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[MichaelFinnegan]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

MichaelFinnegan wrote...


My question wasn't necessarily about how one learns blood magic, but about whether or not a demon is required to do blood magic. It may be something such as a mage offers her blood and the demon gives the magic in return - a sort of a deal, a favor for a favor.

Ah.

No that doesn't seem to be the case. Blood magic uses blood in place of mana. It isn't a "you scratch my back" type of deal with a demon.

Merrill used blood magic for 7 years without requiring the aid of a demon, as by Act 3 she needs to re-establish contact with Audacity. She had only dealt with him 3 times in the past.

I think Merrill took the demon's help only to the extent that she thought was necessary. At least, she tried other alternatives to fix the mirror, in that she tried to use the tool borrowed from the Keeper, which didn't fix the mirror. There is no clear indication that she was using or even needed blood magic all the time. Just that, at points where she thought she couldn't get past, she considered the demon's help - as at the end, after several failed attempts to fix the mirror, when she decided to take Hawke along to confront the demon; or at the beginning where she (Hawke and party also) needed to get past the magical barrier on Mt. Sundermount.

Well, the Warden Joining is somehow different, I think. It may be a sort of blood magic, true, but somehow the taint in the darkspawn/archdemon blood seems to be the source of magic - if that makes sense. Or perhaps the taint is merely a source of power; similar to way the blood of the (high?) dragon that made the Reavers stronger (at least the way it was shown in DA:O).

Indeed. While a slightly different form of blood magic, it's still blood magic all the same because it uses blood for the drinker to gain certain abillities.

I believe the taint and Darkspawn blood are pretty much a joint item. The taint sustains the Darkspawn, and it's an inherent quality in their blood.

That said, Avernus is working on refining the Joining to make it so that people don't die as easily during the Joining. He's trying to refine it to the point where the power is gained and death is less of an issue.

Which makes me wonder what it is he discovered if he was allowed to continue his research.

It's all too secretive. Makes my nose twitch.

Let's just hope you won't have to endure the twitch for too long.

[dragonflight288]

Or they are like Connor, making deals to try and help one other person, like Arl Eamon, without knowledge or training, making an easy target for demons.

David Gaider said once that powerful demons are attracted to powerful mages. And it's not just magical power either. Political power is a factor. And since Connor was the son of a powerful Arl, his lack of magical knowledge and training made him a prime candidate for a desire demon.

EDIT: Not a lot of in-game evidence, in fact no in-game evidence supports that mages spontaneously combust into abominations. That girl in Act 1 doesn't count because we don't have enough data to say she wasn't an abomination before they threatened to cut off her hands.

Modifié par dragonflight288, 26 janvier 2012 - 06:35 .

[MichaelFinnegan]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

During her second meeting with the demon -- first was with Marethari in the short story -- she learned blood magic so as to amplify the healing magic Marethari had already taught her -- as established in DAO.

I think I missed this in DA:O. So she learnt blood magic during DA:O itself? Hmm. And here I was under the impression that one couldn't use blood magic to heal.

After that, she cut off all contact with Audacity as she basically had what she needed. It isn't until she hit an impasse seven years later and couldn't find any more notes or lore that she said "My only other option is to start talking with him again."

Yes, this is what I think also.

EDIT: It's my belief that the reason why mages get possessed is because they let their guard down due to becoming arrogant with power, and the games support this belief of mine.

It's a belief I also share. However, blood magic is still a mystery to me.

[TEWR]

MichaelFinnegan wrote...

I think I missed this in DA:O. So she learnt blood magic during DA:O itself? Hmm. And here I was under the impression that one couldn't use blood magic to heal.

no no no. She learned Marethari's healing magic prior to DAO, and we were told that in DAO. The blood magic she learned from Audacity at Sundermount was used to amplify the power of that type of healing magic, since it was able to combat the taint in Mahariel in its unamplified form.

As for blood magic, it's partially about the manipulation of blood so one could manipulate blood in a person with a severed artery to keep him alive.

