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[CptBomBom00]

What Cerberus needs is being able to drop goddies, that's right they need to drop sm big amounts of creds to fund my Shepard wardrobe.

[Someone With Mass]

C9316 wrote...

To be honest I'd like to discuss Cerberus' actions in Acension and Retribution. That would be interesting...

Ascension: Retarded.

Retribution: No excuse.

[Arcadian Legend]

C9316 wrote...

To be honest I'd like to discuss Cerberus' actions in Acension and Retribution. That would be interesting...

My memory is hazy there. Haven't they got something to do with the Quarian flotilla and an Alliance Biotic Acadamy?

[jcolt]

dean the young that would be pretty cool just like the KGB supposedly did that would throw a really interesting wrench into the mix i mean alien cereburus sleeper agents doubt it'll happen but it'd be cool

[MisterJB]

Kahlee and Hendel took a child from her father. Why is no one mentioning that?

[Someone With Mass]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

My memory is hazy there. Haven't they got something to do with the Quarian flotilla and an Alliance Biotic Acadamy?

And injecting Paul Grayson with Reaper nanites for no good reason beyond revenge, which not only gave the Reapers even more intelligence on different facilities in the galaxy, it also gave them an avatar to slaughter many people with.

[Dave of Canada]

C9316 wrote...

To be honest I'd like to discuss Cerberus' actions in Acension and Retribution. That would be interesting...

Ascension: Continuation of the Subject Zero project with less brutal methods, forced to blow up a Quarian vessel after the Quarians tried to stop Cerberus from reclaiming their subject.
Retribution: Studying the effects of Reaper implants on the human body and the effects of indoctrination, subject escapes after turians wipe out the complex.

[LGTX]

MisterJB wrote...

Kahlee and Hendel took a child from her father. Why is no one mentioning that?

They took an autistic child away from a stepfather who was working for Cerberus, who were drugging given child. If I recall correctly.

[MisterJB]

Someone With Mass wrote...

And injecting Paul Grayson with Reaper nanites for no good reason beyond revenge,

Revenge was certainly the reason why TIM chose him but it also served to gain intel on the enemy of all life in the galaxy, the Reapers.

which not only gave the Reapers even more intelligence on different facilities in the galaxy, it also gave them an avatar to slaughter many people with.

Anderson, Kahlee and the turian's fault. Cerberus would have killed Grayson before he became too dangerous.

[Someone With Mass]

MisterJB wrote...

Kahlee and Hendel took a child from her father. Why is no one mentioning that?

Because her "father" was working with Cerberus and with another agent on the station (that guy was so subtle, by the way) to inject her with experimental drugs that could have been the source of her social isolation.

Just because he was her parent doesn't mean that he knows what's good for her.

[Someone With Mass]

MisterJB wrote...
Anderson, Kahlee and the turian's fault. Cerberus would have killed Grayson before he became too dangerous.

Was that why they gave him red sand to deliberately make his biotic powers even stronger, while having almost no control of the growth of the Reaper nanites' control?

Smooth.

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...


Was that why they gave him red sand to deliberately make his biotic powers even stronger, while having almost no control of the growth of the Reaper nanites' control?

Smooth.

They gave him red sand so he'd stop resisting the indoctrination effects and they'd get faster results, it had nothing to do with increasing biotic potential (which was developed by the mutations).

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 21 décembre 2011 - 07:56 .

[CptBomBom00]

****, Cerberus is messed up, Damn.

[MisterJB]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Because her "father" was working with Cerberus and with another agent on the station (that guy was so subtle, by the way) to inject her with experimental drugs that could have been the source of her social isolation.

Grayson was legally her father. Why is kidnapping only bad when Cerberus does it?
The drugs only had an adverse effect once, claiming anything else is speculation. Besides, you people tend to only see the bad side of things, the drugs could have been the reason Gillian's biotics were so incredibly strong. In the future, think of what she could achieve for the human race.

Just because he was her parent doesn't mean that he knows what's good for her.

And just because he works for Cerberus doesn't mean he wants what's bad for her. We have insight into Grayson's mind, we know that he loved Gillian like his own daugther.
Kahlee and Hendel grabbed an autistic child and threw her into a completely alien environment. It could have backfired horribly.

Modifié par MisterJB, 21 décembre 2011 - 08:05 .

[C9316]

Dave of Canada wrote...

C9316 wrote...

To be honest I'd like to discuss Cerberus' actions in Acension and Retribution. That would be interesting...

Ascension: Continuation of the Subject Zero project with less brutal methods, forced to blow up a Quarian vessel after the Quarians tried to stop Cerberus from reclaiming their subject.
Retribution: Studying the effects of Reaper implants on the human body and the effects of indoctrination, subject escapes after turians wipe out the complex.

Why don't you pretty it up some more why don't you?

[Dean_the_Young]

Someone With Mass wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
Anderson, Kahlee and the turian's fault. Cerberus would have killed Grayson before he became too dangerous.

Was that why they gave him red sand to deliberately make his biotic powers even stronger, while having almost no control of the growth of the Reaper nanites' control?

Nope.

[Someone With Mass]

MisterJB wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Because her "father" was working with Cerberus and with another agent on the station (that guy was so subtle, by the way) to inject her with experimental drugs that could have been the source of her social isolation.

Grayson was legally her father. Why is kidnapping only bad when Cerberus does it?
The drugs only had an adverse effect once, claiming anything else is speculation. Besides, you people tend to only see the bad side of things, the drugs could have been the reason Gillian's biotics were so inccredibly strong. In the future, think of what she could achieve for the human race.

