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[PrinceLionheart]

Stardusk78 wrote...

NegativelyChrgd wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Of course people have personal reasons from their own lives that make them not like her. In my case I am an American expat who has lived all over the world and I hate the kind of militaristic, short-sighted tribalism that Ashley displays, which is why she is just a Grunt to me. Kaidain is much more open minded.

- This

Really interesting how many people unquestionably love Ash so much. Those who come in with the "paragraphs" of wisdom and insight are more interested in cutting down dissenting opinion on this wonderful wonderful character.

On my first playthrough I didn't like Ashley at all, first impressions on her vs. Kaiden were not very positive for reasons already covered by the few people with the "audacity" to speak of their distaste with her. To be honest the poetry made me laugh, I side with the guy who said it best...Corney ...

I don't know which of the VS is more of a sacred cow, I guess it would depend on whether it's a real life man or woman. Women all seem to dig Kaidan, SOME guys dig Ashley so I think Kaidan is much more of a sacred cow than Ashley is, just because there are more fan girls than fan boys, even the lesbians of the community seem to prefer Liara to Ashley, so there you have it. BUT it's weird because the few Ashley supporters seem to be in love with her, almost obsessive. Crazy.

So because people dissagree with you, you're generalizing. Super.

[Drone223]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Poetry is stupid.

You must also hate music, you do know song's are poem's right

OP people can wirte poem's to often express themselve's or how they see things so I understand why Ashley like's poetr

Modifié par Drone223, 24 décembre 2011 - 11:13 .

[Viking Stoner]

I'm just really not interested in Ashley. I think all the other squad girls (including Samara) have stronger pressence than her. Maybe i need to play ME1 again. All i know is i thought her & Kaidan were rather boring and i rarely used them in combat. I killed Kaidan though, only because i saw Ashley having shotgun as a + and she was the more tolerable one of the two....lesser of two evils i guess.

After the incident that happened on ME2 just made her take even more steps back for me. "You Turned your back on blah blah i can't trust your judgement", ok w/e i never liked you anyway xD Her blind faith is annoying. Even Miranda being so blinded by Cerberus saw the light in the end mission and resigned....Miranda FTW. I also dislike Ashley's hypocrisy. She calls Cerberus extremist, but if i remember correctly it was HER who suggested i kill the rachni queen (i didn't though).

Modifié par Viking Stoner, 24 décembre 2011 - 11:48 .

[alex90c]

too bad miranda isnt going to be a full squaddie then

herpderp

[AgitatedLemon]

After the incident that happened on ME2 just made her take even more steps back for me. "You Turned your back on blah blah i can't trust your judgement", ok w/e i never liked you anyway xD Her blind faith is annoying. Even Miranda being so blinded by Cerberus saw the light in the end mission and resigned....Miranda FTW.

This is probably the biggest reason I like Miranda more than Ashley. Miranda (as a character) evolves over the length of the game, and at the end, she finally severs ties with Cerberus.

Ash just sort of accuses you for working with terrorists (Despite being DEAD), and is never heard from again (Unless romanced). Even then, why can't she trust your judgement? Did she all of a sudden forget what happened in ME1? Her saying that it could be Cerberus abducting the colonists with the Collectors (As counter-productive as that may be) just made me think she might be retarded.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 25 décembre 2011 - 01:21 .

[AgitatedLemon]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

After the incident that happened on ME2 just made her take even more steps back for me. "You Turned your back on blah blah i can't trust your judgement", ok w/e i never liked you anyway xD Her blind faith is annoying. Even Miranda being so blinded by Cerberus saw the light in the end mission and resigned....Miranda FTW.

This is probably the biggest reason I like Miranda more than Ashley. Miranda (as a character) evolves over the length of the game, and at the end, she finally severs ties with Cerberus.

Ash just sort of accuses you for working with terrorists (Despite being DEAD), and is never heard from again (Unless romanced). Even then, why can't she trust your judgement? Did she all of a sudden forget what happened in ME1? Her saying that it could be Cerberus abducting the colonists with the Collectors (As counter-productive as that may be) just made me think she might be retarded.

Why cant anybody just accept that was bad writing? Why doesnt anybody ever acknowledge the fact that Kaidan says the exact same thing..?