Also, one of the darker and more gruesome blood magic spells is Sacrifice, where a blood mage uses the blood of an ally or foe to heal his own wounds.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 26 janvier 2012 - 06:41 .

[MichaelFinnegan]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Or they are like Connor, making deals to try and help one other person, like Arl Eamon, without knowledge or training, making an easy target for demons.

David Gaider said once that powerful demons are attracted to powerful mages. And it's not just magical power either. Political power is a factor. And since Connor was the son of a powerful Arl, his lack of magical knowledge and training made him a prime candidate for a desire demon.

Yes, I remember this. But I haven't seen David Gaider saying anything about it. It was actually John Epler, and it was here and here.

EDIT: Not a lot of in-game evidence, in fact no in-game evidence supports that mages spontaneously combust into abominations. That girl in Act 1 doesn't count because we don't have enough data to say she wasn't an abomination before they threatened to cut off her hands.

Yes, it's not quite as instantaneous, I'd assume. But I'd say the game somewhat shows this instantaneous nature, esp. during combat situations - which is precisely why combat isn't indicative of the exact nature of possession, I think; they don't show the full context.

[MichaelFinnegan]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

MichaelFinnegan wrote...

I think I missed this in DA:O. So she learnt blood magic during DA:O itself? Hmm. And here I was under the impression that one couldn't use blood magic to heal.

no no no. She learned Marethari's healing magic prior to DAO, and we were told that in DAO. The blood magic she learned from Audacity at Sundermount was used to amplify the power of that type of healing magic, since it was able to combat the taint in Mahariel in its unamplified form.

Alrighty, then. I misunderstood. I have still missed that part in DA:O, having never played a Dalish Elf origin.

As for blood magic, it's partially about the manipulation of blood so one could manipulate blood in a person with a severed artery to keep him alive.

But do we know this for sure? Have we seen it used anywhere?

Also, one of the darker and more gruesome blood magic spells is Sacrifice, where a blood mage uses the blood of an ally or foe to heal his own wounds.

Or power his spells. Now I'm wondering where I seem to gotten the impression that blood magic and healing magic are mutually exclusive. Strange.

[TEWR]

But do we know this for sure? Have we seen it used anywhere?

In use? Not that I recall. But various blood magic abilities talk about manipulating blood flow for certain purposes appropriate to each spell. So logically one would assume that if you can manipulate blood flow for sinister means you can also use it for beneficial means.

We just haven't seen a blood mage use blood magic for the benign manipulation of blood that I know of.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 26 janvier 2012 - 08:22 .

[CrimsonZephyr]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

But do we know this for sure? Have we seen it used anywhere?

In use? Not that I recall. But various blood magic abilities talk about manipulating blood for certain purposes appropriate to each spell. So logically one would assume that if you can manipulate blood for sinister means you can also use it for benign means.

We just haven't seen a blood mage use blood magic for the benign manipulation of blood that I know of.

You know, manipulating blood flow could simply be done, without the creepy demon connections or mind control, with Force Magic, seeing as blood flow is about pressure and gravity. So it's not like there aren't theoretical alternatives.

[TEWR]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

But do we know this for sure? Have we seen it used anywhere?

In use? Not that I recall. But various blood magic abilities talk about manipulating blood for certain purposes appropriate to each spell. So logically one would assume that if you can manipulate blood for sinister means you can also use it for benign means.

We just haven't seen a blood mage use blood magic for the benign manipulation of blood that I know of.

You know, manipulating blood flow could simply be done, without the creepy demon connections or mind control, with Force Magic, seeing as blood flow is about pressure and gravity. So it's not like there aren't theoretical alternatives.

I remember you said that a few pages back, though I'm not sure how Force Magic could help. I don't know a whole lot about space and gravity.

That's more the forte of one of my friends.

I'm assuming it's something as simple as the gravity pressure would just keep the blood from flying out all over the place.

[MichaelFinnegan]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

But do we know this for sure? Have we seen it used anywhere?

