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[Star]

Beechwell wrote...

unfortunately that is not possible, since you and Alister can't have kids. As he tells my female noble after I made him king! This also means he won't have you as his queen because he needs to produce an heir.

Unless there is some other way that I just don't see.

Actually I remember David once commenting that they could possibly have children together, but that the chances are so remote that it would be nearly impossible to achieve.

Yeah, I remember that.  Fertility issueswould largely have been seen in male Grey Wardens at this point.  After all, Alistair tells you that that there have been very few female Grey Wardens and that most (male) GWs usually have kids before becoming GWs.  If his ability (or a male PCs) to impregnate Morrigan is based upon his more recent joining, then in general, the same should hold true for a female PC.  Perhaps this is faulty logic, but I think of it like radiation poisioning; many impacts, including fertility for both sexes and the impacts aren't limited to one sex.

So -- all that to say, that if Alistair/Male PC can do it, probably so could a female PC.  I didn't see David's comment however, my female human noble PC just had the conversation with Alistair where says that it might be difficult but not impossible and also comments on what it good thing it is that you've been regularly *sleeping* together which would increase the likelihood.

Modifié par Star58, 23 novembre 2009 - 03:59 .

[Nyaore]

The Angry One wrote...

Nyaore wrote...

Beechwell wrote...

unfortunately that is not possible, since you and Alister can't have kids. As he tells my female noble after I made him king! This also means he won't have you as his queen because he needs to produce an heir.

Unless there is some other way that I just don't see.

Actually I remember David once commenting that they could possibly have children together, but that the chances are so remote that it would be nearly impossible to achieve.

I actually agree with The Angry One about this. If you're already a Human Noble you should have a pretty good claim to the throne, though I'd imagine Eamon and Teagan would have an even better claim given their relation to Cailan.

True however Eamon is rather old and Teagan seems to be content as a Bann; despite Eamon being on his deathbed he never once shows any interest in becoming Arl for example.
Connor is of course out of the question.

Edit: That said I'd take Teagan over Anora in a heartbeat.
And then marry him.

You and me both.

[Elwoodw]

The Redcliffe nobles are related to the royalty by marriage, not birth. Eamon states this clearly when discussing why he steps aside in favor of Alistair.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

JUst gotta say to your first post Meldread , that i like your mindset

[Meldread]

The Angry One wrote...

I'd dispute the idea that a female PC has no claim.
Teyrns are second only to the King, and as a Cousland you're second in line for Teyrna, and unlike Loghain you are nobility by birth.
Were Anora not equipped with a Shield of Plot +15 and executed for her crimes, then you would surely have a claim assuming Fergus isn't interested.

I'd agree with you on most of your points. Although, I would point out that Anora doesn't actually commit any crimes until she refuses to acknowledge Alister as the rightful King. She's legally and legitimately Queen right up until the point she is deposed at the Landsmeet.

That being said, you're spot on about the Couslands. Even without being pregnant their claim to the throne is fairly strong ONCE Anora has been deposed as the Queen. Anora holds her claim to Queen by marriage. Eamon and Teagan may have the ability to argue as having a stronger claim than the Couslands because they also have ties to the throne by marriage.

However, Teagan does not seem to be motivated by such things. I can't say the same for Eamon, he seems motivated by a desire for what is best for the Kingdom. There is a possibility that he could turn against the PC ruling alone as Queen depending on how things turned out.

That all brings us back to the important point: having a bun in the oven. This is where Anora failed most spectacularly. Had she produced a royal heir, there would have been little chance of her being deposed unless she did a very poor job as Queen. All signs point to her being a good and effective Queen before and after, not to mention highly regarded by the nobility and the common people.

Without the female PC producing a royal heir her claim becomes shaky enough to be challenged.  

However, if you combine the fact that she is a Cousland and mother to the royal heir, last of his / her line, then her claim to the Throne is by far the strongest of anyone in the Kingdom. We know that it's not impossible for a male to impregnate a non-Warden female... so for men, they may not be completely sterile. For women, they may have a harder time conceiving and then carrying the child to term. Even so, I don't imagine it is impossible, and the PC has access to plenty of magic at their disposal and I can think of several individuals who could potentially aid her in conceiving a child.

