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[embrace eternity]

In a mono-gendered society we don't have these problems to generate this huge discussion.

I personally enjoyed this information for what it teaches me about how games are put together and function. I have too many different play-through combinations I want to try out before I go mucking about in my games files, besides Mass Effect 2 is due in Jan 010 that doesn't leave much time to slay a few more archdemons.

[ijmorris]

Question: I'm unfamiliar with the term "Hardened" with regard to character interacion - please xplain.,,

[Maria Caliban]

For Alistiar and Leliana, you can 'harden' them during their personal quests. Leliana with Marjoliane. Various conversation options will allow you to convince her that she doesn't fit in the Chantry, and enjoyed being an assassin/bard.

[heisenberg6626]

What (if any) dialog changes between the MF Alistair romance and the MM Alistair romance? Genuinely curious if there is some content difference...

[gauntz]

I must say I strongly disagree with those saying that Morrigan (or Allistair)'s character make them straight. Morrigan has lived almost all her life in a forest with only her mother, only rarely coming into contact with people. She often says that beauty and the like is worthless, and mocks normal people for their preconceptions. Sounds like a raging
pansexual to me, and at the very least she doesn't seem to have formed a "straight" sexuality.

I'm not going to argue that the talks with Allistair or his mannerisms make him gay or straight, of the very few gay people I've actually met they were all very normal in terms of gender roles, and the only "feminine" gay males or "butch" lesbians I've seen have been on TV.

I believed everything TallBearNC said, as it made a lot of sense to me, but I guess, considering him not having posted after all this time, he was full of ****. Too bad.
 

[ijmorris]

right i get that you can harden them, but what does the term "harden" mean in ths context? Is it gamerspeak for something, or do you mean "harden" as in turn them away from good? Someone please explain.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

There are one or two conversations in game that tend to flag Alistair as a potential bi character. The main being when he reminices fondly of pillow fights in the Chantry when he was in templar training. For some reason, that just screamed "YMCA" to me. Seeing how all templars appear to be male.



It was almost a prelude to a gay porn scene.

[David Gaider]

MS3825 wrote...

Sheryl Chee can say what she wants. Bioware had a previous issue with one of their moderators saying stuff on forums before about gay characters in their games.
I wouldn't expect a programmer / writer to come on the forums, but if she is a writer I doubt she is the sole writer for all characters... and certainly the characters ALL had changes from their first imagining to the final product. Furthermore the PUBLISHERS stick their noses in development far too often in all medias. Who's to say Alistair didn't START gay but then someone other than the person(s) who wrote most of his stuff decided he wasn't?

While Zevran may have the most obvious "gay dialog", Alistair is the one who pings my gaydar the most from his regular dialogue. Someone mentioned the pillowfight speech etc. for him and I agree.
Breeders often can't fathom their oh-so-straight macho athletes (warrior in this case) that they look up to are in fact gay. They don't hit on anything with a "joystick" instead of an "Xbox". They don't have limp wrists. You'd never know they were gay until they retire and no longer have a fear of people discriminating and ruining their careers and lives when they come out and shock their fans. Maybe Alastair is one of those guys. As a Grey Warden he wouldn't want to be seen as "weak" or different... especially not after being kicked out of the only home he ever knew.
I would say Zevran is the straight one... but he wants to get close to his mark (The main character) and/or not be killed by him. Keep your friends close but your enemies closer.

Gay's have been playing "Guess the Gay" watching movies and TV for decades, and video-games more recently. I'm glad for the inclusion of open same gender flirting / teasing at the very least. I'm also VERY surprised by the support of the idea for gay characters here on the forums.
Maybe humans aren't that bad after all...

Then let me say it.

*I* wrote Alistair.

There is no romance dialogue written for Alistair with a male character. Whatever you are seeing is either the regular friendship dialogue or romance dialogue that is intended for a female player but flagged only "PC = male/female" to distinguish between the two.

It's great that you like Alistair, and if you can mod him to develop a romance with a male PC and it's believeable then that's awesome. But it's a little presumptuous to tell us what our intention was with the character, don't you think?

[LightSabres]

David - If you wrote Alistair please answer me one question:



Where the heck did you get the inspiration for "Have you have Licked a Lampost in Winter"



Strangest line in the whole damn game!

[Cybercat999]

David Gaider wrote...

*I* wrote Alistair.

Aw.
*charges her fireball*

[gotthammer]

LightSabres wrote...

David - If you wrote Alistair please answer me one question:

Where the heck did you get the inspiration for "Have you have Licked a Lampost in Winter"

Strangest line in the whole damn game!

My bet: personal experience.
(I wish we had winter here...not that I'd try licking a lamp post, regardless of weather/season )

Modifié par gotthammer, 14 décembre 2009 - 09:51 .

[David Gaider]

LightSabres wrote...
Where the heck did you get the inspiration for "Have you have Licked a Lampost in Winter"

Well... it's -40C outside right now, so licking lampposts is a hazardous pasttime. Insofar as that conversation goes, it was just a way to have a discussion about sex without actually talking about sex. Alistair was an exercise in Joss Whedon-speak, which has a patter I was trying to break down. I think I got it okay, but Alistair's way of speaking is the result either way.

[Herr Uhl]

gotthammer wrote...

LightSabres wrote...

David - If you wrote Alistair please answer me one question:

Where the heck did you get the inspiration for "Have you have Licked a Lampost in Winter"

Strangest line in the whole damn game!

My bet: personal experience.
(I wish we had winter here...not that I'd try licking a lamp post, regardless of weather/season )

Licking lampposts in winter is grossly overrated, couldn't taste anything for 3 days afterwards.