I can chalk it up to bad writing, but it certainly doesn't help her image. It makes both of them come out as dumb, I just think it works more so on Ash 

[AgitatedLemon]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Her saying that it could be Cerberus abducting the colonists with the Collectors (As counter-productive as that may be) just made me think she might be retarded.

Okay, I'm not much of an Ashley fan, but calling her retarded? Seriously?

Fine.

She's "Challenged".

[AgitatedLemon]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I can chalk it up to bad writing, but it certainly doesn't help her image. It makes both of them come out as dumb, I just think it works more so on Ash 

How can the exaxct same thing said by two different characters say more about one than the other? That makes no sense.

I meant that in the sense that it was more amusing (to me) to hear Ash say it than Kaidan.

I never really had a high impression of Ash, and her saying it didn't help out.

[ADLegend21]

Stardusk78 wrote...

I don't like her much, I am the first to admit it but mostly because she is very unfeminine, brutish and butch to me but why do so many people hate the poetic aspect of her, which is one of her few redeeming qualities in my eyes?

sounds like she has a bigger e-penis than your Male Sheps. Man up bro.

[1136342t54_]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

I can chalk it up to bad writing, but it certainly doesn't help her image. It makes both of them come out as dumb, I just think it works more so on Ash 

How can the exaxct same thing said by two different characters say more about one than the other? That makes no sense.

Because people want more reasons to hate Ashley other than the same old "ZOMG ASH IS RACIST!!!"

[Dariustwinblade]

Why must it be bad writing why can't it be an accurate representation of their character. And that Ashley and Kaidan are that stupid, emotional, trecherous and that they are crappy characters. And that their faults lies solely on the character not the writer. They are bad character who acted badly because the writer wills it so. Not because the writers are bad but because the character is bad. And is suppose to be hated.

*troll face*

[Drone223]

Well Shepard's reply's were to the VS were terrible

VS: I thought you were dead
Shepard: How you doing

The VS morned Shepard's death and Shepard's first words to the VS are "How you doing" , I miss you too would have been a better reply

[AgitatedLemon]

Drone223 wrote...

Well Shepard's reply's were to the VS were terrible

VS: I thought you were dead
Shepard: How you doing

The VS morned Shepard's death and Shepard's first words to the VS are "How you doing" , I miss you too would have been a better reply

I always picked the "I was" response.

She still gets unnecessarily angry at me.

VS: I thought you were dead.
Shepard: I was.
VS: Y U NO CALLED BACK?!

VS: Y U WRKING 4 CRBE-, CREBE-,  DEM TERRORIST?
Shepard: I don't work for them. They're assisting in my mission and providing funds, but that's it.
VS: BUT DEY COOD BE BHIND TEH ATAKS! I M33N, A PRO HOOMAN GROOP ATAKING HOOMAN COLONEES. I KNOW WUT IM TALKING ABT!

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 25 décembre 2011 - 02:38 .

[Yezdigerd]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Why must it be bad writing why can't it be an accurate representation of their character. And that Ashley and Kaidan are that stupid, emotional, trecherous and that they are crappy characters. And that their faults lies solely on the character not the writer. They are bad character who acted badly because the writer wills it so. Not because the writers are bad but because the character is bad. And is suppose to be hated.

*troll face*

Well mostly it's the combination of unrelenting hostility and cartoon level stupidity. Even if the VS reached the conclusion that Shepard who just saved the colony and their life is the devil himself. They should still as "loyal alliance soldiers" take the obvious opportunity to find out more about Shepard, Cerberus, and how they managed to thwart the collectors.

It just screams we try to explain why the VS doesn't come along but we can't create a believable scenario. I just can't take it seriously.

[AgitatedLemon]

Yezdigerd wrote...

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Why must it be bad writing why can't it be an accurate representation of their character. And that Ashley and Kaidan are that stupid, emotional, trecherous and that they are crappy characters. And that their faults lies solely on the character not the writer. They are bad character who acted badly because the writer wills it so. Not because the writers are bad but because the character is bad. And is suppose to be hated.

*troll face*

Well mostly it's the combination of unrelenting hostility and cartoon level stupidity. Even if the VS reached the conclusion that Shepard who just saved the colony and their life is the devil himself. They should still as "loyal alliance soldiers" take the obvious opportunity to find out more about Shepard, Cerberus, and how they managed to thwart the collectors.

