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[Dean_the_Young]

C9316 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Why don't you pretty it up some more why don't you?

• Ascension: While frolicking in the forest, The Illusive Man decided to continue the Subject Zero project with happier methods. Due to a misunderstanding between friends, Cerberus accidently gave the Quarians a fireworks show while trying to pick up their friend.
  
• Retribution: After hearing that bad men wanted to come and do bad things, The Illusive Man decided to call up his friend and gave him free upgrades to the Reaper fitness gym. Upon critical mission failure, the turians want to give him a hug but fail as he escapes.

How juvenile.

That's probably among the most mature responses anyone could give you. Certainly one of the more humerous.

[Dave of Canada]

C9316 wrote...

How juvenile.

What'd you want?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 21 décembre 2011 - 08:34 .

[Someone With Mass]

MisterJB wrote...

They were unfit of telling wether or not Grayson or Cerberus were unfit of handling Gillian. There is still no proof that anything Cerberus did to Gillian had any relevance on her autism.

Well, they knew that they drugging her and the only way to find out if it really was the reason was to keep her off those drugs. Alas, I don't think Cerberus would have allowed it and therefore, they needed to escape. The quarian fleet was not an expected destination either.

I think a change of environment is a slightly less risky experience than letting the girl get another shot of the stuff that put her in a light coma or made her go berserk at the slightest pinch.

[Arkitekt]

Someone With Mass wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
Anderson, Kahlee and the turian's fault. Cerberus would have killed Grayson before he became too dangerous.

Was that why they gave him red sand to deliberately make his biotic powers even stronger, while having almost no control of the growth of the Reaper nanites' control?

Smooth.

This is intellectually dishonest. Cerberus was full in control in Retribution and did not anticipate the series of unlikely events that led to the Turians' attack on the facility, namely (1) the ability of Grayson to send his intel subtly and discreetly against all odds to Kahlee Sanders, (2) her own discretion on calling only Anderson and no one else (3), Anderson's presence of mind to not get the Alliance on this issue and on the contrary, get Turians' help, (4) their ability to prepare the attack without any leak whatsoever. TIM was outmaneuvered by these very unlikely and very intelligently conceived events, and had the poor luck of the facility where he was torturing Grayson being on his list.

Had, for instance, Anderson tried to prepare himself such an attack, TIM would have been tipped off, and he would have secured the operation. Grayson would have never become the dangerous specimen he did become.

Notice also that even despite the big punch that Cerberus had in their stomachs, they were still able to go after Grayson and kill him.

So you are 100% wrong on that point.

[MisterJB]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Well, they knew that they drugging her and the only way to find out if it really was the reason was to keep her off those drugs. Alas, I don't think Cerberus would have allowed it and therefore, they needed to escape. The quarian fleet was not an expected destination either.

I think a change of environment is a slightly less risky experience than letting the girl get another shot of the stuff that put her in a light coma or made her go berserk at the slightest pinch.

Gillian is a prodigy. If Teltin proved anything, is that Cerberus is not going to risk her life needlessly. They wouldn't give her more of the stuff that almost killed her.
Taking Gillian to the quarians disregarded the entire project.

[Drone223]

I think Cerberus should consider the pontental gain of having alien's as allies, and that humainity is not the center of the universe, in the war against the reaper's humanity will not survive without allies

[goofyomnivore]

They do. TIM even says curing the Krogan would be good for the Reaper war.

[Drone223]

strive wrote...

They do. TIM even says curing the Krogan would be good for the Reaper war.

*looks at Sur'Kesh demo* I think that's changed now

[MisterJB]

They could be trying to cure the Genophage on their terms.

[goofyomnivore]

Maybe so. But if you have read the leak there are quite a bit of "changed now" moments and not just from Cerberus.

Modifié par strive, 21 décembre 2011 - 09:26 .

[Drone223]

MisterJB wrote...

They could be trying to cure the Genophage on their terms.