In use? Not that I recall. But various blood magic abilities talk about manipulating blood for certain purposes appropriate to each spell. So logically one would assume that if you can manipulate blood for sinister means you can also use it for benign means.

We just haven't seen a blood mage use blood magic for the benign manipulation of blood that I know of.

I remember this as a more sinister application of blood magic; the only thing as far as I remember that even remotely explains anything related to blood magic. But nevertheless you have a point. I think we may need to head to Tevinter to unravel some of these mysteries and get our questions answered.

[Plaintiff]

Lazy Jer wrote...

If you distance yourself from the emotional response to the term "terrorism" then I don't see how you can doubt that Anders committed a terrorist act.

Fact 1: Anders is not a part of any officially recognized government (the City of Kirkwall, Ferelden, Orlais).

Fact 2: He was acting on his own behalf rather then on behalf of any such agency.

Fact 2: He hit the Chantry Building because he wanted to effect a political change, i.e. he wanted to end the possiblity of comprimse between The Circle of Magi and The Templar Order.  If he had only wanted to destroy the Chantry Buliding because he was in a cruddy mood then it wouldn't be terrorism, it would be arson.

Thus, if the Viscount had sent his Seneshal to blow up the Chantry it would tend away from terrorism and tend towards an official act of war because he's acting on behalf of a government.  If the Coatry had sent Becker to blow up the chantry as a distraction to allow them to rob some big governmental target it would tend towards arson rathern then terrorism because it's intend isn't to effect political or socialogical change.

But since Anders, who isn't part of any official governental organization is blowing up The Chantry Building because he's trying to effect a sociological change (create war between the Templar Order and the Circle of Magi) then tends very flippin' much towards terrorism.

Lastly, I'm pulling the definitions of terrorism from my own general assesments rather then the dictionary definition.  Judging by the dictionary definition I found on Websters Website (referenced in page 13) then knight commander meredeth is also a terrorist.

Government actions can't count as terrorism? Since when?

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

But do we know this for sure? Have we seen it used anywhere?

In use? Not that I recall. But various blood magic abilities talk about manipulating blood for certain purposes appropriate to each spell. So logically one would assume that if you can manipulate blood for sinister means you can also use it for benign means.

We just haven't seen a blood mage use blood magic for the benign manipulation of blood that I know of.

You know, manipulating blood flow could simply be done, without the creepy demon connections or mind control, with Force Magic, seeing as blood flow is about pressure and gravity. So it's not like there aren't theoretical alternatives.

I remember you said that a few pages back, though I'm not sure how Force Magic could help. I don't know a whole lot about space and gravity.

That's more the forte of one of my friends.

I'm assuming it's something as simple as the gravity pressure would just keep the blood from flying out all over the place.

A torn artery can be patched with a simple tissue and belt. You'd still need intensive medical care, and fast, but at least you wouldn't die within a few minutes. Blood magic isn't needed for that, when much simpler, and safer, solutions are readily available.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Plaintiff wrote...

Lazy Jer wrote...

If you distance yourself from the emotional response to the term "terrorism" then I don't see how you can doubt that Anders committed a terrorist act.

Fact 1: Anders is not a part of any officially recognized government (the City of Kirkwall, Ferelden, Orlais).

Fact 2: He was acting on his own behalf rather then on behalf of any such agency.

Fact 2: He hit the Chantry Building because he wanted to effect a political change, i.e. he wanted to end the possiblity of comprimse between The Circle of Magi and The Templar Order.  If he had only wanted to destroy the Chantry Buliding because he was in a cruddy mood then it wouldn't be terrorism, it would be arson.

Thus, if the Viscount had sent his Seneshal to blow up the Chantry it would tend away from terrorism and tend towards an official act of war because he's acting on behalf of a government.  If the Coatry had sent Becker to blow up the chantry as a distraction to allow them to rob some big governmental target it would tend towards arson rathern then terrorism because it's intend isn't to effect political or socialogical change.

