabela wear an outfit so short that we can see butt every time she jumps? Or is this the current fad? Side boobs for 2009 and butts for 2011.


We were never against having sexy outfits. What we were trying to do is not have everything be sexy and revealing, even when it didn't make any sense. Our heavy armor is still heavy even on female characters (you can see this in the Lady Hawke armor, for instance) and even for non-armor outfits there are still more modest versions, depending on the character in question.



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I honestly don't care if females (and males) charge into battle wearing a chainmail bikini or the most practical armor to ever be practical. All I care about is how shiny it is and if it looks good splattered in blood  :happy:

Modifié par Sabariel, 22 décembre 2011 - 11:40 .


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Siradix wrote...

Not sure if this helps the Isabela discussion, but this is what Gaider told me a year ago when I was asking about the way Isabela looked after I first saw the trailer with her in it.

David Gaider wrote...

Siradix wrote...
So we were told that chainmail bikins were never going to be included in DA2, understandable. But what's with having Isabela wear an outfit so short that we can see butt every time she jumps? Or is this the current fad? Side boobs for 2009 and butts for 2011.


We were never against having sexy outfits. What we were trying to do is not have everything be sexy and revealing, even when it didn't make any sense. Our heavy armor is still heavy even on female characters (you can see this in the Lady Hawke armor, for instance) and even for non-armor outfits there are still more modest versions, depending on the character in question.



That part of Isabela's outfit is honestly very dumb.  I mean, she's wearing panties.  PANTIES.  It's stupid.  Her top is practical and sexy, and I love it.  The boots are sexy.  Like the article showed, you don't have to show skin for a character to be sexy, and the boots prove it.  But walking around in your panties?  Really??????

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That part of Isabela's outfit is honestly very dumb.  I mean, she's wearing panties.  PANTIES.  It's stupid.  Her top is practical and sexy, and I love it.  The boots are sexy.  Like the article showed, you don't have to show skin for a character to be sexy, and the boots prove it.  But walking around in your panties?  Really??????


What are you talking about? Everyone knows pirates have no pants because umm.... uh... yeah I have no idea what the decison process behind that was.

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Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

That part of Isabela's outfit is honestly very dumb.  I mean, she's wearing panties.  PANTIES.  It's stupid.  Her top is practical and sexy, and I love it.  The boots are sexy.  Like the article showed, you don't have to show skin for a character to be sexy, and the boots prove it.  But walking around in your panties?  Really??????


What are you talking about? Everyone knows pirates have no pants because umm.... uh... yeah I have no idea what the decison process behind that was.


It makes sense for her character therefore it's perfectly reasonable!

*cough*

Yeah right.

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to be fair, you could enchant her armor with armor runes, which is better than nothing if you don't like her appearance.

Because then she's wearing something that's comfortable and is enchanted to give her more protection than one would think.

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

to be fair, you could enchant her armor with armor runes, which is better than nothing if you don't like her appearance.

Because then she's wearing something that's comfortable and is enchanted to give her more protection than one would think.


Well then why doesn't everyone else go around in skimpy outfits since they can just get them enchanted? 

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It's pricey and you have to have the right connections. You either need to know a Tranquil, a Dwarf, or be an enchantments expert yourself

And some people may not believe a tiny rune can really do all that.

Though I gather you're being sarcastic.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 22 décembre 2011 - 06:16 .


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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

It's pricey and you have to have the right connections. You either need to know a Tranquil, a Dwarf, or be an enchantments expert yourself

And some people may not believe a tiny rune can really do all that.

Though I gather you're being sarcastic.


I'm not being sarcastic, I'm being deadly serious. The day people start accepting armour runes as a justification for characters being allowed to go in to combat scantily clad is the day Bioware can move openly from proper suits of armour to boobplates and chainmail bikinis. The armour designs in DA:O were fine (the armour boobs were a bit odd, but didn't really bother me much), but DA2's are starting to move towards the generic fantasy designs of spikes galore (Two Worlds 2 made me want to gouge my eyes out when I saw some guy's armour on that) and I just feel that they're soon going to go "generic" on the female armour designs too, not exactly Tera Online bad, but still pretty bad.

Since I'm guessing many of the entities in Thedas build their own armies I suppose we can just stop forging armour and just give them an 'ol rune or two to protect the guys and girls in the armies and that'll be cool amirite?:bandit:

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Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

this was a fun article. and i lol'd at this:


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Isn't that Warlord from DC? Never thought anyone would have to balls to put on that armor.

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alex90c wrote...


