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[Stardusk78]

Jenova65 wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Superior to women (and gay dudes and so on) who like their men more toned. Inferior to those with differing tastes, of which there are just as many as there are among us straight guys, y'know.

There are objective beauty parameters for both females and males as this has been extensively researched in evolutionary biology and psychology.

For men, tall, broad shoulders, muscular (degree varies), large penis, symmetrical face

For women, large breasts (degree varies), slim, soft, blemish free skin, proper female curves indicative of fertility, symmetrical face

These are archetypes all people adhere to but due to limited accessibility both for themselves and the rarity of a perfect combination of such features, compromises are always made and within any standard there are always deviations.

OK........... NO. Just no......... Please, you are being silly now... 
There are NO *objective* parameters of beauty. Are you seriously suggesting that beauty has been catagorically defined?? You are the victim of reading too many magazines if you think that...
You can research it until hell freezes over, but I can clear that up for you right now... Beauty, wait for it... is in the eye of the beholder, in the same way that you may hear Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata and think it is rubbish and I could listen to it and cry at what I hear as its beauty  The same goes for people, I love hazel eyes, but I also love grey eyes. I like dark haired men, but I also like blonds. Muscles are OK, I don't mind thin men either, I also think there is nothing nicer than having a man who is a big bear.. they are the warm and comfy ones who will keep you satisfied... 
I know there are millions of people who would disagree, but guess what, there are millions who would agree also... 
Are you a Liara fan?? She's f*cking blue, with tentacles you know.... *objectively* she fails... big time... but yet.. oh wait, she doesn't. Because beauty is subjective that fact is the only objective thing here. 
I love Liara btw, to clarify  I use her merely to point out the subjectiveness of beauty.

Not magazines, objective research, and of course deviations can be accounted for in numerous ways. If there were no objective standard the differentiated salaries would not exist for example. Society runs on biologically established norms and individual preference is just a subset within those norms. Will some people deviate in their sexual preferences from established norms? Sure, but there are many factors that could contribute to those deviations, so a man who like truly massive breasts simply corresponds to an established norm in an exaggerated way.

[shepskisaac]

Bekkael wrote...

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

I do love the Kaidan Fanboys.

So do I.

We love you too gorls

[Stardusk78]

C9316 wrote...

The answer is obviously Talimancers, last time I checked I don't remember anyone else trying to figure out what their character's sweat tasted like...

Do you have evidence of this?

Long live the Independents!

[JeffZero]

And then again, there are several women in this very thread who prefer Kaidan's physicality over Jacob's. And I can bet you bottom dollar both my current girlfriend and my previous girlfriend would certainly feel similar. As for the girlfriend before that, well, let's just say she's more of an Anderson kind of woman.

And yet Kaidan isn't as built as Jacob. And Anderson is pushing 50.

By your own account you recognize the potential for permutation, but it is either a more recurring thing than you believe or you're simply searching for more fuel to light the anti-VS blaze. I'm not sure which is the case but I can't currently see it as being neither.

Lastly, as a bonus example, Miranda is in many ways modeled after your psychological tendencies of evolutionary desire you listed. That said, while I highly enjoy her character, she is entirely too curvy for me. Were she a real person I would not be interested from a hardware perspective.

Just another example. The woman is definitely built for child-bearing, but (and barring of course the irrelevant fact that she can't in fact produce offspring anyway) seeing as how kids aren't for me I guess I've disabled that heavily-researched prerogative or something because I don't actually find that degree of curvature attractive.

Pleeeenty of room for deviations.

[Ravensword]

Jenova65 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...
Whatever's clever.

Erm neither.... I didn't realise we trying to be smart 

Oh, you.

[JeffZero]

Unfortunately I must be off for work. If you want to keep going we can do so via PM, but that's up to you. Not too big a deal for me.

[Sialater]

JeffZero wrote...

And then again, there are several women in this very thread who prefer Kaidan's physicality over Jacob's. And I can bet you bottom dollar both my current girlfriend and my previous girlfriend would certainly feel similar. As for the girlfriend before that, well, let's just say she's more of an Anderson kind of woman.

