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[Meldread]

I'm thinking about playing through the game as a conniving female noble.  When she learns that Alistair is the heir to the throne she will work to seduce him, and impregnate herself with the royal heir (if possible).  She will lead Alistair into believing that she loves him, pretend to support Anora for the throne, then betray her and install Alistair as King at the Landsmeet and herself as his queen.

She will then refuse Morrigan's offer and have Alistair sacrifice himself to destroy the Archdemon.  

Ideally, with no one left to stand in her way (Loghain is dead, Anora is imprisoned or dead if possible)... she's hopefully impregnated with the royal heir... she will ascend to the Throne and rule alone as queen.

Is that a potential ending?

Modifié par Meldread, 23 novembre 2009 - 06:12 .

[Naltair]

I hope so.

[kesayo2]

lol

[Meldread]

Come on, that ending would be awesome if it were possible. However, I've heard Anora can't be killed and only locked away in a tower. I'm not sure if Alistair impregnates the female PC, but I think it could be safe to assume if you screw him enough times its inevitable... unless the Joining makes you infertile?

I have a sneaky feeling, though, that if Alistair doesn't make it, Anora most likely shows back up as Queen in the end. That would suck...

Modifié par Meldread, 23 novembre 2009 - 06:39 .

[Beechwell]

unfortunately that is not possible, since you and Alister can't have kids. As he tells my female noble after I made him king! This also means he won't have you as his queen because he needs to produce an heir.



Unless there is some other way that I just don't see.

[Taleroth]

No, because the marriage and official announcement of engagement won't happen until AFTER the Archdemon dies. You'll still just be a Cousland.

[Beechwell]

Wait! There is a way for marriage?

[Meldread]

Taleroth wrote...

No, because the marriage and official announcement of engagement won't happen until AFTER the Archdemon dies. You'll still just be a Cousland.

That's why it's important to have a bun in the oven.

Even so, what happens if Anora is imprisoned / dead, Loghain is dead, Alister is dead... if not the PC, then who?  They reinstate Anora afterward? Does the kingdom fall into civil war and chaos?

It just seems a bit odd for the PC to make a power play to become Queen, and then once Alister is dead... Anora just shows back up as if nothing happened.

After all, if you're making a power play, there is no reason -not- to kill her right at the Landsmeet... and even if Alister forbid it, accidents are known to happen in high towers, specifically falling out of the equally high windows. I hear deposed queens are highly suicidal.

Seriously, if there is no way to make this work it should totally be patched in later when they fix some of the bugs in the endings or at the very least modded in by the community. It just makes sense that this would be a potential outcome.

Hell, we spent all that time doing sidequests and crap, we can't take 30 min to sign some legal papers and get hitched at the Landsmeet? Everyone who needs to see it is there already, and a newly appointed king should ensure his affairs are in order before he runs off to play soldier.

Modifié par Meldread, 23 novembre 2009 - 07:47 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Can you actually have Anora killed? I couldn't convince Alistair to do so.

[Beechwell]

Ok, I take back what I said about not being able to become queen. It is possible if you kill Loghain straight away without arguing over it first. (or it may beconnected to relationship with Alister which probably goes down if you even consider sparing Loghain).



However without Alister, the PC has no claim to the throne whatsoever. Even of Enora is dead, Arl Eome or someone like that would inherit the kingdom.

Of course it would be possible to poison both Alister and Anora later on, but that cannot be part of the game.

[galesong1234]

You can become queen only if you are noble human female

[Meldread]

Beechwell wrote...

Ok,
I take back what I said about not being able to become queen. It is
possible if you kill Loghain straight away without arguing over it
first. (or it may beconnected to relationship with Alister which
probably goes down if you even consider sparing Loghain).

However
without Alister, the PC has no claim to the throne whatsoever. Even
of Enora is dead, Arl Eome or someone like that would inherit the
kingdom.
Of course it would be possible to poison both Alister and
Anora later on, but that cannot be part of the game.

My first PC slept with Morrigan only once, refused her ritual in the end, and sacrificed himself against the Archdemon. Morrigan still ended up pregnant from that one time they were together. Why couldn't the female PC have the same luck with Alister?

Even if that doesn't work, if a female PC is scheming for the throne, she could always lie about being pregnant, and then steal some peasant woman's infant child to pass off as her own. That's a little more complex, and epilogue material... but even so, it's one route.

The fact of the matter is, virtually everyone would know that the PC and Alister are knocking boots on a regular basis. They'd have no reason not to assume she wasn't pregnant, true or false. This means your life is in danger if Anora takes the throne. Not only did you make a power play for the throne itself, deposing her in the process, the potential likelihood of you carrying Alister's heir isn't something she'd overlook. She'd most likely have you knifed while you sleep or poisoned. Either way, you're really too dangerous for her to let live long.

On the other hand, if you work to ensure Alister lives so you can poison him later.... it comes with one small inconvenient problem: he has to screw Morrigan.

