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[ObserverStatus]

C9316 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

C9316 wrote...

And people support this?

Yes.

I'm sorry, but there are just some things you don't do. Trying to enslave Rachni and Creepers seems like a given but I guess not. Same thing goes for implanting people with reaper tech...

lol, you make them sound like a 22nd centrury version of the Umbrella Corporation.

[HiddenKING]

Hey let's give that guy that totally hates us, and wants to destroy us advanced technology that we have no idea what it does to people. Nothin bad will happen.

[Seboist]

C9316 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

C9316 wrote...

And people support this?

Yes.

I'm sorry, but there are just some things you don't do. Trying to enslave Rachni and Creepers seems like a given but I guess not. Same thing goes for implanting people with reaper tech...

It's called domestication not "enslavement".

Modifié par Seboist, 21 décembre 2011 - 06:56 .

[Dave of Canada]

C9316 wrote...

Most likely common sense...

Common sense? How? Using shock troopers like Creepers and the like justify the experiments, is it not common sense to use creatures instead of soldiers and possibly save their lives? Learning how to counter enemy weapons?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 21 décembre 2011 - 06:57 .

[ObserverStatus]

Seboist wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

C9316 wrote...
And people support this?

Yes.

I'm sorry, but there are just some things you don't do. Trying to enslave Rachni and Creepers seems like a given but I guess not. Same thing goes for implanting people with reaper tech...

It's called domestication not "enslavement".

No no no, domestication is what you do to animals.  Rachni are inteeligent beings so it's called "remote labor".

[bleetman]

Mesina2 wrote...

Arcian wrote...

the darkside kiddies in TOR who thinks it's supercool to be evil and kill people to the right and left just because it gives them a f***ed up visual appearance and allows them to use red lightsaber crystals.

Those kiddies are doing cause they think it's funny, not because Dark Force and Empire is right.

Sort of entirely irrelevant to this actual topic, but a whole chunk of dark side decisions in ToR have nothing to do with 'killing people left and right'. My Trooper's ending up dark side overall, and she's yet to shoot more than one person in cold blood, and that was because of the total absense of a logical light side option.

Shrug. Anyway. I would've said 'what cerberus needs' would be either actual, efficient oversight, because TIM being the only person keeping an eye on what the organisation as a whole is doing just isn't working, especially if you buy into the notion that he genuinally has no idea when his operations go off the rails.

Alternatively, bullets in the cranium. I'd be fine with either.

[C9316]

Seboist wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

C9316 wrote...

And people support this?

Yes.

I'm sorry, but there are just some things you don't do. Trying to enslave Rachni and Creepers seems like a given but I guess not. Same thing goes for implanting people with reaper tech...

It's called domestication not "enslavement".

[Seboist]

bobobo878 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

C9316 wrote...
And people support this?

Yes.

I'm sorry, but there are just some things you don't do. Trying to enslave Rachni and Creepers seems like a given but I guess not. Same thing goes for implanting people with reaper tech...

It's called domestication not "enslavement".

No no no, domestication is what you do to animals.  Rachni are inteeligent beings so it's called "remote labor".

Yes, I'm sure all those Rachni workers, soldiers and brood warriors have a say in what their Queen has them do.

[Dave of Canada]

That's the problem with the Rachni experiment, though. The men and women behind the experiments, along with a lot of the people in the galaxy, were under the assumption that the Rachni were similar to war dogs and could be trained to be used as shock troopers. Which isn't off the mark assuming the drones mindlessly follow the queens.

It's also the reason why the experiment was abandoned.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 21 décembre 2011 - 07:06 .

[AlexXIV]

Seboist wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

C9316 wrote...
And people support this?

Yes.

I'm sorry, but there are just some things you don't do. Trying to enslave Rachni and Creepers seems like a given but I guess not. Same thing goes for implanting people with reaper tech...

It's called domestication not "enslavement".

No no no, domestication is what you do to animals.  Rachni are inteeligent beings so it's called "remote labor".

Yes, I'm sure all those Rachni workers, soldiers and brood warriors have a say in what their Queen has them do.

As you have a say in what your government is doing.

[Luke Nukem Forever]

CEBERUS SUCKS

[AlexXIV]

Luke Nukem Forever wrote...

CEBERUS SUCKS

... LIZARD EGGS!!!!

[KenKenpachi]

AlexXIV wrote...

Seboist wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

C9316 wrote...
And people support this?

Yes.

I'm sorry, but there are just some things you don't do. Trying to enslave Rachni and Creepers seems like a given but I guess not. Same thing goes for implanting people with reaper tech...

It's called domestication not "enslavement".

No no no, domestication is what you do to animals.  Rachni are inteeligent beings so it's called "remote labor".

Yes, I'm sure all those Rachni workers, soldiers and brood warriors have a say in what their Queen has them do.

As you have a say in what your government is doing.

Actully yes. If a government oversteps its bounds, you can bring it down with force. The Rachni have no such option.

[Arcadian Legend]

As far as the Rahni go, they developed their own ships for fast long distance space travel, when we're even yet to do that. Rachni Wars couldn't have happened if the entire race was rooted to their homeworld. They are intelligent. End of.