But let us assume that she is forever sterile and can not conceive children. Ever. That still doesn't rule out the possibility of her faking her pregnancy, and then stealing some commoners newborn baby to pass off as her own. All that would be needed to accomplish this lie is to speak to Emon and Alister before the Landsmeet. Lie to them and inform them that you are pregnant... the rest could be handled in the epilogue.

But I guess things are what they are! Can anyone tell me... if the female PC is slated to become Queen after the Landsmeet, and then Alister dies... does Anora come back as the Queen? And what is her reaction to the female PC?

We all know how Anora reacts to Alister at the Landsmeet if you try and spare Loghain and make Anora queen. She attempts to have Alister executed because she views him as a threat to her rule. There is no reason she would not view a female noble PC in the same light. She'd have the following information
about the PC:

1. You've forced her off her throne once before at the Landsmeet, weakening her position among the nobility at least in the immediate and short term.

2. You tried to install yourself as queen in her place.

3. You've been sleeping with Alister and could potentially be pregnant with his rightful heir, and thus perhaps challenge her rule or the rule of her potential children in the future.

Yeah, I'm not seeing Anora letting that go. She doesn't strike me as much of a forgiving woman when you come between her and what she wants.

Modifié par Meldread, 23 novembre 2009 - 09:49 .

[Helen0rz]

galesong1234 wrote...

Pretty much pc famales are screwed...we just have to pick the best ending for us....you don't have a chance to become queen unless you play as a human noble famale.  Even if you managed to become queen as a human...two grey wardens can't produce a baby...thus you still need Morrigan's Brat.  If you're playing a non-human female...your even more screwed...you have to share him with Morrigan if you want him to survive or sacrifise yourself.  If you're lucky maybe you might get to be his mistress....best scenario...make anora queen...you both ride into sunset as grey wardens together only to die at 30.

technically What Alistair said was he think the chances of two grey wardens having kids ain't gonna be high...because all the grey wardens that he knows had kids before they were initiated...so technically he doesn't know for sure if him and the PC can have kids. i think it's possible, just REALLY hard.

galesong1234 wrote...

Yes! If playing female pc...if you have a relationship with him it will take major convincing. If loghain lives, Alistair will only get throne if he is hardened....otherwise he will try to kill Loghain or leave.....If Alistair kills Loghain...Anora will not marry  Alistair as she won't marry her father's murderer...so that means your pc will have to kill Loghain.

half of this is not true. Alistair will still be king if you put him there...you just need to be very persuasive. You as a PC get to choose whether you or Alistair kill Loghain. I know I got to choose.

Meldread wrote...

That all brings us back to the important point: having a bun in the oven. This is where Anora failed most spectacularly. Had she produced a royal heir, there would have been little chance of her being deposed unless she did a very poor job as Queen. All signs point to her being a good and effective Queen before and after, not to mention highly regarded by the nobility and the common people.

Without the female PC producing a royal heir her claim becomes shaky enough to be challenged.  

I forgot what part of the game it was, but it was way in the beginning (i believe it was Ostagar or on your way to Redcliff)...there's someone you can talk to which will bring up this dialog option about why Cailan had no heir.   All in all i think you think wayyyyyyy too much into all of these LOL

[Meldread]

Meldread wrote...

That all brings us back to the important point: having a bun in the oven. This is where Anora failed most spectacularly. Had she produced a royal heir, there would have been little chance of her being deposed unless she did a very poor job as Queen. All signs point to her being a good and effective Queen before and after, not to mention highly regarded by the nobility and the common people.

Without the female PC producing a royal heir her claim becomes shaky enough to be challenged.  

I forgot what part of the game it was, but it was way in the beginning (i believe it was Ostagar or on your way to Redcliff)...there's someone you can talk to which will bring up this dialog option about why Cailan had no heir.   All in all i think you think wayyyyyyy too much into all of these LOL

Maybe I do, but I'm also a huge fan of a Song of Ice and Fire. Dragon Age drew inspiration from the books, so it's difficult to not think in those terms.