But since Anders, who isn't part of any official governental organization is blowing up The Chantry Building because he's trying to effect a sociological change (create war between the Templar Order and the Circle of Magi) then tends very flippin' much towards terrorism.

Lastly, I'm pulling the definitions of terrorism from my own general assesments rather then the dictionary definition.  Judging by the dictionary definition I found on Websters Website (referenced in page 13) then knight commander meredeth is also a terrorist.

Government actions can't count as terrorism? Since when?

Usually if a government does something that can be constituted as terror, the fact that it is a government responsible, will often "upgrade" the charge to a war crime. I suppose some covert operations from a government can be classified as terrorism, though a government will never admit any knowledge of the act, and such can't be charged with responsibility.

[TEWR]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

A torn artery can be patched with a simple tissue and belt. You'd still need intensive medical care, and fast, but at least you wouldn't die within a few minutes. Blood magic isn't needed for that, when much simpler, and safer, solutions are readily available.

Key word: fast. You would need to begin operating on the wounded person within a very quick window before they die.

What I was saying wasn't that blood magic can heal such a wound -- as that is something I don't know -- but that blood magic can keep the man from dying from his wounds until he can be operated on.

And if Force Magic could do the same thing, great! But then one would have to acknowledge that blood magic isn't evil like it's made out to be if it can in fact be used for beneficial purposes.

And given the choice between the two, blood magic seems to be the better option. Because unless the Force Mage has a ****load of lyrium on hand, he better hope that the surgeon comes in and operates on the wounded person quickly because he'll grow tired real fast.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 26 janvier 2012 - 02:37 .

[Lazy Jer]

Plaintiff wrote...

Lazy Jer wrote...

If you distance yourself from the emotional response to the term "terrorism" then I don't see how you can doubt that Anders committed a terrorist act.

Fact 1: Anders is not a part of any officially recognized government (the City of Kirkwall, Ferelden, Orlais).

Fact 2: He was acting on his own behalf rather then on behalf of any such agency.

Fact 2: He hit the Chantry Building because he wanted to effect a political change, i.e. he wanted to end the possiblity of comprimse between The Circle of Magi and The Templar Order.  If he had only wanted to destroy the Chantry Buliding because he was in a cruddy mood then it wouldn't be terrorism, it would be arson.

Thus, if the Viscount had sent his Seneshal to blow up the Chantry it would tend away from terrorism and tend towards an official act of war because he's acting on behalf of a government.  If the Coatry had sent Becker to blow up the chantry as a distraction to allow them to rob some big governmental target it would tend towards arson rathern then terrorism because it's intend isn't to effect political or socialogical change.

But since Anders, who isn't part of any official governental organization is blowing up The Chantry Building because he's trying to effect a sociological change (create war between the Templar Order and the Circle of Magi) then tends very flippin' much towards terrorism.

Lastly, I'm pulling the definitions of terrorism from my own general assesments rather then the dictionary definition.  Judging by the dictionary definition I found on Websters Website (referenced in page 13) then knight commander meredeth is also a terrorist.

Government actions can't count as terrorism? Since when?

*sigh* (muttering to self) Be civil, Jer.  Be civil, Jer. Be civil, Jer.

(Outloud) Well...to respond to your question...which in itself was a response perhaps less then 10% of my comments...The actions of governments can be considered terrorism in the right circumstances.  This is where the previously mentioned subjects of declarations of war and deliberate hitting of civillian targets comes into play. 
My point in bringing up that Anders wasn't a government agent of any kind was to point out that it doesn't matter if he made any official declarations of war or whether the building he hit was civililian or not.  He was acting on his own in representation of his own ideals.  He wasn't even representing the Circle of Magi in an official capacity.

I'm not going to get into the ways in which a government's actions could be considered terrorism because they're irrelvevant to the conversation.

Modifié par Lazy Jer, 26 janvier 2012 - 03:33 .