Dosen't look like it, they seem they want the cure gone altogether 

[Arkitekt]

They have found other means of disposing of the reapers, and it is against humanity's needs in a post-war environment to have billions of Krogans out there.

[TMA LIVE]

Arkitekt wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
Anderson, Kahlee and the turian's fault. Cerberus would have killed Grayson before he became too dangerous.

Was that why they gave him red sand to deliberately make his biotic powers even stronger, while having almost no control of the growth of the Reaper nanites' control?

Smooth.

This is intellectually dishonest. Cerberus was full in control in Retribution and did not anticipate the series of unlikely events that led to the Turians' attack on the facility, namely (1) the ability of Grayson to send his intel subtly and discreetly against all odds to Kahlee Sanders, (2) her own discretion on calling only Anderson and no one else (3), Anderson's presence of mind to not get the Alliance on this issue and on the contrary, get Turians' help, (4) their ability to prepare the attack without any leak whatsoever. TIM was outmaneuvered by these very unlikely and very intelligently conceived events, and had the poor luck of the facility where he was torturing Grayson being on his list.

Had, for instance, Anderson tried to prepare himself such an attack, TIM would have been tipped off, and he would have secured the operation. Grayson would have never become the dangerous specimen he did become.

Notice also that even despite the big punch that Cerberus had in their stomachs, they were still able to go after Grayson and kill him.

So you are 100% wrong on that point.

Actually it is kind of Cerberus' fault still. I mean, they know he sent something, since he destroyed his own computer. He threaten to send information if Kahlee was threaten. Meaning he has info to threaten with. Automatically you should assume something has been compromised. Yet they never tried to get that information out of Grayson first, before turning him into a lab rat. Nor did any tracing, like Aria did to connect the dots to Kahlee, and then to Anderson.

And it's TIM's fault if he has no idea of a famous human Admiral, who's connected to the Reaper investigation, is talking to Turians about going after Cerberus' people and places. Even though he should have people informing him of such things.

And when TIM's base was attacked, his only way of stopping Grayson was his ninja. He did not try to blow up his base by senting it to self destruct. Despite being able to do so remotely with the station used to rebuild Shepard. He didn't even have an option to incinerate Grayson within his room, or gas him, or whatever. His only alternative was a stupid ninja.

And his ninja decided not to kill Grayson, in order to save TIM.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 21 décembre 2011 - 10:54 .

[Dean_the_Young]

While that's a mite few too many extensions of 'fault' to unreasonable extents in my book, why don't we try and shift the topic to a less traveled, more in line track with the OP?



What does (or, what would have) Cerberus needed* to serve the roll of morally-varied pro-Human splinter group for the franchise?

*Let's give solutions, rather than 'don't be like portrayed as was', k chaps?

[Drone223]

Arkitekt wrote...

They have found other means of disposing of the reapers, and it is against humanity's needs in a post-war environment to have billions of Krogans out there.

Then why waste resource's trying to kill Shepard instead of using those resource's to stop the reaper's

[TMA LIVE]

I think what Cerberus really needs are more success stories. Like saving colonies that had nothing to do with Shepard. Or saving human lives as they claim. Jacob's story is the only one that Shepard is given, where a batarian terrorist attack was stopped. I mean, majority of your crew talk about how Cerberus is doing more then the Alliance. If so, then what's what? What have they've been doing to cause this belief?

I also think they should have created reasons for you to even consider trusting TIM. Because as you play the game, all he does is lie to you. He even sets you up, and puts you at risk.

One idea I had was another colony being attacked if you continued to do loyalty missions, instead of going after the IFF, or go after your crew. Except this time, TIM tells you not to save the colony, because it's a trap. It's a trap because Collectors don't allow distress signals from being sent. Yet you're still given a choice. Tell TIM to screw himself, and try to save the colony. Or don't, and continue your mission.

And if you do try to save the colony, your ship becomes damaged. You risk losing a squadmate. Shepard himself is almost killed. And best of all, you don't save anyone, except maybe 4 people. Or no one.