[Dunhart]

Herr Uhl wrote...
Licking lampposts in winter is grossly overrated, couldn't taste anything for 3 days afterwards.

I've only ever had my lips stuck to a balcony railing.

In regards to the lamp post conversation, I would have wished for an option to say something like "I'm still waiting for the right lamp post to come by."

@David Gaider,

Did you never entertain the thought of making Alistair the bi one and Zevran the straight one? It just boggles my mind the way they are. It's not my place to tell you how to do the job you're doing so well, but it's something of a personal disappointment for me that I have a hard time getting my head around. Alistair > Zevran any day in my book.<3

[taliefer]

self righteous OP, pwned

[tmp7704]

David Gaider wrote...

Insofar as that conversation goes, it was just a way to have a discussion about sex without actually talking about sex.

Does it mean these other bits about seeing minotaurs and eating jellied ham were also intended to be all code-talk, or is it just my corrupted mind trying to match the patterns here...

[heretica]

 I love you David Gaider! <3

In a non-creepy fan way. 

[DarkSpiral]

I always assumed the lampost line was inspired by "A Chistmas Story." Old movie. Some kid does it, on a dare, with predictable results.

[David Gaider]

Dunhart wrote...
Did you never entertain the thought of making Alistair the bi one and Zevran the straight one? It just boggles my mind the way they are. It's not my place to tell you how to do the job you're doing so well, but it's something of a personal disappointment for me that I have a hard time getting my head around. Alistair > Zevran any day in my book.<3

I would have liked to have written a character that was simply gay and not bisexual at all, but that's difficult to argue considering the relative size of the audience such content would be aimed towards. Remember that we're not that far away from a time when it was difficult to get content geared towards female players, never mind gay ones.

At any rate, given the mandate of writing a bisexual character, no -- Zevran was always created as bisexual from his concept. Alistair never was. Alistair was intended to be adorable, and a bit of a Woobie, but never bisexual or gay. This was not to deny male players his particular brand of awesomeness, it's just who he is. I get that you might like him, but liking him does not mean he's gay -- except in the world of wishful thinking, I suppose, where one can draw whatever connections one likes.

DarkSpiral wrote...
I always assumed the lampost line was inspired by "A Chistmas Story." Old movie. Some kid does it, on a dare, with predictable results.

I think I know the movie you're talking about, but here where I live sticking your tongue to anything metal is a cautionary tale that we all learn about. We all know someone who's done it. Heck, *I* did it once on a dare and then ripped part of my tongue off when I panicked. That *really* hurt.

Modifié par David Gaider, 14 décembre 2009 - 10:48 .

[JigPig]

TallBearNC wrote...

JigPig wrote...

TallBearNC wrote...
 I'm on dial up at my grandparents right now.

How conveniant the "I'm on vacation card"
Just as this thread fades into obscurity and everyone forgets about his ramblings, I suppose he'll fraps his non-existant dialogue?
I'm not holding my breath for the videos, lol

****** off moron. I bookmarked my own thread. Do you think I'd actually make a claim then not be able to back it up? 

I'm up in Hot Springs, VA (actually 1/2 way in between Covington and Hot Springs) go look it up on the map you idiot. I'm out in the BOONIES. There's no DSL, no cable modems, no NOTHING here at my grandparents... they are in their 70s and old country folk. Hell I don't even get cell reception. I'll be home tomorrow.... I have the game on my laptop and I've already frapsed the differences, but I can not upload them via a 56K modem AOL dialup. As soon as I am home I will UL them.

13 days and no videos? How awfully awkward.
Hmmmm.
This non-existant dialogue is bringing out the worst in you, it seems.

[EricHVela]

Aha! I knew D. Gaider was a lampost licker!!!



Wait. That sounded different in my head. That came out really, really wrong.

And yet... I'm still clicking Submit...

[Dunhart]

David Gaider wrote...

Dunhart wrote...
Did you never entertain the thought of making Alistair the bi one and Zevran the straight one? It just boggles my mind the way they are. It's not my place to tell you how to do the job you're doing so well, but it's something of a personal disappointment for me that I have a hard time getting my head around. Alistair > Zevran any day in my book.<3

I would have liked to have written a character that was simply gay and not bisexual at all, but that's difficult to argue considering the relative size of the audience such content would be aimed towards. Remember that we're not that far away from a time when it was difficult to get content geared towards female players, never mind gay ones.

At any rate, given the mandate of writing a bisexual character, no -- Zevran was always created as bisexual from his concept. Alistair never was. Alistair was intended to be adorable, and a bit of a Woobie, but never bisexual or gay. This was not to deny male players his particular brand of awesomeness, it's just who he is. I get that you might like him, but liking him does not mean he's gay -- except in the world of wishful thinking, I suppose, where one can draw whatever connections one likes.

Actually, I guess it kinda makes sense. I do always end up falling for the straight guys. <_<

Well played. And thanks for answering. Hopefully, in a future release...

Modifié par Dunhart, 14 décembre 2009 - 11:39 .

[TheChimes]

when i activated the romance with morrigan (on female char.) the bracket part that explains the relationship disappeared, ex. the (Neutral) part disappeared is this normal?

[Leg_lamp]

DarkSpiral wrote...

I always assumed the lampost line was inspired by "A Chistmas Story." Old movie. Some kid does it, on a dare, with predictable results.

[Cybercat999]

David Gaider wrote...
Alistair was intended to be adorable.....

After 9 playthroughs he is not, trust me. He is like that sick puppy your kids dragged in the house and left for you to take care of and however his pissing all around irritates you, you just dont have a heart to throw him out. Or something.