It just screams we try to explain why the VS doesn't come along but we can't create a believable scenario. I just can't take it seriously.

The idiocy of the VS' unnecessary hostility stems from 2 things.

1. You can blatantly tell them "I was dead" (Paraphrased, of course). What happens then? Ashley makes it sound like it was YOUR fault! Ashley/Kaidan must have just realized Shepard was lying when he told them he was Superman and could survive the vacuum of space (And falling into a planets orbit, burning into a crisp)

2. The VS has the nads to say that it could have been Cerberus working with the Collectors (Because a pro-human group would TOTALLY want to kidnap entire colony's worth of humans!). Cerberus must also be in cahoots with the Reapers since they apparantly had access to husks and praetorians as well, going by the VS' logic. It makes sense if you don't think about it.

But it couldn't possibly be a character flaw. It's just BAD WRITING.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 25 décembre 2011 - 12:33 .

[DonutsDealer]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Drone223 wrote...

Well Shepard's reply's were to the VS were terrible

VS: I thought you were dead
Shepard: How you doing

The VS morned Shepard's death and Shepard's first words to the VS are "How you doing" , I miss you too would have been a better reply

I always picked the "I was" response.

She still gets unnecessarily angry at me.

VS: I thought you were dead.
Shepard: I was.
VS: Y U NO CALLED BACK?!

And you forgot the:
Shepard: I was in coma while I was being rebuilt
VS: You are with Cerberus now?
Shepard: NO, we want the same thing, to save the colonies, but I DON'T answer to them.
VS: What if they are working for the collectors?
Shepard: *facepalm*<_<

[Skullheart]

Just blame bioware writers for horizon. They wanted to make us hate the VS so we can save a certain character instead of them in ME3.

[AgitatedLemon]

DonutsDealer wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Drone223 wrote...

Well Shepard's reply's were to the VS were terrible

VS: I thought you were dead
Shepard: How you doing

The VS morned Shepard's death and Shepard's first words to the VS are "How you doing" , I miss you too would have been a better reply

I always picked the "I was" response.

She still gets unnecessarily angry at me.

VS: I thought you were dead.
Shepard: I was.
VS: Y U NO CALLED BACK?!

And you forgot the:
Shepard: I was in coma while I was being rebuilt
VS: You are with Cerberus now?
Shepard: NO, we want the same thing, to save the colonies, but I DON'T answer to them.
VS: What if they are working for the collectors?
Shepard: *facepalm*<_<

I edited my earlier post.

I think it's better now.

[AgitatedLemon]

Skullheart wrote...

Just blame bioware writers for horizon. They wanted to make us hate the VS so we can save a certain character instead of them in ME3.

And it's absolutely ridiculous. They could have at least put forth a bit of effort to making the VS sound less retarded.

Maybe even sympathetic.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 25 décembre 2011 - 03:07 .

[knightnblu]

Are you serious? Have you ever actually read any of her poetry? Take this poem wrote to a superior officer when she was at Arcturus Station awaiting deployment to Eden Prime:
 
Roses are red
Violets are blue
Touch my ass again
I kill you
 
File a sexual harassment claim? Nope, just bad poetry combined with attitude. And don't even get me started on her infamous "Sonnet of Death." Fourteen lines of the most ridiculous poetry you ever read and the rhymes she uses, oh...my...God. I mean, who rhymes "bullet" with "cruet" in an A,B,A,B rhyming scheme? I'd rather have major dental surgery than have to read that again. In fact, it was rumored that prisoners aboard the Purgatory prison ship were forced to read it as punishment and that's what made them riot resulting in the horrific loss of life.
 
Then there's those wretched Haiku of hers. Poetry designed to open a Haiga with a syllabic rhythm of 5-7-5 and focused on a precise moment with nature as its subject and Williams totally butchers it. I have seen people of Japanese descent weep after reading just one. Not because they were moved by a sense of satori mind you, but because they were that bad. Kiko in particular said that it made her ashamed to be Japanese because her people enabled such a thing to exist and called her works crimes against humanity. I have even heard rumors that Kasumi Goto was contacted to collect as much of it as she could find in order to destroy it so that the Japanese reputation could be redeemed.
 
And you OP, ask why people hate her poetry? You clearly have never read it.


When Williams says that other people write what she feels better than she can/does, believe her.