And yet Kaidan isn't as built as Jacob. And Anderson is pushing 50.

By your own account you recognize the potential for permutation, but it is either a more recurring thing than you believe or you're simply searching for more fuel to light the anti-VS blaze. I'm not sure which is the case but I can't currently see it as being neither.

Lastly, as a bonus example, Miranda is in many ways modeled after your psychological tendencies of evolutionary desire you listed. That said, while I highly enjoy her character, she is entirely too curvy for me. Were she a real person I would not be interested from a hardware perspective.

Just another example. The woman is definitely built for child-bearing, but (and barring of course the irrelevant fact that she can't in fact produce offspring anyway) seeing as how kids aren't for me I guess I've disabled that heavily-researched prerogative or something because I don't actually find that degree of curvature attractive.

Pleeeenty of room for deviations.

I enjoy being a deviant.

[Jenova65]

Stardusk78 wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Superior to women (and gay dudes and so on) who like their men more toned. Inferior to those with differing tastes, of which there are just as many as there are among us straight guys, y'know.

There are objective beauty parameters for both females and males as this has been extensively researched in evolutionary biology and psychology.

For men, tall, broad shoulders, muscular (degree varies), large penis, symmetrical face

For women, large breasts (degree varies), slim, soft, blemish free skin, proper female curves indicative of fertility, symmetrical face

These are archetypes all people adhere to but due to limited accessibility both for themselves and the rarity of a perfect combination of such features, compromises are always made and within any standard there are always deviations.

OK........... NO. Just no......... Please, you are being silly now... 
There are NO *objective* parameters of beauty. Are you seriously suggesting that beauty has been catagorically defined?? You are the victim of reading too many magazines if you think that...
You can research it until hell freezes over, but I can clear that up for you right now... Beauty, wait for it... is in the eye of the beholder, in the same way that you may hear Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata and think it is rubbish and I could listen to it and cry at what I hear as its beauty  The same goes for people, I love hazel eyes, but I also love grey eyes. I like dark haired men, but I also like blonds. Muscles are OK, I don't mind thin men either, I also think there is nothing nicer than having a man who is a big bear.. they are the warm and comfy ones who will keep you satisfied... 
I know there are millions of people who would disagree, but guess what, there are millions who would agree also... 
Are you a Liara fan?? She's f*cking blue, with tentacles you know.... *objectively* she fails... big time... but yet.. oh wait, she doesn't. Because beauty is subjective that fact is the only objective thing here. 
I love Liara btw, to clarify  I use her merely to point out the subjectiveness of beauty.

Not magazines, objective research, and of course deviations can be accounted for in numerous ways. If there were no objective standard the differentiated salaries would not exist for example. Society runs on biologically established norms and individual preference is just a subset within those norms. Will some people deviate in their sexual preferences from established norms? Sure, but there are many factors that could contribute to those deviations, so a man who like truly massive breasts simply corresponds to an established norm in an exaggerated way.

You sound a bit like a broken record now.... So I guess I can too..... there are NO objectives when it comes to beauty... regardless of research, you cannot research what humans find attractive.... 
And btw the women you talk about... make up about 1% of the population. I guess the rest of us are SOL then?? Hmmmm? 
You provide a flimsy disclaimer by using the word *deviation*, but it is just a sticking plaster for the flaw in your argument 

[Stardusk78]

JeffZero wrote...

And then again, there are several women in this very thread who prefer Kaidan's physicality over Jacob's. And I can bet you bottom dollar both my current girlfriend and my previous girlfriend would certainly feel similar. As for the girlfriend before that, well, let's just say she's more of an Anderson kind of woman.

And yet Kaidan isn't as built as Jacob. And Anderson is pushing 50.

By your own account you recognize the potential for permutation, but it is either a more recurring thing than you believe or you're simply searching for more fuel to light the anti-VS blaze. I'm not sure which is the case but I can't currently see it as being neither.