 

You know, I think that future lies more in the development of stopping biotics, not producing more of them. The Phantom is a good example of this. She has a little palm device that allows her to absorb biotic attacks. Not to mention the tech attacks that disables the amplifiers, making the biotics so weak that they can't even flip over a paper cup.

Trying to put out a fire by creating another fire in the hopes that their fire will suck up all the oxygen is not exactly a good idea.

MisterJB wrote... 
And just because he works for Cerberus doesn't mean he wants what's bad for her. We have insight into Grayson's mind, we know that he loved Gillian like his own daugther.
Kahlee and Hendel grabbed an autistic child and threw her into a completely alien environment. It could have backfired horribly.

He was also questioning his motives and had doubts about what he was doing all the time. 

While it's true that Kahlee and Hendel could have made it worse, they saw Grayson unfit of handling a child with special abilities like Gillian and they didn't want Cerberus to get their hands on her again, because they could make her situation even worse to the point of no recovery.

Denying extremists like Cerberus potential weapons is also kind of a good thing.

[Dean_the_Young]

C9316 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

C9316 wrote...

To be honest I'd like to discuss Cerberus' actions in Acension and Retribution. That would be interesting...

Ascension: Continuation of the Subject Zero project with less brutal methods, forced to blow up a Quarian vessel after the Quarians tried to stop Cerberus from reclaiming their subject.
Retribution: Studying the effects of Reaper implants on the human body and the effects of indoctrination, subject escapes after turians wipe out the complex.

Why don't you pretty it up some more why don't you?

Ascension: Continuation of the Subject Zero project with less brutal methods, forced to blow up a Quarian vessel after the Quarians tried to stop Cerberus from reclaiming their subject.

Retribution: Studying the effects of Reaper implants on the human body and the effects of indoctrination, subject escapes after turians wipe out the complex.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 21 décembre 2011 - 08:18 .

[Someone With Mass]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ascension: Continuation of the Subject Zero project with less brutal methods, forced to blow up a Quarian vessel after the Quarians tried to stop Cerberus from reclaiming their subject.
Retribution: Studying the effects of Reaper implants on the human body and the effects of indoctrination, subject escapes after turians wipe out the complex.

Last time I checked, they weren't forced to blow up that vessel at all. It was a random act of violence.

They had all retreated when the bomb was triggered and they were on the offensive against the quarians before that.

Had Cerberus actually had some sort of backup plan, like not letting only the obvious rookie keep check on the subject and her father, they could have avoided that mess completely.

Contingency plans. They need them. And not just for something like Gillian.

[Dave of Canada]

C9316 wrote...

Why don't you pretty it up some more why don't you?

• Ascension: While frolicking in the forest, The Illusive Man decided to continue the Subject Zero project with happier methods. Due to a misunderstanding between friends, Cerberus accidently gave the Quarians a fireworks show while trying to pick up their friend.
• Retribution: After hearing that bad men wanted to come and do bad things, The Illusive Man decided to call up his friend and gave him free upgrades to the Reaper fitness gym. Upon critical mission failure, the turians want to give him a hug but fail as he escapes.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 21 décembre 2011 - 08:24 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Dave of Canada wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Why don't you pretty it up some more why don't you?

• Ascension: While frolicking in the forest, The Illusive Man decided to continue the Subject Zero project with happier methods. Due to a misunderstanding between friends, Cerberus accidently gave the Quarians a fireworks show while trying to pick up their friend.
• Retribution: After hearing that bad men wanted to come and do bad things, The Illusive Man decided to call up his friend and gave him free upgrades to the Reaper fitness gym. Upon critical mission failure, the turians want to give him a hug but fail as he escapes.

[C9316]

Dave of Canada wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Why don't you pretty it up some more why don't you?

• Ascension: While frolicking in the forest, The Illusive Man decided to continue the Subject Zero project with happier methods. Due to a misunderstanding between friends, Cerberus accidently gave the Quarians a fireworks show while trying to pick up their friend.
  
• Retribution: After hearing that bad men wanted to come and do bad things, The Illusive Man decided to call up his friend and gave him free upgrades to the Reaper fitness gym. Upon critical mission failure, the turians want to give him a hug but fail as he escapes.

How juvenile.

[MisterJB]

Someone With Mass wrote...
You know, I think that future lies more in the development of stopping biotics, not producing more of them. The Phantom is a good example of this. She has a little palm device that allows her to absorb biotic attacks. Not to mention the tech attacks that disables the amplifiers, making the biotics so weak that they can't even flip over a paper cup.

Trying to put out a fire by creating another fire in the hopes that their fire will suck up all the oxygen is not exactly a good idea.

That's the kind of thinking that holds civillizations back. Biotics are a tool that can be used, just like the mass relays. We do need to learn how to stop enemy biotics and that was why Project Trapdoor existed but we also need to create our own human biotics. 

He was also questioning his motives and had doubts about what he was doing all the time.

And so he should, I question the sanity of anyone who completely trusts The Illusive Man.

While it's true that Kahlee and Hendel could have made it worse, they saw Grayson unfit of handling a child with special abilities like Gillian and they didn't want Cerberus to get their hands on her again, because they could make her situation even worse to the point of no recovery.

They were unfit of telling wether or not Grayson or Cerberus were unfit of handling Gillian. There is still no proof that anything Cerberus did to Gillian had any relevance on her autism.

Denying extremists like Cerberus potential weapons is also kind of a good thing.

This could turn into a Collector Base debate so quickly.

[C9316]

Well let's get it started then, we all know it's going to lead to the Collector base soon.