Now, if you assume the female PC is just using Alister to get to the throne that isn't a big issue. What is an issue, however, is the fact that Morrigan becomes pregnant. Not only is she carrying the true heir to the throne, it is also a god-child. That causes issues down the road of the PC's own children being challenged for the throne by their bastard godling half-brother / sister.

The most ideal solution if a PC wanted to take the throne and secure it, would first be a male noble, then spare Loghain at the Landsmeet, marry Anora, have Loghain sacrifice himself against the Archdemon, and then once Anora has produced a suitable heir to the throne stage an accident for her.... or assuming she failed to produce an heir like she did for her previous husband that accident may come sooner rather than later.

In any event, a female PC is somewhat screwed if she romanced Alister, deposed Anora, and then didn't allow Alister to sleep with Morrigan.  There really is no reason for Anora not to want such an individual dead.

Modifié par Meldread, 23 novembre 2009 - 08:30 .

[galesong1234]

Meldread wrote...

Beechwell wrote...

Ok,
I take back what I said about not being able to become queen. It is
possible if you kill Loghain straight away without arguing over it
first. (or it may beconnected to relationship with Alister which
probably goes down if you even consider sparing Loghain).

However
without Alister, the PC has no claim to the throne whatsoever. Even
of Enora is dead, Arl Eome or someone like that would inherit the
kingdom.
Of course it would be possible to poison both Alister and
Anora later on, but that cannot be part of the game.

My first PC slept with Morrigan only once, refused her ritual in the end, and sacrificed himself against the Archdemon. Morrigan still ended up pregnant from that one time they were together. Why couldn't the female PC have the same luck with Alister?

Even if that doesn't work, if a female PC is scheming for the throne, she could always lie about being pregnant, and then steal some peasant woman's infant child to pass off as her own. That's a little more complex, and epilogue material... but even so, it's one route.

The fact of the matter is, virtually everyone would know that the PC and Alister are knocking boots on a regular basis. They'd have no reason not to assume she wasn't pregnant, true or false. This means your life is in danger if Anora takes the throne. Not only did you make a power play for the throne itself, deposing her in the process, the potential likelihood of you carrying Alister's heir isn't something she'd overlook. She'd most likely have you knifed while you sleep or poisoned. Either way, you're really too dangerous for her to let live long.

On the other hand, if you work to ensure Alister lives so you can poison him later.... it comes with one small inconvenient problem: he has to screw Morrigan.

Now, if you assume the female PC is just using Alister to get to the throne that isn't a big issue. What is an issue, however, is the fact that Morrigan becomes pregnant. Not only is she carrying the true heir to the throne, it is also a god-child. That causes issues down the road of the PC's own children being challenged for the throne by their bastard godling half-brother / sister.

The most ideal solution if a PC wanted to take the throne and secure it, would first be a male noble, then spare Loghain at the Landsmeet, marry Anora, have Loghain sacrifice himself against the Archdemon, and then once Anora has produced a suitable heir to the throne stage an accident for her.... or assuming she failed to produce an heir like she did for her previous husband that accident may come sooner rather than later.

In any event, a female PC is somewhat screwed if she romanced Alister, deposed Anora, and then didn't allow Alister to sleep with Morrigan.  There really is no reason for Anora not to want such an individual dead.

Pretty much pc famales are screwed...we just have to pick the best ending for us....you don't have a chance to become queen unless you play as a human noble famale.  Even if you managed to become queen as a human...two grey wardens can't produce a baby...thus you still need Morrigan's Brat.  If you're playing a non-human female...your even more screwed...you have to share him with Morrigan if you want him to survive or sacrifise yourself.  If you're lucky maybe you might get to be his mistress....best scenario...make anora queen...you both ride into sunset as grey wardens together only to die at 30.

Modifié par galesong1234, 23 novembre 2009 - 08:42 .

[Element CL]

I need to know, is it actually possible to get Allistair to Marry the Queen lady? Forgot her name.

[Lucy Glitter]

Yes it is but you have to be very persuasive.

[galesong1234]

Element CL wrote...

I need to know, is it actually possible to get Allistair to Marry the Queen lady? Forgot her name.

Yes! If playing female pc...if you have a relationship with him it will take major convincing. If loghain lives, Alistair will only get throne if he is hardened....otherwise he will try to kill Loghain or leave.....If Alistair kills Loghain...Anora will not marry  Alistair as she won't marry her father's murderer...so that means your pc will have to kill Loghain.

[Beechwell]

galesong1234 wrote...

Pretty much pc famales are screwed...we just have to pick the best ending for us....you don't have a chance to become queen unless you play as a human noble famale.

Well, look how screwed male character in love with Morrigan is. He gets one final night with her, then he will probably never see her or his child ever again.
And can non-noble men really marry Anora and become king? I don't think they should be able to.

EDIT: Unless there is indeed an ending that lets you stay with Morrigan. Maybe if you don't kill Flemeth?