In a perfect situation for the female PC I'd like to play, she'd do all the things I outlined, except she'd sleep with her surviving brother Fergus to have his baby. She'd pass that off as Alister's.

The sole goal being, of course, to raise a full blooded Cousland to someday take the Throne.

It's a way to fulfill her oath she made to her father in her origin story, way back in the beginning... to ensure that her House lives. And what better way to do that, than to ensure a new dynasty of Cousland kings and queens? 

Modifié par Meldread, 23 novembre 2009 - 11:13 .

[SarEnyaDor]

Eeeeew!



You had me until the sleeping with Fergus part.

[The Angry One]

Egyptian style royalty ftw?

[SarEnyaDor]

And in a generation or three Egyptian style birth-defects and still born mummies!!

Edited to add -> Besides, I'm holding out hope Alistair knocked me up because of Leliana's glowing comments.

Modifié par SarEnyaDor, 23 novembre 2009 - 11:23 .

[Meldread]

LOL. Yeah, it's gross but if you read a Song of Ice and Fire you'll understand the type of character I had in mind and where I got that idea.



Besides, if they keep things so nobility can only marry other nobility in the kingdom, in several generations everyone is basically sleeping with their cousins anyhow.

[Wompoo]

I think the PC noble has possibly the strongest claim to the throne (apart from Alister) as the CouslandTeyrns actually predate the monarchy as a noble house.

Modifié par Wompoo, 23 novembre 2009 - 11:54 .

[Meldread]

That's interesting, but aren't there other Teyrns? Aren't there others in the same position? At the end of the game Cousland has no armies, and only two surviving members of the entire house the PC and his / her brother. So long as there is anyone out there willing to challenge your claim to the throne, then you could have a hard time holding onto it without popular support among the nobility.



There are basically two ways to accomplish this: The first is to become pregnant with the royal heir, and the second is to rely on the popularity of Alister after his death. He'd become the hero that saved everyone, and everyone would know his intentions as they were announced at the Landsmeet. If you're the mother to the royal heir you can rely on both, but if you are not then you can rely only on the second. Hero's might impress common folk, but I don't see the nobility easily swayed. To bring people on board you'd have to dilute your power by offering favors and such.... it'd be very dicey with the potential for rebellion and civil war.



Being pregnant with the royal heir is really the only thing that could potentially secure your place as Queen with the death of Alister.



What I do not understand is Anora's feelings AFTER you've deposed her, and she's reinstated after Alister's death. Furthermore, I don't understand why many nobles were so willing to restore Anora. It would have been the perfect chance for many of them to make power grabs. Anora would be deposed and no longer queen, her father would be dead, Alister would be dead, and the only person with a shaky legitimate claim would be the PC via her relationship with Alister and his public intentions.



Is it assumed that the PC had a hand in reinstating Anora after the death of Alister? That's perhaps the easiest way to get Anora back on the Throne and would be the logical choice if you were playing a PC who cared more about keeping the Kingdom whole than she did about her own personal advancement.

[The Angry One]

The only other Teryn in Ferelden is Loghain, I believe. Who's head should be rightfully rolling on the floor.

[Walina]

Don't search to much about the endings when you plau a female PC because you don't have many options at Landmeet.

1) You side with Anora > Alistair doesn't get killed
2) You side with Alistair > Anora got improsed and may rule in case Alistair die
3) You can become queen > you've to be a human noble otherwise you will be dumped.
4) Spare Loghain > Alisair leave your sie forever and become a drunkyard or get executed
5) Spare Loghain > Alistair if harden will claim the throne and marry Anora. He will leave also you're team forever.

That's all, it's futile to seek why Mr.Gaider didn't made any other parties to play at Landmeet.

Modifié par Walina, 27 novembre 2009 - 12:23 .

[SarEnyaDor]

You guys can go off a Grey-Wardening into the sunset too

[The Angry One]

[DavidGaider]Oh I suppose we should've catered to every single one of your meta-game fantasies should we? Maybe I should've made it so that you become queen by summoning space aliens from the moon to back up your claim with positronic death rays too! How dare you question my vision, I am above your mediocrity![/DavidGaider]

[SarEnyaDor]

ROTFLMAO!