Lastly, as a bonus example, Miranda is in many ways modeled after your psychological tendencies of evolutionary desire you listed. That said, while I highly enjoy her character, she is entirely too curvy for me. Were she a real person I would not be interested from a hardware perspective.

Just another example. The woman is definitely built for child-bearing, but (and barring of course the irrelevant fact that she can't in fact produce offspring anyway) seeing as how kids aren't for me I guess I've disabled that heavily-researched prerogative or something because I don't actually find that degree of curvature attractive.

Pleeeenty of room for deviations.

Yet you do not deny the existence of such standards and the reasons for their existence?

[Jenova65]

Ravensword wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...
Whatever's clever.

Erm neither.... I didn't realise we trying to be smart 

Oh, you.

No. You 

[DonutsDealer]

The answer is: Why do you hate the VS so much?

[Ravensword]

Jenova65 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...
Whatever's clever.

Erm neither.... I didn't realise we trying to be smart 

Oh, you.

No. You 

It's all you.

[Bekkael]

IsaacShep wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

I do love the Kaidan Fanboys.

So do I.

We love you too gorls

JeffZero wrote... And then again, there are several women in this very thread who prefer Kaidan's physicality over Jacob's.

Very true. Understated is often preferable to in-your-face. Although, as I said before, it's the character's personality I fell for first and foremost. Kaidan being hot is just an added bonus.

[C9316]

Stardusk78 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

The answer is obviously Talimancers, last time I checked I don't remember anyone else trying to figure out what their character's sweat tasted like...

Do you have evidence of this?

Long live the Independents!

Thundertactics wrote...

A while ago, I created thesis on Clan Zorah regarding quarian sweat, etc. I'll post it here with some post-scriptum edits and abridging, it was created over the course of approximately 40 minutes. In several posts.

It started off as an analysis of Tali's sweat, trying to figure out what it'd smell and taste like. I quickly realised that most scents originate from bacteria, which would be minimal to non-existant for quarians.
The next best thing, would be urea. Urea is essential for the metabolism of mammals, and also a bonding agent (For say, p-cresol and o-cresol, two odor chemicals found in sweat. Though these likely aren't available to quarians), and it, and residues of the amino acids and chemicals used in its production are excreted through many different ways. Urine, sweat, etc.
This thesis assumes quarians are anything like mammals back on earth and have a digestive system at least remotely similar to theirs.

---

One of the main components of sweat, urea, is not affected by chirality, it cannot have a mirrored/dextro version:

The scent it is associated with is derrived from residues of ammonia excreted along with it, which is a by-product of the production of urea.

Now, here's the deal, urea requires a ton of amino acids in order to be produced (levo amino acids, obviously), a short summary from Wikipedia:

Wikipedia wrote...

Urea is synthesized in the body of many organisms as part of the urea cycle, either from the oxidation of amino acids or from ammonia. In this cycle, amino groups donated by ammonia and L-aspartate are converted to urea, while L-ornithine, citrulline, L-argininosuccinate, and L-arginine act as intermediates

Hence, this could result in a significantly different smell and composure of both her sweat, and other urea based excretions.

The urea cycle:


You see that "Arg" thing right below Urea on the urea cycle? Yeah, it stands for L-Arginine, you can get the dextro version through a largely similar cycle. It's an extremely mild neuro-toxic, pretty much a relaxing drug, a depressant, though excessive usage would actually result in additional stimulations, a stimulant.

A member of Clan Zorah, Troodon80, claims to have had personal experience with the substance as a depressant, and states that it is, in fact, addictive.

Additionally, the dextro version of "Asp" (stands for L-Aspartate), in order for it to be soluble like it's levo counterpart, it would likely bond with sodium, resulting in Sodium D-Aspartate, which is a natural performance enhancer [2], it massively increases the human body's production of testostorone, also resulting in an increased libido.

Finally, Orn, stands for L-ornithine. This amino acid allows for the disposal of excess nitrogen.
Dextro version of this is largely similar in role, except for the fact that it is far more prone to create a hydrogen bond. (Including with molecules like ammonia, NH3)
Hence, it would demobilize the ammonia and eliminate the odor eminated from the production of urea to quite an extent.