I'm not being sarcastic, I'm being deadly serious. The day people start accepting armour runes as a justification for characters being allowed to go in to combat scantily clad is the day Bioware can move openly from proper suits of armour to boobplates and chainmail bikinis. The armour designs in DA:O were fine (the armour boobs were a bit odd, but didn't really bother me much), but DA2's are starting to move towards the generic fantasy designs of spikes galore (Two Worlds 2 made me want to gouge my eyes out when I saw some guy's armour on that) and I just feel that they're soon going to go "generic" on the female armour designs too, not exactly Tera Online bad, but still pretty bad.

I don't understand your logic here. DA2 was an improvement in female armor design over Origins, but because you don't like the style, it means they are going back to boob plates and bare midriffs?

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Atakuma wrote...

alex90c wrote...


I'm not being sarcastic, I'm being deadly serious. The day people start accepting armour runes as a justification for characters being allowed to go in to combat scantily clad is the day Bioware can move openly from proper suits of armour to boobplates and chainmail bikinis. The armour designs in DA:O were fine (the armour boobs were a bit odd, but didn't really bother me much), but DA2's are starting to move towards the generic fantasy designs of spikes galore (Two Worlds 2 made me want to gouge my eyes out when I saw some guy's armour on that) and I just feel that they're soon going to go "generic" on the female armour designs too, not exactly Tera Online bad, but still pretty bad.

I don't understand your logic here. DA2 was an improvement in female armor design over Origins, but because you don't like the style, it means they are going back to boob plates and bare midriffs?


How was it an improvement? 

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alex90c wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

alex90c wrote...


I'm not being sarcastic, I'm being deadly serious. The day people start accepting armour runes as a justification for characters being allowed to go in to combat scantily clad is the day Bioware can move openly from proper suits of armour to boobplates and chainmail bikinis. The armour designs in DA:O were fine (the armour boobs were a bit odd, but didn't really bother me much), but DA2's are starting to move towards the generic fantasy designs of spikes galore (Two Worlds 2 made me want to gouge my eyes out when I saw some guy's armour on that) and I just feel that they're soon going to go "generic" on the female armour designs too, not exactly Tera Online bad, but still pretty bad.

I don't understand your logic here. DA2 was an improvement in female armor design over Origins, but because you don't like the style, it means they are going back to boob plates and bare midriffs?


How was it an improvement? 

Well, if your idea of improvement is that it "covers more" or whatever, all the armor for a female Hawke has the same design covers the exact same areas that it does for a male Hawke. Aside from conforming to her body shape, every individual piece is pretty much identical for both genders. This is a notable change from Origins, where light armor on female characters left a substantial area exposed.

But yeah, no, let's ignore the dozens upon dozens of examples of perfectly sensible, non-revealing female armor, and hold up a single non-player character as indisputable proof of DA's slide into chainmail bikini territory. That's rational.

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alex90c wrote...


I'm not being sarcastic, I'm being deadly serious. The day people start accepting armour runes as a justification for characters being allowed to go in to combat scantily clad is the day Bioware can move openly from proper suits of armour to boobplates and chainmail bikinis.


Isabela's the only case of it though in DAII, and her connections to Hawke make it perfectly believable.

For other people, it wouldn't be believable because runes are pricey, can only be handled by competent Tranquil/Dwarven enchantment experts, and other things. 

The armour designs in DA:O were fine (the armour boobs were a bit odd, but didn't really bother me much),


Boobplates do exist in our world. The article's author has made them before. Blacksmiths in Thedas probably make armor like the Chainmail in Origins based around how big the woman's boobs are.

So there's nothing odd about it. The armour would crush the boobs if it wasn't fitted to them.


 
but DA2's are starting to move towards the generic fantasy designs of spikes galore (Two Worlds 2 made me want to gouge my eyes out when I saw some guy's armour on that)


So you're going to gouge your eyes on the spikey armor? Image IPB

And aside from the Champion armor, Dimension, and the Darkspawn "armor", what armor was spikey?


EDIT: and just to be sure, are we defining "spikey" to mean "pointy", and not actually spikey like the armor the Genlocks wore in Origins?

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I miss the gaint shoulder pads made me feel like a transformer ><

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I hated how Sten's face would clip into those things when he crossed his arms over his chest and shrugged.

But I did like those armor set's general look

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...


The armour designs in DA:O were fine (the armour boobs were a bit odd, but didn't really bother me much),


Boobplates do exist in our world. The article's author has made them before. Blacksmiths in Thedas probably make armor like the Chainmail in Origins based around how big the woman's boobs are.

So there's nothing odd about it. The armour would crush the boobs if it wasn't fitted to them.


You obviously missed the bit where he explained that it was made for a cosplayer  to look good in and that it is not functional practical armour because if she falls wrong it could crack her sternum. Going into an actual battle with it would be downright dangerous, not to mention insane. It wouldn't protect her at all.

His entire point was that having exact-fitting boob-plate is highly impractical and unrealistic. And horribly dangerous.

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