[Meldread]

Heh, the only reason I brought it up at all and figured it would be a potential ending was because it seemed like it would be the logical conclusion to draw. I mean, Anora was deposed as Queen at the Landsmeet and Alister was made King and the PC his Queen. Maybe all the paper work and traditional rituals weren't performed, but it just seemed unlikely (but is apparently what happens!) that Anora would be reinstated as Queen. It seems like virtually everyone would not have an interest in doing that... especially everyone who showed up to the Landsmeet and helped remove her from the throne in the first place. Revenge is a dish best served cold after all... and a young Queen like Anora can certainly have a very long memory.

[RangerHero]

Meldread wrote...

I'm thinking about playing through the game as a conniving female noble.  When she learns that Alistair is the heir to the throne she will work to seduce him, and impregnate herself with the royal heir (if possible).  She will lead Alistair into believing that she loves him, pretend to support Anora for the throne, then betray her and install Alistair as King at the Landsmeet and herself as his queen.

She will then refuse Morrigan's offer and have Alistair sacrifice himself to destroy the Archdemon.  

Ideally, with no one left to stand in her way (Loghain is dead, Anora is imprisoned or dead if possible)... she's hopefully impregnated with the royal heir... she will ascend to the Throne and rule alone as queen.

Is that a potential ending?

Woah...........

[quantumraider]

Wompoo wrote...

I think the PC noble has possibly the strongest claim to the throne (apart from Alister) as the CouslandTeyrns actually predate the monarchy as a noble house.

Actually, I think Fergus would have a better claim to the throne than your PC would. He is the eldest son after all.

You would rule your family estates or remain with the GW & head them up.

EDIT: Anora would also have to kill Fergus if she thinks you are a threat as he also would have a claim to the throne by the same method

Modifié par quantumraider, 24 novembre 2009 - 01:35 .

[The Angry One]

Though you have more hero kudos than Fergus ever will, given he spent the entire Blight in some tent on his backside.

I think he might prefer to rebuild the Cousland estate rather than be king anyway.

[Minxie]

Meldread wrote...

Heh, the only reason I brought it up at all and figured it would be a potential ending was because it seemed like it would be the logical conclusion to draw. I mean, Anora was deposed as Queen at the Landsmeet and Alister was made King and the PC his Queen. Maybe all the paper work and traditional rituals weren't performed, but it just seemed unlikely (but is apparently what happens!) that Anora would be reinstated as Queen. It seems like virtually everyone would not have an interest in doing that... especially everyone who showed up to the Landsmeet and helped remove her from the throne in the first place. Revenge is a dish best served cold after all... and a young Queen like Anora can certainly have a very long memory.

Yeah I figured this too. So is it confirmed that if you play as a female human noble, romance Alistair, support him as king with you beside him as queen, and then he sacrifices himself at the end... Anora ends up becoming queen? Cuz that seems kinda lame, especially if you went through all that trouble to depose Anora.
And besides, like many people have said, you as a teyrn's daughter have more right to the throne really, than Anora. Not to mention the fact that you're the hero of Ferelden. Female nobles should be able to become the sole ruler (with or without Alistair).

I hope we get a patch soon that fixes all the glitches regarding the different endings.

[Drake Sigar]

I'm not so much disappointed that the title of queen was denied to me at the last moment, as I am about the lack of any dialogue option which allows me to say "In the place of a Dark Lord, you would have a queen! Not dark, but beautiful and terrible as the dawn!"

Modifié par Drake Sigar, 27 novembre 2009 - 12:13 .

[NarcissaArtois]

Wow...okay imagination and actual game play got pretty blurry there.

What is proven and what is not?

1) Can you get pregnant as a female PC (I remember someone says that the convo they had with Alistair after they became king and queen that it certainly wouldnt be from lack of trying)

2) Is there actually an option to say that you are pregnant to Art Eamon and or Alistair



Or is this all make belief? I wouldn't make Alistair king even though I only play as a female noble because he doesnt want to be king. So its all errelevent...although it would be nice if they could start a family some time before they die of the taint.