So, so far, we can tell that Tali would not smell nearly as bad as those filthy humans, her sweat's a drug and a natural performance enhancer.

As for additional odors , that would be determined by MHC's and pheromones, which are too large and complex to even consider estimating with the limited knowledge we have at this time. Though the production of MHC's is also a key component of our immunesystem, so they might be considerably less common for quarians. (They might even have something completely different altogether)is time. Though the production of MHC's is also a key component of our immunesystem, so they might be considerably less common for quarians. (They might even have something completely different altogether)
---

Remember, this is largely speculation, and I am by no means an expert, merely an enthusiastic amateur, so if you think there's anything you can change or debunk of my theory, be my guest. I'd be eager to learn.

But if you do agree, here's a question for ya': Licking Tali or licking Thane? >_>

[CptData]

Interesting. Now we're talking about male and female bodies and why men feel attracted to certain types of women and vice versa.

Must say, I'm neither tall nor ripped. I still got my girlfriend. So guess looks isn't everything ... ^^

[Stardusk78]

Jenova65 wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Superior to women (and gay dudes and so on) who like their men more toned. Inferior to those with differing tastes, of which there are just as many as there are among us straight guys, y'know.

There are objective beauty parameters for both females and males as this has been extensively researched in evolutionary biology and psychology.

For men, tall, broad shoulders, muscular (degree varies), large penis, symmetrical face

For women, large breasts (degree varies), slim, soft, blemish free skin, proper female curves indicative of fertility, symmetrical face

These are archetypes all people adhere to but due to limited accessibility both for themselves and the rarity of a perfect combination of such features, compromises are always made and within any standard there are always deviations.

OK........... NO. Just no......... Please, you are being silly now... 
There are NO *objective* parameters of beauty. Are you seriously suggesting that beauty has been catagorically defined?? You are the victim of reading too many magazines if you think that...
You can research it until hell freezes over, but I can clear that up for you right now... Beauty, wait for it... is in the eye of the beholder, in the same way that you may hear Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata and think it is rubbish and I could listen to it and cry at what I hear as its beauty  The same goes for people, I love hazel eyes, but I also love grey eyes. I like dark haired men, but I also like blonds. Muscles are OK, I don't mind thin men either, I also think there is nothing nicer than having a man who is a big bear.. they are the warm and comfy ones who will keep you satisfied... 
I know there are millions of people who would disagree, but guess what, there are millions who would agree also... 
Are you a Liara fan?? She's f*cking blue, with tentacles you know.... *objectively* she fails... big time... but yet.. oh wait, she doesn't. Because beauty is subjective that fact is the only objective thing here. 
I love Liara btw, to clarify  I use her merely to point out the subjectiveness of beauty.

Not magazines, objective research, and of course deviations can be accounted for in numerous ways. If there were no objective standard the differentiated salaries would not exist for example. Society runs on biologically established norms and individual preference is just a subset within those norms. Will some people deviate in their sexual preferences from established norms? Sure, but there are many factors that could contribute to those deviations, so a man who like truly massive breasts simply corresponds to an established norm in an exaggerated way.

You sound a bit like a broken record now.... So I guess I can too..... there are NO objectives when it comes to beauty... regardless of research, you cannot research what humans find attractive.... 
And btw the women you talk about... make up about 1% of the population. I guess the rest of us are SOL then?? Hmmmm? 
You provide a flimsy disclaimer by using the word *deviation*, but it is just a sticking plaster for the flaw in your argument 

Facial symmetry is an objective trait, only an incredibly small subset of the population would prefer someone with an asymmetrical face to a symmetrical one. And you clearly missed my point, most of us do NOT fit established biological standards of beauty so we tend to settle for less or that which we can acquire because the best 'cuts of meat' are beyond our reach.

[GMagnum]

aye lemme com in n end dis thred tbh

beuty is n da eye of da beholdr
/thred tbh

[Jenova65]

Ravensword wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...
Whatever's clever.