It would be a throwback to Empire. Instead of listening to a warning, you don't save anyone. You just almost got yourself killed.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 21 décembre 2011 - 11:43 .

[Ausstig]

MisterJB wrote...

What Cerberus needs is a new leader. I suggest either Miranda Lawson or Oleg Petrovsky.

I agree Miranda could run the political/ science side and Oleg could run the military side. I like the Gerneral he is an intlegent militray comander who sees the big picture. 

[XzorshTheConqueror]

Ausstig wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

What Cerberus needs is a new leader. I suggest either Miranda Lawson or Oleg Petrovsky.

I agree Miranda could run the political/ science side and Oleg could run the military side. I like the Gerneral he is an intlegent militray comander who sees the big picture. 

If Shepard himself can't take the mantle of the Illusive Man, then I would support this. I also hope Oleg survives in the Mass Effect Invasion storyline. But I'm doubtful after seeing the cover art for Issue 4.

[Labrev]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Who are you, and why do you think I was talking to you?

Better question: why do you think I care if you were talking to me/not?

[Dean_the_Young]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Who are you, and why do you think I was talking to you?

Better question: why do you think I care if you were talking to me/not?

If you didn't care one way or another, you wouldn't have bothered to address me. Or reply to me.

The mere act of responding is the proof of a level of interest.

[Labrev]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Who are you, and why do you think I was talking to you?

Better question: why do you think I care if you were talking to me/not?

If you didn't care one way or another, you wouldn't have bothered to address me. Or reply to me.

The mere act of responding is the proof of a level of interest.

What? I only cared to respond to your post - not whether or not it was directed at me. Seeing as, you'd cited something I'd just said.

[Dean_the_Young]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Who are you, and why do you think I was talking to you?

Better question: why do you think I care if you were talking to me/not?

If you didn't care one way or another, you wouldn't have bothered to address me. Or reply to me.

The mere act of responding is the proof of a level of interest.

What? I only cared to respond to your post - not whether or not it was directed at me. Seeing as, you'd cited something I'd just said.

And this is why I know you cared if I were talking to you or not.

[Seboist]

Drone223 wrote...

strive wrote...

They do. TIM even says curing the Krogan would be good for the Reaper war.

*looks at Sur'Kesh demo* I think that's changed now

Yeah, that's called "bad writing", much like Cerberus becoming a superpower after having been nearly bankrupted by Normandy/Lazarus and severely weakened by the Turian attack in Retribution.

[Bleachrude]

Wulfram wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

I mean, in-universe, it is mentioned that the salarians have actually forged closer ties with the Turians so they basically have a mutual-defense pact.

Where's this mentioned?

Codex entry on Salarians under Military, 2nd to last paragraph
While capable of defending themselves against most threats, the salarians know that they are small fish in a universe filled with sharks. As a point of survival, they have cultivated strong alliances with larger powers, particularly with the turians. Though the relationship between the two species was rocky at first due to the krogan uplift fiasco, the salarians take pains to keep this relationship strong enough that anyone who might threaten them risks turian intervention.

re: Cerebus indoctrinated.

Is this reallyt hat hard to believe given what we knew of Saren? The same Saren that called down an orbital strike on his big brother to stop the Reapers?

Modifié par Bleachrude, 22 décembre 2011 - 01:59 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Seboist wrote...

Drone223 wrote...

strive wrote...

They do. TIM even says curing the Krogan would be good for the Reaper war.

*looks at Sur'Kesh demo* I think that's changed now

Yeah, that's called "bad writing", much like Cerberus becoming a superpower after having been nearly bankrupted by Normandy/Lazarus and severely weakened by the Turian attack in Retribution.

Fortunately, Cerberus hasn't been portrayed as a superpower in ME3, from the demos or spoilers.

Exageratedly large? Yes. But the real muscle comes from the Reapers, with the Cerberus troops just being small strike forces.