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Of all the reason to hate on Ashley, WHY her poetry?


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Yeah Ash's comment about aliens made me facepalm.

Yes Ash you apparently are the only one with brains on the ship. Anderson, Udina and Shepard apparently didn't even think about that before you opened your mouth. Obviously.

And there's no way Anderson isn't aware that Garrus and Wrex are on the ship seeing as Shep can be running around with them by his side.

I would've liked a "Well no Ash. Clearly I didn't even think of the risks before you brought it up! Clearly I just invited them along without even thinking about it!" Ah sarcasm.


Would you let a U.S. soldier invite and give a guided tour aboard a nuke carrier to an Iraqi soldier?


I wouldn't for a second.

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Even when the US president ordered it.

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Being the US president does not make someone infallible.

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Nope he isn't. Analogy still sucks.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 décembre 2011 - 06:43 .


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Even when the US president ordered it.


Common sense says no......and so do I.

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Doesn't matter, being a soldier means you're beholden to orders, and when a commanding officer tells you to do something, you do it. A gunnery chief can't make decisions on the fly about who is and isn't cleared for what if their Captain orders them to do it. Sure they can voice their concerns, but orders come from high on up all the way down, not the other way around.

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android654 wrote...

Doesn't matter, being a soldier means you're beholden to orders, and when a commanding officer tells you to do something, you do it. A gunnery chief can't make decisions on the fly about who is and isn't cleared for what if their Captain orders them to do it. Sure they can voice their concerns, but orders come from high on up all the way down, not the other way around.

Indeed - and works for me.

Besides that: neither Krogans nor Asari or Quarians were ever enemies of the Alliance - and the Turians helped to construct the Normandy. I simply can't see any real risks here. Most of the other races are technological far more advanced than the Alliance ...

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android654 wrote...

Doesn't matter, being a soldier means you're beholden to orders, and when a commanding officer tells you to do something, you do it. A gunnery chief can't make decisions on the fly about who is and isn't cleared for what if their Captain orders them to do it. Sure they can voice their concerns, but orders come from high on up all the way down, not the other way around.


And thats why i wont join the military. I question things too much and im too smart to have someone barking orders at me and expecting me to do anything he tells me to. Plus there is the real reality of the war.

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D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

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Doesn't matter, being a soldier means you're beholden to orders, and when a commanding officer tells you to do something, you do it. A gunnery chief can't make decisions on the fly about who is and isn't cleared for what if their Captain orders them to do it. Sure they can voice their concerns, but orders come from high on up all the way down, not the other way around.


And thats why i wont join the military. I question things too much and im too smart to have someone barking orders at me and expecting me to do anything he tells me to. Plus there is the real reality of the war.

Is that you, Garrus?:whistle:

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Garrus and my Shep will brofist and go merc hunting into the night after ME3.

Screw the military. My Shep better get an honorable discharge after saving the damn galaxy.

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CptData wrote...

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Doesn't matter, being a soldier means you're beholden to orders, and when a commanding officer tells you to do something, you do it. A gunnery chief can't make decisions on the fly about who is and isn't cleared for what if their Captain orders them to do it. Sure they can voice their concerns, but orders come from high on up all the way down, not the other way around.

Indeed - and works for me.

Besides that: neither Krogans nor Asari or Quarians were ever enemies of the Alliance - and the Turians helped to construct the Normandy. I simply can't see any real risks here. Most of the other races are technological far more advanced than the Alliance ...


Also intelligence agencies are responsible for military secrets not leaking out, not the military itself. For example, here in the U.S. we have the D.I.A. (Defense Intelligence Agency) they're responsible for our military secrets not getting into the hands of other countries. Also blatant denial of other countries/peoples without a legitimate concern is usually a oneway ticket to making an unnescessary enemy.

As far as we know the only real enemies humans had were the Turians during the first contact war. But even past enemies have to work together inorder to make progress.

If we didn't, there would be little to no trade or contact between the U.S. Britian, Germany, Italy, China, Japan, Russia and all the former Soviet Satelites, etc. Your enemy yesterday can prove to be a benefactor or even a friend tomorrow,

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Ryzaki wrote...

Garrus and my Shep will brofist and go merc hunting into the night after ME3.

Screw the military. My Shep better get an honorable discharge after saving the damn galaxy.


At the very least, a damn lunch break.

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D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

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Doesn't matter, being a soldier means you're beholden to orders, and when a commanding officer tells you to do something, you do it. A gunnery chief can't make decisions on the fly about who is and isn't cleared for what if their Captain orders them to do it. Sure they can voice their concerns, but orders come from high on up all the way down, not the other way around.


And thats why i wont join the military. I question things too much and im too smart to have someone barking orders at me and expecting me to do anything he tells me to. Plus there is the real reality of the war.