[CrimsonZephyr]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

A torn artery can be patched with a simple tissue and belt. You'd still need intensive medical care, and fast, but at least you wouldn't die within a few minutes. Blood magic isn't needed for that, when much simpler, and safer, solutions are readily available.

Key word: fast. You would need to begin operating on the wounded person within a very quick window before they die.

What I was saying wasn't that blood magic can heal such a wound -- as that is something I don't know -- but that blood magic can keep the man from dying from his wounds until he can be operated on.

And if Force Magic could do the same thing, great! But then one would have to acknowledge that blood magic isn't evil like it's made out to be if it can in fact be used for beneficial purposes.

And given the choice between the two, blood magic seems to be the better option. Because unless the Force Mage has a ****load of lyrium on hand, he better hope that the surgeon comes in and operates on the wounded person quickly because he'll grow tired real fast.

Eh, debatable. Healing magic, while difficult to learn, can bring people back from "seriously injured" to "fighting fit" pretty fast. Force Magic, for the same amount of magical exertion, can change gravity over a forty foot radius. Now, imagine scaling down, say, gravitic ring so that, instead of affecting a city square, it affects only a half inch cross-section. Less area, less exertion, so theoretically, a ****-load of lyrium would not be required. In fact, using blood magic might actually be the more impractical option. Spilling out gallons of blood would harm the caster, after all, and it would be a very poor thing if the mage went into shock midway through "healing" someone.

I think you overestimate blood magic as a possible solution in an effort to find a truly utilitarian use for it divorced from the usual creepiness.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

A torn artery can be patched with a simple tissue and belt. You'd still need intensive medical care, and fast, but at least you wouldn't die within a few minutes. Blood magic isn't needed for that, when much simpler, and safer, solutions are readily available.

Key word: fast. You would need to begin operating on the wounded person within a very quick window before they die.

What I was saying wasn't that blood magic can heal such a wound -- as that is something I don't know -- but that blood magic can keep the man from dying from his wounds until he can be operated on.

And if Force Magic could do the same thing, great! But then one would have to acknowledge that blood magic isn't evil like it's made out to be if it can in fact be used for beneficial purposes.

And given the choice between the two, blood magic seems to be the better option. Because unless the Force Mage has a ****load of lyrium on hand, he better hope that the surgeon comes in and operates on the wounded person quickly because he'll grow tired real fast.

Why wouldn't a blood mage become exhausted just as fast? Actually, since if the normal mage is going to become exhausted, there is a good chance tha tthe blood mage will cause serious harm to whoever is kind enough to provide his blood as a powersource, to prevent the bleeding.
And the blood mage will only be able to stop the bleeding (theoretically), but he won't be able to save the leg, unless he knows healing magic, in which case the bloood magic is redundant anyway.
So bottom line: Blood magic is an uneccesary evil, that simply isn't needed in the world of medicine and triage.

[Sylvianus]

nevermind.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 26 janvier 2012 - 07:03 .

[TEWR]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Why wouldn't a blood mage become exhausted just as fast? Actually, since if the normal mage is going to become exhausted, there is a good chance tha tthe blood mage will cause serious harm to whoever is kind enough to provide his blood as a powersource, to prevent the bleeding.

Because blood magic isn't tied to the Fade for its power like Force Magic and every other type of magic is. It's tied to the physical realm. And this particular usage wouldn't require the mage to use his blood or the blood of the wounded person to control the bleeding. He would simply be able to manipulate the blood flow, and so he wouldn't get tired. 

And no, there isn't a good chance the blood mage would get tired. At least not from using the magic. Prolonged use might cause him to get tired if he's standing there for the better half of a day, but that's not the same thing.

And the blood mage will only be able to stop the bleeding (theoretically), but he won't be able to save the leg, unless he knows healing magic, in which case the bloood magic is redundant anyway.
So bottom line: Blood magic is an uneccesary evil, that simply isn't needed in the world of medicine and triage.

