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[Ryzaki]

JeffZero wrote...
It was an exaggeration on my part to say I've never been bullied, but I kind of meant on the level that Ryzaki insinuated. The hugely damaging level.

As for paying it forward, I prefer to do so with nice things.

Yeah I wouldn't wish it on anyone. It sucks.

I prefer to do the nice things to people who deserve it and tell everyone else to kick rocks.

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I too have to apologize, I sound
like an @ss. I don't mean it isn't, it just isn't on the same level as
something like one's parents psychologically and emotionally abusing
one.

I apologize.

I'd agree.

When you have to deal with both though.... Your parents tell you you're crap...then you go to school/outside and have it reinforced. Hard not to want to jump off a bridge in that scenario and I respect anyone who had the strength to go through it and come out ontop.

Apology accepted. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

@Youknow: I think one time I got her to tell my dude Shep to stop pissing around. Wasn't much better than the f*** off but at least she wasn't biting his head off for not wanting to romance her.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 décembre 2011 - 05:35 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Is it? If I lose respect for both men and women for the same causes, how is it sexist?

Then it's just prudish.  Sleeping around is hardly a virtue, but it's not a reason to see someone as less worthy.

Plus, you have a history of sexism:

"I still can't believe you're female. You have larger balls then most of the people on this forum."

Implying that I'd normally require a penis to obtain my sheer level of badassery.  Now, you meant it as a compliment, but still, your definition of "female" does not include boldness or flippancy, which are obviously not absent in women.

[JeffZero]

You don't have to go on crusades to be a badass. But in Cheez's case, it helps.

[N7 Spectre525]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Are you seriously making the suggestion that bullying isn't abuse of a sort? 

Now If you're gonna say it's not on the same level I'd agree. But bullying (especially extreme bullying) can be extremely psychologically damaging. There's more to bullying than just pushing someone down on the playground and laughing as they get mud in their hair. That's a form of it sure but that's certainly not the only one.

Being made to feel like ****, like you're nothing, that can come just as easily from strangers as it can from your parents and it's damaging either way. Luckily some of the time with bullying the family is a fallback but it's not always that way.

And ugh I sound preachy. NVM.

I too have to apologize, I sound like an @ss. I don't mean it isn't, it just isn't on the same level as something like one's parents psychologically and emotionally abusing one.

I apologize.

You have no clue. I went to school with a young lady who commited suicide because of being bullied on a regular basis. Mentally and physically being bullied at an age when you're still trying to find yourself can be very damaging.

[Volus Warlord]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Is it? If I lose respect for both men and women for the same causes, how is it sexist?

Then it's just prudish.  Sleeping around is hardly a virtue, but it's not a reason to see someone as less worthy.

Plus, you have a history of sexism:

"I still can't believe you're female. You have larger balls then most of the people on this forum."

Implying that I'd normally require a penis to obtain my sheer level of badassery.  Now, you meant it as a compliment, but still, your definition of "female" does not include boldness or flippancy, which are obviously not absent in women.

Miss, it is a figure of speech. Nothing more. 

Why is whenever I compliment people, they try to turn my compliments against me? I guess I'll have to stop complimenting people.

[kirvingtwo]

Youknow wrote...

Jack is alright. My biggest problem is how she seems to handle herself considerably better when you are a female than when you are a male... Almost makes it feel like she tried to guilt trip you into that scene...

She tells you to stop bothering her when you are a female and acts like "you're cool Shep, but I'm cool, and I don't feel like hanging out with you 24/7." I wish you could get that with her as a male, but NO you just get "**** off!"

Well except when picking a certain paragon dialogue choice with Jack that she chooses to interpret as a come on from femshep and then she just shuts any conversation down and sulks.  I actually liked her up until that point.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Can't you stand a strong nord woman?!

Nuff said.

[Cheesy Blue]

 "Strong Females"? lol no such thing 

[AdmiralCheez]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Miss, it is a figure of speech. Nothing more.

I didn't mind the balls part.  What bugged me was that my gender was a surprise to you.  Why is a ballsy female an anomaly, hm?

Why is whenever I compliment people, they try to turn my compliments against me? I guess I'll have to stop complimenting people.

That, or you could adjust your mental constructs of male and female.

[Ryzaki]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

Can't you stand a strong nord woman?!

Nuff said.

Seriously everytime I heard that I wanted to punch her in the face. It was annoying the 1st time It was annoying the 99999th time.

I just wanted to say b**** STFU before I cleave you in two.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 décembre 2011 - 05:49 .

[JeffZero]

Cheesy Blue wrote...

 "Strong Females"? lol no such thing 

It's like it's a spambot that occasionally pops up in bustling threads to sell us hatemongering sofas.

[Volus Warlord]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Miss, it is a figure of speech. Nothing more.

I didn't mind the balls part.  What bugged me was that my gender was a surprise to you.  Why is a ballsy female an anomaly, hm?

Hm..

Well, when meeting in person, someone's gender is far more often than not brutally obvious. In person, someone's gender is often the first thing you know about them, with race and other such things to ruthlessly profile them with.

Online, no visible contact is made. So, you are forced to assume one's gender. I generally assume male and change to female if someone blatantly says "I'm female." It's just my first guess and generally a good one. Then again, there are instances where I'd forum with a person for months and find out after all that they are female. I'm a little slow to figure that one out:D. It's analogous to trying to discern internet sarcasm.  It's not something that is as obvious as you would think.

As to redefining my preconceptions, eh, not gonna happen. No point. If people want you to know their gender, they'll say so. And then I make a mental note of that, forget it later and refer to them in a week by the wrong pronouns, and then you'll holler at me for using the wrong pronouns, and life goes on.

Although I must say I really like the term "mysgonist" or whatever it was. I learn something here every day :happy:. I take pride in my villainy. Good night and keep your balls large!

Modifié par Volus Warlord, 21 décembre 2011 - 06:00 .

[AdmiralCheez]

@Volus Warlord: So it doesn't bother you that your perceptions of the world are both incorrect and harmful?

Well, okay then.

[chatters1994]

I was just thinking, Bioware have to be the most socially progressive game devs at the moment (although there was acerbic satire in the GTA series if you looked for it)
Gay partnerships, a blind eye to gender in most cases, and other stuff.

[Fishy]

A lot of bullies talking here. Any kind of intimidation can have a dramatic effect on someone psychological health and self-worth. Just losing your job can be devastating.

Jack was a well made character and it's nice a change from the overly confident bad ass character with no flaw. Like Shepard.

[MassStorm]

To be honest strong females are quite a cliché nowadays....so really nothing that new

[StephanieBengal]

Yeah I'm not gonna debate or talk on this with keyboard warriors. Not worth the time, life as.

[kojac.ghosper]

Seriously, all this talk of bullying and improper perception of social norms and women and yadda yadda. I don't care what you are. Sack up and get some thicker skin. People will be stupid and ignorant. Get over it. Stereotypes exist because a majority of people fulfill them. If you want them broken for your personal identity, clearly identify yourself so that people can't make assumptions.

[AdmiralCheez]

kojac.ghosper wrote...

Seriously, all this talk of bullying and improper perception of social norms and women and yadda yadda. I don't care what you are. Sack up and get some thicker skin. People will be stupid and ignorant. Get over it. Stereotypes exist because a majority of people fulfill them. If you want them broken for your personal identity, clearly identify yourself so that people can't make assumptions.

Oh, don't start that again.