Erm neither.... I didn't realise we trying to be smart 

Oh, you.

No. You 

It's all you.

It is?? Well, shucks.. and I haven't even done my hair today.... 

[Stardusk78]

CptData wrote...

Interesting. Now we're talking about male and female bodies and why men feel attracted to certain types of women and vice versa.

Must say, I'm neither tall nor ripped. I still got my girlfriend. So guess looks isn't everything ... ^^

You are absolutely correct. Earning capacity is far more important as an objective criterion to women than physical looks are. The opposite is true of men. If you are stable and have a good job it is likely more valuable than merely being handsome but to be both would be best.

[JeffZero]

@Stardusk

No, of course not. They exist for a reason. But as with most things, it is humanity's modus operandi to become so diverse as to be a symphony of disharmony, and so there is limited practical application in referencing these biological norms in any crowd of free-thinking men and women. There is some rationale for addressing it but it can only take any argument so far. That's all.

[Stardusk78]

C9316 wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

The answer is obviously Talimancers, last time I checked I don't remember anyone else trying to figure out what their character's sweat tasted like...

Do you have evidence of this?

Long live the Independents!

Thundertactics wrote...

A while ago, I created thesis on Clan Zorah regarding quarian sweat, etc. I'll post it here with some post-scriptum edits and abridging, it was created over the course of approximately 40 minutes. In several posts.

It started off as an analysis of Tali's sweat, trying to figure out what it'd smell and taste like. I quickly realised that most scents originate from bacteria, which would be minimal to non-existant for quarians.
The next best thing, would be urea. Urea is essential for the metabolism of mammals, and also a bonding agent (For say, p-cresol and o-cresol, two odor chemicals found in sweat. Though these likely aren't available to quarians), and it, and residues of the amino acids and chemicals used in its production are excreted through many different ways. Urine, sweat, etc.
This thesis assumes quarians are anything like mammals back on earth and have a digestive system at least remotely similar to theirs.

---

One of the main components of sweat, urea, is not affected by chirality, it cannot have a mirrored/dextro version:

The scent it is associated with is derrived from residues of ammonia excreted along with it, which is a by-product of the production of urea.

Now, here's the deal, urea requires a ton of amino acids in order to be produced (levo amino acids, obviously), a short summary from Wikipedia:

Wikipedia wrote...

Urea is synthesized in the body of many organisms as part of the urea cycle, either from the oxidation of amino acids or from ammonia. In this cycle, amino groups donated by ammonia and L-aspartate are converted to urea, while L-ornithine, citrulline, L-argininosuccinate, and L-arginine act as intermediates

Hence, this could result in a significantly different smell and composure of both her sweat, and other urea based excretions.

The urea cycle:


You see that "Arg" thing right below Urea on the urea cycle? Yeah, it stands for L-Arginine, you can get the dextro version through a largely similar cycle. It's an extremely mild neuro-toxic, pretty much a relaxing drug, a depressant, though excessive usage would actually result in additional stimulations, a stimulant.

A member of Clan Zorah, Troodon80, claims to have had personal experience with the substance as a depressant, and states that it is, in fact, addictive.

Additionally, the dextro version of "Asp" (stands for L-Aspartate), in order for it to be soluble like it's levo counterpart, it would likely bond with sodium, resulting in Sodium D-Aspartate, which is a natural performance enhancer [2], it massively increases the human body's production of testostorone, also resulting in an increased libido.

Finally, Orn, stands for L-ornithine. This amino acid allows for the disposal of excess nitrogen.
Dextro version of this is largely similar in role, except for the fact that it is far more prone to create a hydrogen bond. (Including with molecules like ammonia, NH3)
Hence, it would demobilize the ammonia and eliminate the odor eminated from the production of urea to quite an extent.

So, so far, we can tell that Tali would not smell nearly as bad as those filthy humans, her sweat's a drug and a natural performance enhancer.

