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[TEWR]

randomcheeses wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The armour designs in DA:O were fine (the armour boobs were a bit odd, but didn't really bother me much),

Boobplates do exist in our world. The article's author has made them before. Blacksmiths in Thedas probably make armor like the Chainmail in Origins based around how big the woman's boobs are.

So there's nothing odd about it. The armour would crush the boobs if it wasn't fitted to them.

You obviously missed the bit where he explained that it was made for a cosplayer  to look good in and that it is not functional practical armour because if she falls wrong it could crack her sternum. Going into an actual battle with it would be downright dangerous, not to mention insane. It wouldn't protect her at all.

My point wasn't that going into battle wearing just a boobplate happened. It's that actual armor was designed with boobplates.

And by boob plate, I mean the armor boobs that alex90c was talking about. I don't mean just a boob plate.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 22 décembre 2011 - 09:35 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Plaintiff wrote...

Well, if your idea of improvement is that it "covers more" or whatever, all the armor for a female Hawke has the same design covers the exact same areas that it does for a male Hawke. Aside from conforming to her body shape, every individual piece is pretty much identical for both genders. This is a notable change from Origins, where light armor on female characters left a substantial area exposed.

But yeah, no, let's ignore the dozens upon dozens of examples of perfectly sensible, non-revealing female armor, and hold up a single non-player character as indisputable proof of DA's slide into chainmail bikini territory. That's rational.

Totally agree; I think, other than Isabela's outfit, that DA2 was a tremendous improvement upon female armor.  Now the only way I can tell male and female templars apart is to notice that female templars stand like sassy hookers.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Isabela's the only case of it though in DAII, and her connections to Hawke make it perfectly believable.

Dude ... she is wearing panties.

I've never met a woman before who wears panties and nothing else.  Good god, even Samantha on Sex and the City saw fit to put on a pair of pants or a skirt.  

[Jcarlo123]

This whole thread just made me think of this collegehumor short:



Watch it. It's hilarious.

[Sabariel]

motomotogirl wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Well, if your idea of improvement is that it "covers more" or whatever, all the armor for a female Hawke has the same design covers the exact same areas that it does for a male Hawke. Aside from conforming to her body shape, every individual piece is pretty much identical for both genders. This is a notable change from Origins, where light armor on female characters left a substantial area exposed.

But yeah, no, let's ignore the dozens upon dozens of examples of perfectly sensible, non-revealing female armor, and hold up a single non-player character as indisputable proof of DA's slide into chainmail bikini territory. That's rational.

Totally agree; I think, other than Isabela's outfit, that DA2 was a tremendous improvement upon female armor.  Now the only way I can tell male and female templars apart is to notice that female templars stand like sassy hookers.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Isabela's the only case of it though in DAII, and her connections to Hawke make it perfectly believable.

Dude ... she is wearing panties.

I've never met a woman before who wears panties and nothing else.  Good god, even Samantha on Sex and the City saw fit to put on a pair of pants or a skirt.  

She's not wearing panties and nothing else. She's wearing panties and a dress. Admittedly, it's a short dress, but her boots are practically pants anyway.

[Nerevar-as]

Sabariel wrote...

She's not wearing panties and nothing else. She's wearing panties and a dress. Admittedly, it's a short dress, but her boots are practically pants anyway.

It´s a shirt, not a dress. To be fair to BW, she goes down really fast, at least on NM difficulty. She probably must look worse than Geralt under that shirt too.

[Mecha Tengu]

Sends Spec Ops team to combat viral zombie infection

female squaddie has exposed upper chest

lulz

[Gunderic]

This article seems quite balanced and interesting. I agree that a fantasy universe that takes itself seriously (lolo ok, we got that out of the way) should have its characters use proper armour, unless they fit the barbarian archetype, like the writer mentioned.

[Nozybidaj]

I assume the person that wrote that also prefers sugar free candy, decaf coffee, and non-alcoholic beer.

Personally I prefer to keep some fantasy in my fantasy games.  I'll take a good Conan or Red Sonja impersonation over this any day of the week.

[Zanallen]

Nerevar-as wrote...

It´s a shirt, not a dress. To be fair to BW, she goes down really fast, at least on NM difficulty. She probably must look worse than Geralt under that shirt too.

Technically its a tunic or perhaps a shift/chemise.

[katling73]

Zanallen wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

It´s a shirt, not a dress. To be fair to BW, she goes down really fast, at least on NM difficulty. She probably must look worse than Geralt under that shirt too.

Technically its a tunic or perhaps a shift/chemise.

I think that's just semantics really. It's a bit silly, is what it really is.

If I have Isabella in my party, I'm always careful to NOT add any points to her constitution if I'm going for as much realism as possible. I think it's unrealistic to up her health if she's wearing nothing but panties and a long shirt and insists on being in the heart of combat (as a dual wield rogue). Instead I make her extremely crunchy. If she was wearing even light leather armour of some description I'd up her con a bit more but as she stands right now - crunchy!

[GodWood]

How all female armour in DA games should be

Fully covered, padded out and pretty much identical to the male armour.

