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[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

Do note that templars, including Cullen and Meredith, have used this exact argument to justify themselves regarding the dangers of mages. Which could lead to something of a confusing experience for someone who had loved ones suffer from both sides.

There's a slight difference between an organization based around shared beliefs and a group of people with a DNA similarity.

Vit246 wrote...

I am so fracking tired of so many ignorant people having this ignorant misconception of the Chantry being this blameless innocent "civilian" thing and the Templars having nothing to do with it.

Amen.

ProneToGlory wrote...

On another note, I believe that Anders was much worse, he made it worse for one with blowing up the chantry, and kill the Grand Cleric, who was actually helping the mages as much as she could.

It truly is incredible that people actually believe Grand Wizard Elthina was doing anything to help. Elthina didn't deserve to be blown up, no. She deserved... do you know what "impaling" is?

Lazy Jer wrote...

I on the other hand am flippin' tired of people whose level of ignorance I shan't go into to avoid being insulting, trying to pin what happened in Kirkwall entirely at the feet of the chantry instead of holding at least equal blame on the Templar Order for setting up a system where one person, the knight-commander, had too much unchecked power and not enough clearly-defined rules about how to handle a situation like Kirkwall.

Because we listened to the part where we're told the Templars are the Chantry's military arm. We were even explicitly told that the Chantry has the Templars by the short-hairs because they control the lyrium supply on the surface. Was that not-so-little tidbit ever explained in Asunder or did it get swept under the rug like so many other convoluted things in DA2?

Truth be told I think that the Circle/Templar system, in order to work, had to have a system of checks and balances attached to it.

They should have designed it like some other religion-centric governments that turned out well. For instance... uhh... hmm.. nevermind, I can't think of one.

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Not only was the Tranquil solution rejected by both Meredith and the Divine, Sir Alrik was disliked by both templars and mages alike. If the player is intended to take anything away from that quest at all I'd think it is that the Chantry is explicitly not like **** Germany.

Little tip. Just walking away is a better option than making stuff up and hoping no one calls you on it.

[Xilizhra]

There's a slight difference between an organization based around shared beliefs and a group of people with a DNA similarity.

True enough. Just be aware.

It truly is incredible that people actually believe Grand Wizard Elthina was doing anything to help. Elthina didn't deserve to be blown up, no. She deserved... do you know what "impaling" is?

Er. I admit I'd prefer it if we stick to my "no one deserves to die, but Elthina's death wasn't particularly bad" ethos.

They should have designed it like some other religion-centric governments that turned out well. For instance... uhh... hmm.. nevermind, I can't think of one.

Was Achaemenid Persia religion-centric? I honestly don't remember. However, if so, that's one that turned out fair for its day (really, rather better than Greece).

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The letter you receive from the woman you save from Alrik and Vengeance tells you that nobody misses Alrik. Not even other templars.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

If it turns out the
Architect is one of the original Magisters like I and many other people
believe, then we'll know that Corypheus can't hear the call as well. You
know, since the Architect said he can't hear the Old Gods' call and he
wants to make the Darkspawn like he is.

Remember that the
Awakened Darkspawn hold sway over the mindless Darkspawn because the
mindless ones fear the Awakened ones. It's not a stretch to think that
the reason why Larius calls Corypheus' call an imitation of
the Archdemon's one is because of that fact.

The Archdemon commands vast numbers of Darkspawn.

The
Awakened Darkspawn can also command numerous Darkspawn. Not as much as
an Archdemon, but still a fairly large number.

But Larius can hear Corypheus call. And so can Anders. He's not just afraid of him becuse he's powerful like the other darkspawn..

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 18 février 2012 - 09:15 .

[Lazy Jer]

Rifneno wrote...

Because we listened to the part where we're told the Templars are the Chantry's military arm. We were even explicitly told that the Chantry has the Templars by the short-hairs because they control the lyrium supply on the surface. Was that not-so-little tidbit ever explained in Asunder or did it get swept under the rug like so many other convoluted things in DA2?

Wouldn't know about Asunder...I'm only on Chapter 5. 