Again, I never said he could save the leg. I said that he could keep the man from bleeding. And if he is also a Spirit Healer, then perhaps he can multitask. Use blood magic in one hand to keep the man from bleeding while also using Spirit Healing in the other to heal the wound up.

[frostajulie]

Plaintiff wrote...

Elthina's cowardly failure to act in the face of Meredith's obvious tyranny not just to mages, but all of Kirkwall, makes her just as culpable for the abuses of the Templars as the individuals she is supposed to control. She deserves to die and I'm only sorry she wasn't forced to endure the same amount of suffering as the mages under her care.

Nobody in that Chantry was "innocent". The Chantry, and yes, every member of its clergy, is repsonsible for creating the culture of abuse and bigotry that mages have to endure. The Chantry controls the Templars, it is a military power. The fact that Elthina failed to rein in Meredith doesn't make her 'innocent', it makes her incompetent.

Even if there are innocents in there, why should Anders give a ****? Why should any mage? Why should they care about a world that denies them family, friends, freedom, love, all of the basic things that make life worth living? Why do you expect them to show compassion for others when none is given to them?

Anders is the product of a system that Elthina and the Chantry helped to perpetuate. If you  create a monster, you don't get to complain when it stomps on your house.

I love you.

But now I will read more of this thread:wub:

Princelionheart wrote   "Heal people and then blow up a church just to make a statement such a saint. "

Yeah  A BOONDOCK SAINT:lol:

Modifié par frostajulie, 27 janvier 2012 - 12:29 .

[frostajulie]

frostajulie wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Elthina's cowardly failure to act in the face of Meredith's obvious tyranny not just to mages, but all of Kirkwall, makes her just as culpable for the abuses of the Templars as the individuals she is supposed to control. She deserves to die and I'm only sorry she wasn't forced to endure the same amount of suffering as the mages under her care.

Nobody in that Chantry was "innocent". The Chantry, and yes, every member of its clergy, is repsonsible for creating the culture of abuse and bigotry that mages have to endure. The Chantry controls the Templars, it is a military power. The fact that Elthina failed to rein in Meredith doesn't make her 'innocent', it makes her incompetent.

Even if there are innocents in there, why should Anders give a ****? Why should any mage? Why should they care about a world that denies them family, friends, freedom, love, all of the basic things that make life worth living? Why do you expect them to show compassion for others when none is given to them?

Anders is the product of a system that Elthina and the Chantry helped to perpetuate. If you  create a monster, you don't get to complain when it stomps on your house.

I love you.

But now I will read more of this thread:wub:

Princelionheart wrote   "Heal people and then blow up a church just to make a statement such a saint. "

Yeah  A BOONDOCK SAINT:lol:

Quething said an oppressed people can kill their oppressors but "Never against the innocent. No one ever has right or justification to slaughter innocent bystanders."

I disagree when said bystanders seee the injustice and do nothing.  As you have noticed I am an avid Boondock saints fan because the brothers represent my own moral compass.

To quote one of the greatest movies of all time

"And I am reminded, on this holy day, of the sad story of Kitty Genovese.
As you all may remember, a long time ago, almost thirty years ago, this
poor soul cried out for help time and time again, but no person
answered her calls. Though many saw, no one so much as called the
police. They all just watched as Kitty was being stabbed to death in
broad daylight. They watched as her assailant walked away. Now, we must
all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear
most, and that is the indifference of good men."


You don't get to maintain your innocent status when you see whats wrong and do nothing to stop it.  There were no innocents in Kirkwall just different shades of guilty.

Wow what a thread:o

I really liked Plaintiffs arguments they were very centered on Justice then I noticed his was the 1st Post I quoted and that was the post that made me read the entire thread.  I can't say it better But yeah.. Pure shades of awesomesauce.

Modifié par frostajulie, 27 janvier 2012 - 12:52 .

[DPSSOC]

frostajulie wrote...
Quething said an oppressed people can kill their oppressors but "Never against the innocent. No one ever has right or justification to slaughter innocent bystanders."