Modifié par GodWood, 26 décembre 2011 - 03:55 .

[Gunderic]

Nozybidaj wrote...

I assume the person that wrote that also prefers sugar free candy, decaf coffee, and non-alcoholic beer.

Personally I prefer to keep some fantasy in my fantasy games.  I'll take a good Conan or Red Sonja impersonation over this any day of the week.

That's not even remotely relevant. 

'Fantasy' armour like that of Tera Online just lowers down the bar for the whole genre. I mean really, what's the appeal of seeing women in some... well, bastardized version of medieval armour. Stop thinking with your penis. I'll take 'that' armour over the loli models of Tera online, or spacesuit thongs any day. 

Also some people might not get that from those pictures but Tera online has child character models that border on pedobear seal of approval.

Modifié par Gunderic, 26 décembre 2011 - 01:23 .

[Nozybidaj]

Gunderic wrote...
'Fantasy' armour like that of Tera Online just lowers down the bar for the whole genre. I mean really, what's the appeal of seeing women in some... well, bastardized version of medieval armour. Stop thinking with your penis. I'll take 'that' armour over the loli models of Tera online, or spacesuit thongs any day.

It has nothing to do with "thinking with your penis", though the fact that this response is typically the first and only response from people opposed to fantasy armors in fantasy games shows to me pretty clearly confusions and/or inadequacies on the part of the responders. 

I also fail to see what the issue really is anyway, aside from the occasional character like Isabella most game makers are so afraid of offending the "politically correct" portions of their playerbases most characters in games today tend to look like walking tin cans.  Seems to me the folks doing the complaining already have what they want...

[CuriousArtemis]

Nozybidaj wrote...

I also fail to see what the issue really is anyway, aside from the occasional character like Isabella most game makers are so afraid of offending the "politically correct" portions of their playerbases most characters in games today tend to look like walking tin cans.  Seems to me the folks doing the complaining already have what they want...

Oh, you mean, like, WOMEN?  I didn't realize having boobs and a vagina made me a "politically correct portion of the fanbase" by defaut.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

^^ Not all players, including female ones, want their fem!PC to look masculine. Some players, including female ones, want their fem!PC to show a lot of skin. It might not be practical, but what do they care? It's a fantasy game. They want their character to look how they want their character to look.

I don't mind revealing fantasy armour so long as I
a) don't have it shoved in my face (especially by marketing)
have the choice to dress characters in something else.

[Elton John]

Some of those images = :O:O:O

Yes. Female armor is often very fake. DA got it right.

Modifié par Elton John, 27 décembre 2011 - 05:58 .

[Gunderic]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Gunderic wrote...
'Fantasy' armour like that of Tera Online just lowers down the bar for the whole genre. I mean really, what's the appeal of seeing women in some... well, bastardized version of medieval armour. Stop thinking with your penis. I'll take 'that' armour over the loli models of Tera online, or spacesuit thongs any day.

It has nothing to do with "thinking with your penis", though the fact that this response is typically the first and only response from people opposed to fantasy armors in fantasy games shows to me pretty clearly confusions and/or inadequacies on the part of the responders. 

I also fail to see what the issue really is anyway, aside from the occasional character like Isabella most game makers are so afraid of offending the "politically correct" portions of their playerbases most characters in games today tend to look like walking tin cans.  Seems to me the folks doing the complaining already have what they want...

It's not poltically correct to put your gerbil in a tin can. It's safe.

I fail to see why people who don't think with their penis/other would want that. I prefer to think it's the former as opposed to a simple lack of good taste/wanting your character to look like Lady Gaga. 

[Gunderic]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

^^ Not all players, including female ones, want their fem!PC to look masculine. Some players, including female ones, want their fem!PC to show a lot of skin. It might not be practical, but what do they care? It's a fantasy game. They want their character to look how they want their character to look.

Not everyone thinks donning armour makes women look masculine...

[nightscrawl]

Eddo36 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Seems to me like Bioware already adheres to this. Not much to say, really.

That article has a character from NWN as a bad example.

In a way, it's not really a fair example. NWN is almost 10 years old now. Bioware has come a long way with their fantasy female armor since then with DAO and DA2. NWN had dozens of boob plates and corsets, whereas DAO and DA2 have but one (heavy armor model from DAO accentuates the breasts - no female pics shown unfortunately). As someone who spent hours in the Aurora toolset playing with the armor trying to make something decent, it was a pleasant surprise.

Even the World of Warcraft example isn't very fair. Yes, on the initial release of the game there were a lot of plate bikinis around. It was ridiculous. However, they've largely moved away from that design now because they recognized that it was absurd. Take for example the recent raid sets for warrior, paladin, and death knight; all versions for male and female look exactly the same (click the view in 3d button to pick a different race/gender).

I did think the article was interesting, but it doesn't give credit to how a company can improve over time. Even with the two Bioware examples shown, a Mass Effect 2 space suit from 2007 is certainly very different from NWN plate armor from 2002.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 28 décembre 2011 - 12:50 .