EDIT: non-noble men, not humans

Modifié par Beechwell, 23 novembre 2009 - 12:00 .

[Count Viceroy]

And can non-noble humans really marry Anora and become king? I don't think they should be able to.

EDIT: Unless there is indeed an ending that lets you stay with Morrigan. Maybe if you don't kill Flemeth?

No, on both counts.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 23 novembre 2009 - 11:54 .

[galesong1234]

Beechwell wrote...

galesong1234 wrote...

Pretty much pc famales are screwed...we just have to pick the best ending for us....you don't have a chance to become queen unless you play as a human noble famale.

Well, look how screwed male character in love with Morrigan is. He gets one final night with her, then he will probably never see her or his child ever again.
And can non-noble men really marry Anora and become king? I don't think they should be able to.

EDIT: Unless there is indeed an ending that lets you stay with Morrigan. Maybe if you don't kill Flemeth?

EDIT: non-noble men, not humans

As per DAO Strategy Guide.....here is one possible option.....Anora rules with human noble male PC: Only if you let Loghain live, or Alistair kills or executes Loghain...Anora will not marry her father's murderer.

Nothing about Morrigan....suppose you could just go to the Korcari Wilds to find her and tell her of your undying lust....errr....love for her. In fact someone should make that a new quest option in the DAO Toolset.

Only human male nobles can become king...unless there is an option to becoming Queen Anora's Man**** you are stuck just being a Grey Warden.

You never know....I just won landsmeet....I thought I was putting Anora on the throne...but Alistair won hands down...then he comes and says we need to talk....WTF....my Danish Elf Warrior is doomed....but there was several dialogue options...I told him to think of himself....Alistair asked me to forgive him for even bring it up and my pc replies you'll have to earn it....Alistair's final reply that my pc was rather saucey and we'll discuss punishment.   So it's official...nothing implied....my pc is kings mistress. But do I let the witch bed him?

Do enough digging maybe they hid something in there about Morrigan?

Modifié par galesong1234, 23 novembre 2009 - 02:53 .

[Elanareon]

Nah Morrigan was heading to the frostback mountains.

[galesong1234]

Elanareon wrote...

Nah Morrigan was heading to the frostback mountains.

Haven't made it to the very end yet..on final battle.

It figures.....she was a cold hearted witch.

[The Angry One]

I'd dispute the idea that a female PC has no claim.

Teyrns are second only to the King, and as a Cousland you're second in line for Teyrna, and unlike Loghain you are nobility by birth.

Were Anora not equipped with a Shield of Plot +15 and executed for her crimes, then you would surely have a claim assuming Fergus isn't interested.

[Nyaore]

Beechwell wrote...

unfortunately that is not possible, since you and Alister can't have kids. As he tells my female noble after I made him king! This also means he won't have you as his queen because he needs to produce an heir.

Unless there is some other way that I just don't see.

Actually I remember David once commenting that they could possibly have children together, but that the chances are so remote that it would be nearly impossible to achieve.

I actually agree with The Angry One about this. If you're already a Human Noble you should have a pretty good claim to the throne, though I'd imagine Eamon and Teagan would have an even better claim given their relation to Cailan.

Modifié par Nyaore, 23 novembre 2009 - 03:20 .

[th3warr1or]

Meldread wrote...

I'm thinking about playing through the game as a conniving female noble.  When she learns that Alistair is the heir to the throne she will work to seduce him, and impregnate herself with the royal heir (if possible).  She will lead Alistair into believing that she loves him, pretend to support Anora for the throne, then betray her and install Alistair as King at the Landsmeet and herself as his queen.

She will then refuse Morrigan's offer and have Alistair sacrifice himself to destroy the Archdemon.  

Ideally, with no one left to stand in her way (Loghain is dead, Anora is imprisoned or dead if possible)... she's hopefully impregnated with the royal heir... she will ascend to the Throne and rule alone as queen.

Is that a potential ending?

I only have got one thing to say... You're one evil/manipulative/cunning/plotting son of a ****.

[The Angry One]

Nyaore wrote...

Beechwell wrote...

unfortunately that is not possible, since you and Alister can't have kids. As he tells my female noble after I made him king! This also means he won't have you as his queen because he needs to produce an heir.

Unless there is some other way that I just don't see.

Actually I remember David once commenting that they could possibly have children together, but that the chances are so remote that it would be nearly impossible to achieve.

I actually agree with The Angry One about this. If you're already a Human Noble you should have a pretty good claim to the throne, though I'd imagine Eamon and Teagan would have an even better claim given their relation to Cailan.

True however Eamon is rather old and Teagan seems to be content as a Bann; despite Eamon being on his deathbed he never once shows any interest in becoming Arl for example.
Connor is of course out of the question.

Edit: That said I'd take Teagan over Anora in a heartbeat.
And then marry him.

Modifié par The Angry One, 23 novembre 2009 - 03:39 .