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[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

Ah yes, "strong females." We have dismissed that claim.

[Lotion Soronarr]

The irony is that most writers, when asked to wrote a strong woman character, write a "STRONG WOMAN, character", insted of "STRONG CHARACTER, woman"

[AdmiralCheez]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The irony is that most writers, when asked to wrote a strong woman character, write a "STRONG WOMAN, character", insted of "STRONG CHARACTER, woman"

In the future, perhaps the character's gender, more often than not, will be more of an afterthought.

I hope I live to see that day, man.  They did it once--Ellen Ripley was originally a man--and it was glorious.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 21 décembre 2011 - 07:11 .

[AlphaDormante]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The irony is that most writers, when asked to wrote a strong woman character, write a "STRONG WOMAN, character", insted of "STRONG CHARACTER, woman"

In the future, perhaps the character's gender, more often than not, will be more of an afterthought.

I hope I live to see that day, man.  They did it once--Ellen Ripley was originally a man--and it was glorious.

A quote from one of Patrick Weeke's livejournal entries, which tackled the way in which FemShep was written:

FemShep is not a woman who happens to be an Alliance military officer. She's an Alliance military officer who happens to be a woman. No matter what changes I suggest in the writing room, I can promise that this will never change. Commander Shepard should always be a strong character, a decorated officer who is dedicated to saving the galaxy.

And as a woman and FemShep player, I've never been anything but impressed with how FemShep is written (let's pretend Jacob's romance doesn't exist for this sentence). Likewise, while I don't like Jack, I understand why she is the way she is and find her to be a well-written person. There are certainly writers at BW who do know how to do it right.

Modifié par AlphaDormante, 21 décembre 2011 - 07:18 .

[AlexXIV]

Kill Bill? Are you kidding me?

I know strong women in ME. Liara, Tali, Miranda, Kasumi, Samara. I could agree that Jack isn't as strong a personality as others since she is unstable, but when ever did Bioware say that she is or isn't? You have an issue with Jack obviously. Well too bad, not all characters are written to suit you alone. Some people liked Jack despite her weaknesses which only made her human. Nothing wrong with that.

[AdmiralCheez]

AlphaDormante wrote...

A quote from one of Patrick Weeke's livejournal entries, which tackled the way in which FemShep was written:

FemShep is not a woman who happens to be an Alliance military officer. She's an Alliance military officer who happens to be a woman. No matter what changes I suggest in the writing room, I can promise that this will never change. Commander Shepard should always be a strong character, a decorated officer who is dedicated to saving the galaxy.

And as a woman and FemShep player, I've never been anything but impressed with how FemShep is written (let's pretend Jacob's romance doesn't exist for this sentence). Likewise, while I don't like Jack, I understand why she is the way she is and find her to be a well-written person. There are certainly writers at BW who do know how to do it right.

Agreed completely.  That's why FemShep is my favorite female videogame character.

[AlexXIV]

FallTooDovahkiin wrote...

HappyHappyJoyJoy wrote...

Ah yes, "strong females." We have dismissed that claim.

I don't need this..
wheres a disconnect button when you need it?

Somewhere on your computer/console I guess. Or you can just plug out the cable.

[kojac.ghosper]

...I'm sorry I started it back up. But seeing people whine about gender or race inequality irritates the ****** out of me.

Everyone deals with other people assuming things. I don't assign favoritism to a particular group that has 'had to overcome' because everyone, or nearly everyone has had to overcome stereotypes.

[AdmiralCheez]

kojac.ghosper wrote...

...I'm sorry I started it back up. But seeing people whine about gender or race inequality irritates the ****** out of me.

Everyone deals with other people assuming things. I don't assign favoritism to a particular group that has 'had to overcome' because everyone, or nearly everyone has had to overcome stereotypes.

Problem is, the fight's not over.  But it's best to leave it be for now.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 21 décembre 2011 - 07:33 .

[chatters1994]

kojac.ghosper wrote...

...I'm sorry I started it back up. But seeing people whine about gender or race inequality irritates the ****** out of me.