But in regards to the happenings in Kirkwall, there is no evidence to support the idea that the Chantry is using lyrium as a means of controlling the Templars.  Even whatshisface the ex-templar mentions that it's the Templars that "have the dust", he says nothing of the Chantry.  What's more it's plainly evident that Knight Commander Meredeth, the Templar, is acting on her own volition.  She's the one making the controversal decisions, not the Chantry.  I have yet to see conculsive proof that Grand Cleric Elthina was secretly controlling Meredeth from behind the scenes.  In fact the criticism that Elthina has taken was that she didn't take enough control.  She believed on a hands-off approach to leadership, which is actually a good idea for Chantry leaders because they're getting they're a religious order, not a governmental one.  A willingness to step aside, run her own show and let the Viscount run Kirkwall.  The part that GC Elthina pulled a Ser Jory on (i.e. made a bad decision) was that she didn't put a stronger leesh on her own dog. So the Chantry (per GCE) did have a role in what happened in Kirkwall, but they're not primarily to blame.

They should have designed it like some other religion-centric governments that turned out well. For instance... uhh... hmm.. nevermind, I can't think of one.

The problem that neither side wanted to acknowledge untill it was too late is that the Circle/Templar system had become more then just a religious order.  The Circle of Magi became one of the primary places where mages were trained, and it tended to have a high concentration of magically active individuals and also (at least in Ferelden's case) had the largest concentration of magical knowledge.  When you have that situation then you need oversite and oversite of your oversite, and the oversite and the oversite overseeing the oversite needs to oversee the oversite of the overseer that overseeing your oversite. 

That's why they needed a system in play to keep the Chantry, the Templar Order and the Circle of Magi from becoming too corrupt.

Edit: "Grand Wizard Elthina?" That's low...even for you that's low.

Modifié par Lazy Jer, 18 février 2012 - 11:44 .

[dragonflight288]

But in regards to the happenings in Kirkwall, there is no evidence to support the idea that the Chantry is using lyrium as a means of controlling the Templars. Even whatshisface the ex-templar mentions that it's the Templars that "have the dust", he says nothing of the Chantry. What's more it's plainly evident that Knight Commander Meredeth, the Templar, is acting on her own volition. She's the one making the controversal decisions, not the Chantry. I have yet to see conculsive proof that Grand Cleric Elthina was secretly controlling Meredeth from behind the scenes. In fact the criticism that Elthina has taken was that she didn't take enough control. She believed on a hands-off approach to leadership, which is actually a good idea for Chantry leaders because they're getting they're a religious order, not a governmental one. A willingness to step aside, run her own show and let the Viscount run Kirkwall. The part that GC Elthina pulled a Ser Jory on (i.e. made a bad decision) was that she didn't put a stronger leesh on her own dog. So the Chantry (per GCE) did have a role in what happened in Kirkwall, but they're not primarily to blame.

Three words. Alistair in Origins.

Alistair outright tells us that the Chantry controls the lyrium trade with the dwarves. It doesn't have to be in DA2 to be relevant.

And so if the Chantry controls the lyrium trade, that means the templars have to get it through official channels through the Chantry. Samson wouldn't have access to lyrium from the Chantry because he was disgraced and kicked out. He was suffering withdrawal, and had to scrounge up to pay smugglers to get him lyrium.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Rifneno wrote...

Little tip. Just walking away is a better option than making stuff up and hoping no one calls you on it.

A little tip: Check up on the lore before you try and act all superior...Letters and comments clearly indicate that no one was particularly fond of Alrik.

[EmperorSahlertz]

dragonflight288 wrote...
Three words. Alistair in Origins.

Alistair outright tells us that the Chantry controls the lyrium trade with the dwarves. It doesn't have to be in DA2 to be relevant.

And so if the Chantry controls the lyrium trade, that means the templars have to get it through official channels through the Chantry. Samson wouldn't have access to lyrium from the Chantry because he was disgraced and kicked out. He was suffering withdrawal, and had to scrounge up to pay smugglers to get him lyrium.

The Templars had gained considerable power within the Chantry under Divine Beatrix III's last years, so the "Chantry controlled Lyrium" wasn't really a problem for the Templars.

[TEWR]

Three words. Alistair in Origins.

And Anders in Awakening. Anders echoes those very same thoughts that Alistair told us.

[Cody]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Little tip. Just walking away is a better option than making stuff up and hoping no one calls you on it.

A little tip: Check up on the lore before you try and act all superior...Letters and comments clearly indicate that no one was particularly fond of Alrik.

Obviously not all. His groupies for one, and then there is Karras who was a lot like Alrik(or what I like to call him, "Diet Alrik"). And if anything it only spoke about 1 templar thinking of telling the higher ups on him. In the end there were too many templars that were either just like him or just didn't care to say that "no one was particularly fond" of him.

[GavrielKay]

CodyMelch wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Little tip. Just walking away is a better option than making stuff up and hoping no one calls you on it.

A little tip: Check up on the lore before you try and act all superior...Letters and comments clearly indicate that no one was particularly fond of Alrik.