As for additional odors , that would be determined by MHC's and pheromones, which are too large and complex to even consider estimating with the limited knowledge we have at this time. Though the production of MHC's is also a key component of our immunesystem, so they might be considerably less common for quarians. (They might even have something completely different altogether)is time. Though the production of MHC's is also a key component of our immunesystem, so they might be considerably less common for quarians. (They might even have something completely different altogether)
---

Remember, this is largely speculation, and I am by no means an expert, merely an enthusiastic amateur, so if you think there's anything you can change or debunk of my theory, be my guest. I'd be eager to learn.

But if you do agree, here's a question for ya': Licking Tali or licking Thane? >_>

That is hardcore.

[Ravensword]

Jenova65 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...
Whatever's clever.

Erm neither.... I didn't realise we trying to be smart 

Oh, you.

No. You 

It's all you.

It is?? Well, shucks.. and I haven't even done my hair today.... 

Amazing, isn't it?

[JeffZero]

You know, Jenova, I tend to picture you as, well, Jenova, from FFVII. Imagining her doing her hair up is, well.

Amusing.

[Jenova65]

Stardusk78 wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Superior to women (and gay dudes and so on) who like their men more toned. Inferior to those with differing tastes, of which there are just as many as there are among us straight guys, y'know.

There are objective beauty parameters for both females and males as this has been extensively researched in evolutionary biology and psychology.

For men, tall, broad shoulders, muscular (degree varies), large penis, symmetrical face

For women, large breasts (degree varies), slim, soft, blemish free skin, proper female curves indicative of fertility, symmetrical face

These are archetypes all people adhere to but due to limited accessibility both for themselves and the rarity of a perfect combination of such features, compromises are always made and within any standard there are always deviations.

OK........... NO. Just no......... Please, you are being silly now... 
There are NO *objective* parameters of beauty. Are you seriously suggesting that beauty has been catagorically defined?? You are the victim of reading too many magazines if you think that...
You can research it until hell freezes over, but I can clear that up for you right now... Beauty, wait for it... is in the eye of the beholder, in the same way that you may hear Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata and think it is rubbish and I could listen to it and cry at what I hear as its beauty  The same goes for people, I love hazel eyes, but I also love grey eyes. I like dark haired men, but I also like blonds. Muscles are OK, I don't mind thin men either, I also think there is nothing nicer than having a man who is a big bear.. they are the warm and comfy ones who will keep you satisfied... 
I know there are millions of people who would disagree, but guess what, there are millions who would agree also... 
Are you a Liara fan?? She's f*cking blue, with tentacles you know.... *objectively* she fails... big time... but yet.. oh wait, she doesn't. Because beauty is subjective that fact is the only objective thing here. 
I love Liara btw, to clarify  I use her merely to point out the subjectiveness of beauty.

Not magazines, objective research, and of course deviations can be accounted for in numerous ways. If there were no objective standard the differentiated salaries would not exist for example. Society runs on biologically established norms and individual preference is just a subset within those norms. Will some people deviate in their sexual preferences from established norms? Sure, but there are many factors that could contribute to those deviations, so a man who like truly massive breasts simply corresponds to an established norm in an exaggerated way.

You sound a bit like a broken record now.... So I guess I can too..... there are NO objectives when it comes to beauty... regardless of research, you cannot research what humans find attractive.... 
And btw the women you talk about... make up about 1% of the population. I guess the rest of us are SOL then?? Hmmmm? 
You provide a flimsy disclaimer by using the word *deviation*, but it is just a sticking plaster for the flaw in your argument 

Facial symmetry is an objective trait, only an incredibly small subset of the population would prefer someone with an asymmetrical face to a symmetrical one. And you clearly missed my point, most of us do NOT fit established biological standards of beauty so we tend to settle for less or that which we can acquire because the best 'cuts of meat' are beyond our reach.