That doesn't sound smart, it sounds pretentious. Being intelligent doesn't mean that you can never be in a position where you don't hold all of the pieces all of the time. If you're intelligent you'd look at the intricacies of government and the geo-political field and understand that in order to get what you need, you have to give some people what they want. Being intelligent doesn't mean you can't follow orders, especially if you understand the importance behind them and how morally grey the spectrum of decision making can actually be.

So don't acredit your distrust of military service to your "smarts," its stemming from somewhere else.

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Oh quick question?

Is it impossible to get Wrex to die if you only recruited him on the Citadel and haven't recruited Liara yet?

Shep *does* need 2 squaddies at all times and Ash/Kaidan vanish on virmire for squad selection at certain parts.I'm pretty sure Wrex can't die in that scenario but it's not a 100%.

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You still have Garrus and Tali, so I assume so. But I also think its obligatory to have Liara before Virmire, I think.

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You still have Garrus and Tali, so I assume so. But I also think its obligatory to have Liara before Virmire, I think.


No I recruit Liara last most of the time. You get Virimire after you go to 2 places out of the three.

I usually go Feros-Noveria-Virmire-Liara

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 décembre 2011 - 07:34 .


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Ryzaki wrote...

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You still have Garrus and Tali, so I assume so. But I also think its obligatory to have Liara before Virmire, I think.


No I recruit Liara last most of the time. You get Virimire after you go to 2 places out of the three.

I usually go Feros-Noveria-Virmire-Liara



Well, I assume with garrus and tali in tow, it should be permissible. If not, I'm sure you can gibbed it.

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android654 wrote...

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You still have Garrus and Tali, so I assume so. But I also think its obligatory to have Liara before Virmire, I think.


No I recruit Liara last most of the time. You get Virimire after you go to 2 places out of the three.

I usually go Feros-Noveria-Virmire-Liara



Well, I assume with garrus and tali in tow, it should be permissible. If not, I'm sure you can gibbed it.


Garrus isn't a forced recruit.

I'm talking about.

Wrex - Tali - Ash and Kaidan being the only ones Shep can choose for his squad.

Ash/Kaidan get taken by Virmire (not taken taken but...Shep can't use them at points) and Shep *has* to have 2 people to leave the squad selection screen.

In theory Wrex can't die because Shep wouldn't be able to leave the squad selection screen...but I haven't played a game like this to find out. D: 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 décembre 2011 - 07:41 .


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Oh quick question?

Is it impossible to get Wrex to die if you only recruited him on the Citadel and haven't recruited Liara yet?

Shep *does* need 2 squaddies at all times and Ash/Kaidan vanish on virmire for squad selection at certain parts.I'm pretty sure Wrex can't die in that scenario but it's not a 100%.

I never thought about that before. At one point all you'd have is Tali. I wonder if you can break the game like that?

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Ryzaki wrote...

android654 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

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You still have Garrus and Tali, so I assume so. But I also think its obligatory to have Liara before Virmire, I think.


No I recruit Liara last most of the time. You get Virimire after you go to 2 places out of the three.

I usually go Feros-Noveria-Virmire-Liara



Well, I assume with garrus and tali in tow, it should be permissible. If not, I'm sure you can gibbed it.


Garrus isn't a forced recruit.

I'm talking about.

Wrex - Tali - Ash and Kaidan being the only ones Shep can choose for his squad.

Ash/Kaidan get taken by Virmire (not taken taken but...Shep can't use them at points) and Shep *has* to have 2 people to leave the squad selection screen.

In theory Wrex can't die because Shep wouldn't be able to leave the squad selection screen...but I haven't played a game like this to find out. D: 

I saw that situation somewhere in Youtube. When you confront Wrex he is automatically persuaded and thus saved.

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aah okay then. Thank you.


Is it the paragon persuade or the renegade one? Or an entirely different persuade?

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A different one, you get the same persuade than when you recover Wrex's armor.

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android654 wrote...

Doesn't matter, being a soldier means you're beholden to orders, and when a commanding officer tells you to do something, you do it. A gunnery chief can't make decisions on the fly about who is and isn't cleared for what if their Captain orders them to do it. Sure they can voice their concerns, but orders come from high on up all the way down, not the other way around.


And thats why i wont join the military. I question things too much and im too smart to have someone barking orders at me and expecting me to do anything he tells me to.


I don't want to have to compromise my values or beliefs because someone outranking me thinks its necessary. I do my own thing and thats how I like it.

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D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

And thats why i wont join the military. I question things too much and im too smart to have someone barking orders at me and expecting me to do anything he tells me to. Plus there is the real reality of the war.


I agree... being a paid killer, trained psychopath and with no brain it's not on my list.

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Btw I have absolutely nothing against the military. I support them to the fullest.