I disagree when said bystanders seee the injustice and do nothing.  As you have noticed I am an avid Boondock saints fan because the brothers represent my own moral compass.

To quote one of the greatest movies of all time

"And I am reminded, on this holy day, of the sad story of Kitty Genovese.
As you all may remember, a long time ago, almost thirty years ago, this
poor soul cried out for help time and time again, but no person
answered her calls. Though many saw, no one so much as called the
police. They all just watched as Kitty was being stabbed to death in
broad daylight. They watched as her assailant walked away. Now, we must
all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear
most, and that is the indifference of good men."


You don't get to maintain your innocent status when you see whats wrong and do nothing to stop it.  There were no innocents in Kirkwall just different shades of guilty.

Surely though consideration must be given to capacity.  The quote you mention (awesome movie) is in reference to people who should have acted, could have acted, but didn't.  The average citizenry of Kirkwall, and Thedas at large, were powerless to change how things were run.  The nobility were powerless for crying out loud.  So should the people of Kirkwall have done something about Meredith and the injustices of the Circle in general, perhaps.  Could they, absolutely not.

Not to mention it's difficult to argue that the populace should have done anything, it's hard to say someone is obligated to end the oppression of another so as to ensure their own.

Modifié par DPSSOC, 27 janvier 2012 - 03:45 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Why wouldn't a blood mage become exhausted just as fast? Actually, since if the normal mage is going to become exhausted, there is a good chance tha tthe blood mage will cause serious harm to whoever is kind enough to provide his blood as a powersource, to prevent the bleeding.

Because blood magic isn't tied to the Fade for its power like Force Magic and every other type of magic is. It's tied to the physical realm. And this particular usage wouldn't require the mage to use his blood or the blood of the wounded person to control the bleeding. He would simply be able to manipulate the blood flow, and so he wouldn't get tired. 

And no, there isn't a good chance the blood mage would get tired. At least not from using the magic. Prolonged use might cause him to get tired if he's standing there for the better half of a day, but that's not the same thing.

And the blood mage will only be able to stop the bleeding (theoretically), but he won't be able to save the leg, unless he knows healing magic, in which case the bloood magic is redundant anyway.
So bottom line: Blood magic is an uneccesary evil, that simply isn't needed in the world of medicine and triage.

Again, I never said he could save the leg. I said that he could keep the man from bleeding. And if he is also a Spirit Healer, then perhaps he can multitask. Use blood magic in one hand to keep the man from bleeding while also using Spirit Healing in the other to heal the wound up.

The blood mage would be as reliant on blood, as the normal mage would be reliant on lyrium. A blood amge can't cast his magic without using actual blood instead of mana. And if only he, and the wounded is present, he would have to use either his own, or the wounded's blood to fuel his own magic. Or he could simply use his belt buckle and a tissue and save them both the trouble of bleeding to death.

And as I said. If the mage actually knows healing magic, the blood magic is redundant, as he could simply use his healing magic, to heal any injury the wounded person has suffered, and save him the trouble of risking himself to blood magic.

[Xilizhra]

The blood mage would be as reliant on blood, as the normal mage would be reliant on lyrium. A blood amge can't cast his magic without using actual blood instead of mana.

If this was literally true, blood mages would all die from blood loss rather swiftly. I don't think blood needs to actually be expended, just have magical power drawn from it, that replenishes naturally (and apparently fairly quickly) over time.

And as I said. If the mage actually knows healing magic, the blood magic is redundant, as he could simply use his healing magic, to heal any injury the wounded person has suffered, and save him the trouble of risking himself to blood magic.

One thing that blood magic could do that healing magic couldn't, presumably, was keep a head alive with a soul still inside it while transplanted onto another body. Yes, it was both badly misused and unsustainable, but hints at extremely intriguing possibilities for transplants and the like.

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yep, I agree they are two sides of a coin. They are both fanatics about their polar opposite sides. Much like how facist regimes and communist regimes are very similar despite opposite philosophical views