Firstly... that speaks more of your insecurity than anything.... Secondly we are going round in circles... there are no established biological standards of beauty because humans are fickle and one person can change their mind on beauty from one day to the next... So all that research is just tomorrow's chip paper.... 
The important thing to remember is this... the *facts*, such as they are (and I like Jacob, plenty, I do) prove that more people like Kaidan than Jacob so that chucks a spanner in the works anyway....
We can continue arguing the point, but it is a little boring now, no?? I know I'm bored.... 
Different people like different things, you say.... ?
Colour me confused, as my mum used to say ''It wouldn't do for us all to be alike'' 

[Bekkael]

C9316 wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

The answer is obviously Talimancers, last time I checked I don't remember anyone else trying to figure out what their character's sweat tasted like...

Do you have evidence of this?

Long live the Independents!

Thundertactics wrote...

A while ago, I created thesis on Clan Zorah regarding quarian sweat, etc. I'll post it here with some post-scriptum edits and abridging, it was created over the course of approximately 40 minutes. In several posts.

It started off as an analysis of Tali's sweat, trying to figure out what it'd smell and taste like. I quickly realised that most scents originate from bacteria, which would be minimal to non-existant for quarians.
The next best thing, would be urea. Urea is essential for the metabolism of mammals, and also a bonding agent (For say, p-cresol and o-cresol, two odor chemicals found in sweat. Though these likely aren't available to quarians), and it, and residues of the amino acids and chemicals used in its production are excreted through many different ways. Urine, sweat, etc.
This thesis assumes quarians are anything like mammals back on earth and have a digestive system at least remotely similar to theirs.

---

One of the main components of sweat, urea, is not affected by chirality, it cannot have a mirrored/dextro version:

The scent it is associated with is derrived from residues of ammonia excreted along with it, which is a by-product of the production of urea.

Now, here's the deal, urea requires a ton of amino acids in order to be produced (levo amino acids, obviously), a short summary from Wikipedia:

Wikipedia wrote...

Urea is synthesized in the body of many organisms as part of the urea cycle, either from the oxidation of amino acids or from ammonia. In this cycle, amino groups donated by ammonia and L-aspartate are converted to urea, while L-ornithine, citrulline, L-argininosuccinate, and L-arginine act as intermediates

Hence, this could result in a significantly different smell and composure of both her sweat, and other urea based excretions.

The urea cycle:


You see that "Arg" thing right below Urea on the urea cycle? Yeah, it stands for L-Arginine, you can get the dextro version through a largely similar cycle. It's an extremely mild neuro-toxic, pretty much a relaxing drug, a depressant, though excessive usage would actually result in additional stimulations, a stimulant.

A member of Clan Zorah, Troodon80, claims to have had personal experience with the substance as a depressant, and states that it is, in fact, addictive.

Additionally, the dextro version of "Asp" (stands for L-Aspartate), in order for it to be soluble like it's levo counterpart, it would likely bond with sodium, resulting in Sodium D-Aspartate, which is a natural performance enhancer [2], it massively increases the human body's production of testostorone, also resulting in an increased libido.

Finally, Orn, stands for L-ornithine. This amino acid allows for the disposal of excess nitrogen.
Dextro version of this is largely similar in role, except for the fact that it is far more prone to create a hydrogen bond. (Including with molecules like ammonia, NH3)
Hence, it would demobilize the ammonia and eliminate the odor eminated from the production of urea to quite an extent.

So, so far, we can tell that Tali would not smell nearly as bad as those filthy humans, her sweat's a drug and a natural performance enhancer.

As for additional odors , that would be determined by MHC's and pheromones, which are too large and complex to even consider estimating with the limited knowledge we have at this time. Though the production of MHC's is also a key component of our immunesystem, so they might be considerably less common for quarians. (They might even have something completely different altogether)is time. Though the production of MHC's is also a key component of our immunesystem, so they might be considerably less common for quarians. (They might even have something completely different altogether)
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Remember, this is largely speculation, and I am by no means an expert, merely an enthusiastic amateur, so if you think there's anything you can change or debunk of my theory, be my guest. I'd be eager to learn.

But if you do agree, here's a question for ya': Licking Tali or licking Thane? >_>

I thought writing fan fiction and creating fan art were extreme levels of fan devotion. I stand corrected. And mildly terrified.