[Luke Nukem Forever]

Well I'd say if we put Rahni in charge of cerberus then I think it would be a better company

[bleetman]

Dave of Canada wrote...

That's the problem with the Rachni experiment, though. The men and women behind the experiments, along with a lot of the people in the galaxy, were under the assumption that the Rachni were similar to war dogs and could be trained to be used as shock troopers. Which isn't off the mark assuming the drones mindlessly follow the queens.

It's also the reason why the experiment was abandoned.

You'd think that the rachni were capable of crafting and utilising interstellar spaceships would've set off some warnings. Erring on the side of caution until they'd confirmed their assumptions wouldn't have hurt, either. Which seems to be a recurring trend with their projects.

Modifié par bleetman, 21 décembre 2011 - 07:16 .

[Dean_the_Young]

[quote]C9316 wrote...

"LOL, let's recreate rachni slaves"[/quote]When were there ever Rachni slaves in the first place?


"LOL, let's enslave thorian creepers!"[/quote]How do you enslave something that is not sentient?

No, really. Do we enslave horses?


[quote]
"LOL let's see what happens if we lure some soldiers to a Thresher Maw pit!"
[/quote]And you know that's all they were trying to do... how?

[quote]
And people support this? [/quote]Of course not. Fortunately, such strawmen are not present in Mass Effect.

[Seboist]

bleetman wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

That's the problem with the Rachni experiment, though. The men and women behind the experiments, along with a lot of the people in the galaxy, were under the assumption that the Rachni were similar to war dogs and could be trained to be used as shock troopers. Which isn't off the mark assuming the drones mindlessly follow the queens.

It's also the reason why the experiment was abandoned.

You'd think that the rachni were capable of crafting and utilising interstellar spaceships would've set off some warnings. Erring on the side of caution until they'd confirmed their assumptions wouldn't have hurt, either. Which seems to be a recurring trend with their projects.

It's just crap writing on BW's part, like the squad(especially Wrex) not knowing what a Rachni looks like.

[Pallid]

Cerberus needs some Shepard treatment. Blue Suns, Eclipse and Blood Pack already got it, now it's Cerberus time.

Modifié par omskman, 21 décembre 2011 - 07:20 .

[Dave of Canada]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

As far as the Rahni go, they developed their own ships for fast long distance space travel, when we're even yet to do that. Rachni Wars couldn't have happened if the entire race was rooted to their homeworld. They are intelligent. End of.

We know the Queens are intelligent and construct ships.

The experiments were using drones.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 21 décembre 2011 - 07:19 .

[bleetman]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

"LOL let's see what happens if we lure some soldiers to a Thresher Maw pit!"

And you know that's all they were trying to do... how?

Mostly because alternative that Cerberus just, I don't know, accidentally left an Alliance distress beacon right outside a Thresher nest and waited until the response team was attacked so they could snatch up any survives for a few merry years of torturous experimentation doesn't really hold much water. If they were trying to accomplish more than what they did - which I can only assume was nothing - that neither surprises me nor excuses it.

Seboist wrote...

It's just crap writing on BW's part, like the squad(especially Wrex) not knowing what a Rachni looks like.

Oh, man, don't remind me about that. I cringed.

Not really buying into the idea that whenever Cerberus looks like incompetant fools, it's because of 'bad writing' though.

Modifié par bleetman, 21 décembre 2011 - 07:21 .

[Dean_the_Young]

bleetman wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

That's the problem with the Rachni experiment, though. The men and women behind the experiments, along with a lot of the people in the galaxy, were under the assumption that the Rachni were similar to war dogs and could be trained to be used as shock troopers. Which isn't off the mark assuming the drones mindlessly follow the queens.

It's also the reason why the experiment was abandoned.

You'd think that the rachni were capable of crafting and utilising interstellar spaceships would've set off some warnings.

If they're controlled by the Rachni Queen, all that implies is that the Rachni Queen herself is intelligent.

Not all species are like humans, in which every member of the species is equally sentient. You can have distributed collective intelligences (like the Geth, various bugs), but you can also have centralized intelligences (like the Thorian and its thralls, or the Reapers and their husks).

A master-slave relationship of intelligence means that the intelligence would reside in the master... and implies nothing about the autonomy of the slave unit. That's pretty much the relationship humans and our technology has, for example: simply because humans can have airplanes doesn't mean the airplanes fly on their own without the human.

Erring on the side of caution until they'd confirmed their assumptions
wouldn't have hurt, either. Which seems to be a recurring trend with
their projects.

In this case, however, they erred on the side of galactic history and understanding following a major galactic war.

[Luke Nukem Forever]

lmao

[Dean_the_Young]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

You are also clearly a faction in your own right.

Not an individual, mind you. Individuals might not fit a trend. But you at least agree sometimes with other people who are unpleasant, and that makes you equivalent.

What are you talking about?

Oh yeah, this is Dean's "baffle 'em w/ bullschit" routine. Carry on.

Who are you, and why do you think I was talking to you?