Everyone deals with other people assuming things. I don't assign favoritism to a particular group that has 'had to overcome' because everyone, or nearly everyone has had to overcome stereotypes.

If this was addressed to me you've misunderstood me spectacularly.

oops I meant to quote kojac.ghosper.

Modifié par chatters1994, 21 décembre 2011 - 07:34 .

[AlphaDormante]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

AlphaDormante wrote...

A quote from one of Patrick Weeke's livejournal entries, which tackled the way in which FemShep was written:

FemShep is not a woman who happens to be an Alliance military officer. She's an Alliance military officer who happens to be a woman. No matter what changes I suggest in the writing room, I can promise that this will never change. Commander Shepard should always be a strong character, a decorated officer who is dedicated to saving the galaxy.

And as a woman and FemShep player, I've never been anything but impressed with how FemShep is written (let's pretend Jacob's romance doesn't exist for this sentence). Likewise, while I don't like Jack, I understand why she is the way she is and find her to be a well-written person. There are certainly writers at BW who do know how to do it right.

Agreed completely.  That's why FemShep is my favorite female videogame character.

I think she's the favorite of a lot of female gamers, myself included. Hopefully writers taking note of this in the future won't see "THEY WROTE A MAN" when looking at FemShep rather than "THEY WROTE A PERSON". That could go a few dozen shades of horrible

Luckily, Mr. Weekes is a pretty cool guy. Supportive of equal gender representation and doesn't afraid of anything. The post I quoted is here, if any parties are interested. Fair bit of warning, though, LJ got an update today and is now fugly.

*GDIT why do I always spell Weekes' name wrong. I AM SORRY SIR YOU ARE UNDESERVING OF MY FAIL.

Modifié par AlphaDormante, 21 décembre 2011 - 07:46 .

[kojac.ghosper]

The fight isn't worth fighting. It's best to leave it alone for good.

[AdmiralCheez]

kojac.ghosper wrote...

The fight isn't worth fighting. It's best to leave it alone for good.

How preciously ignorant you are.  It's cute.

[AdmiralCheez]

AlphaDormante wrote...

I think she's the favorite of a lot of female gamers, myself included. Hopefully writers taking note of this in the future won't see "THEY WROTE A MAN" when looking at FemShep rather than "THEY WROTE A PERSON". That could go a few dozen shades of horrible

Luckily, Mr. Weeke is a pretty cool guy. Supportive of equal gender representation and doesn't afraid of anything. The post I quoted is here, if any parties are interested. Fair bit of warning, though, LJ got an update today and is now fugly.

Ah, Weekes.  I love Weeks.

And yeah, more gender-blind writing, plzkthnx.

[kojac.ghosper]

Would you rather spend your time as an activist for people who may very well be as ignorant as the ones you've allowed to offend you, or would you rather focus on your own personal identity and say 'to hell with what people assume, if they want to see who I am, they need only look.'

[AdmiralCheez]

kojac.ghosper wrote...

Would you rather spend your time as an activist for people who may very well be as ignorant as the ones you've allowed to offend you, or would you rather focus on your own personal identity and say 'to hell with what people assume, if they want to see who I am, they need only look.'

When people's perceptions permeate society too deeply, they get in my damn way.  And I'm not the only one with that problem.  Plus, ignorance leads to conflict, and apathy allows conflict to persist.

Hence, personal crusades.

[AlphaDormante]

Actually, here's a fun experiment for us kiddies.

Pick a ME character and reverse their gender. What do you think of the quality of their writing now? Are they stronger or weaker? Did your opinion change at all?

[kojac.ghosper]

Personal crusades are, in general, a waste of perfectly good time.

[AdmiralCheez]

kojac.ghosper wrote...

Personal crusades are, in general, a waste of perfectly good time.

Nah.  I owe my power to vote thanks to some uppity women a hundred years ago.

[AdmiralCheez]

AlphaDormante wrote...

Actually, here's a fun experiment for us kiddies.

Pick a ME character and reverse their gender. What do you think of the quality of their writing now? Are they stronger or weaker? Did your opinion change at all?

Ooooh, I LOVE genderbends!

I'd say the writing quality gets even better.