Obviously not all. His groupies for one, and then there is Karras who was a lot like Alrik(or what I like to call him, "Diet Alrik"). And if anything it only spoke about 1 templar thinking of telling the higher ups on him. In the end there were too many templars that were either just like him or just didn't care to say that "no one was particularly fond" of him.

Not to mention, it takes a certain environment to breed someone like Alrik or Karras.  For Alrik to suggest his plan to Meredith or Elthina he would have to have some reason to think they would be receptive to it.  I would never even think to go to my boss with a suggestion that we should wipe all the company's servers so they couldn't be hacked and cause trouble. 

No matter how much Alrik believes in his "solution" it's a whole different thing to think anyone else would be receptive to it.  That he thought he stood a chance to convincing Meredith or Elthina to go along with him suggests they have horribly failed to set acceptable standards of behavior.  In other words, the Chantry and Templar order in Kirkwall have allowed an environment to exist where someone like Alrik (or Kerras) knows he can get away with atrocity.  He didn't fear reprisal for suggesting such a wretched thing.

[Plaintiff]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Little tip. Just walking away is a better option than making stuff up and hoping no one calls you on it.

A little tip: Check up on the lore before you try and act all superior...Letters and comments clearly indicate that no one was particularly fond of Alrik.

So they disapprove of the Tranquil Solution, not to mention rape and Alrik's various other abuses of power, but not enough to actually do anything about it.

Gosh, what saints.

[MissOuJ]

Plaintiff wrote...
So they disapprove of the Tranquil Solution, not to mention rape and Alrik's various other abuses of power, but not enough to actually do anything about it.

Gosh, what saints.

For real.

The fact that the Chantry & Templars actually let the situation with the mages and the Circle to get so out of hand is clear indication that they did not care about the mages in their care, what happened to them, or anything else beside their position of power. They did nothing to abolish the institution of oppression, they tried to preserve it no matter the cost.

[Plaintiff]

MissOuJ wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
So they disapprove of the Tranquil Solution, not to mention rape and Alrik's various other abuses of power, but not enough to actually do anything about it.

Gosh, what saints.

For real.

The fact that the Chantry & Templars actually let the situation with the mages and the Circle to get so out of hand is clear indication that they did not care about the mages in their care, what happened to them, or anything else beside their position of power. They did nothing to abolish the institution of oppression, they tried to preserve it no matter the cost.

"I guess we could investigate the templars, but they're all the way over there, and we're already in our pajamas."

[EmperorSahlertz]

MissOuJ wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
So they disapprove of the Tranquil Solution, not to mention rape and Alrik's various other abuses of power, but not enough to actually do anything about it.

Gosh, what saints.

For real.

The fact that the Chantry & Templars actually let the situation with the mages and the Circle to get so out of hand is clear indication that they did not care about the mages in their care, what happened to them, or anything else beside their position of power. They did nothing to abolish the institution of oppression, they tried to preserve it no matter the cost.

Indeed. The Templars should have been far more strict before the mages established their Underground.

[Plaintiff]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
So they disapprove of the Tranquil Solution, not to mention rape and Alrik's various other abuses of power, but not enough to actually do anything about it.

Gosh, what saints.

For real.

The fact that the Chantry & Templars actually let the situation with the mages and the Circle to get so out of hand is clear indication that they did not care about the mages in their care, what happened to them, or anything else beside their position of power. They did nothing to abolish the institution of oppression, they tried to preserve it no matter the cost.

Indeed. The Templars should have been far more strict before the mages established their Underground.

Rape everyone! Leave no spirit unbroken! Don't get squeamish with the children! More psychological trauma now means less work when they're older!

Modifié par Plaintiff, 19 février 2012 - 12:22 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Indeed. Every single Templar is a rapist, just like every single mage is a blood mage. So I guess that evens out nicely...

[Plaintiff]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Indeed. Every single Templar is a rapist, just like every single mage is a blood mage. So I guess that evens out nicely...

I never said all templars are rapists. I'm very happy to say that some of them aren't.

You're the one who thinks that the proper response to legitimate grieveances is further abuse.

[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

Er. I admit I'd prefer it if we stick to my "no one deserves to die, but Elthina's death wasn't particularly bad" ethos.

Well that's one area where we'll strongly disagree. Many people on both sides of the Kirkwall meltdown deserved to die. I'd even go so far as to say some of them deserved far more than that.

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

The letter you receive from the woman you save from Alrik and Vengeance tells you that nobody misses Alrik. Not even other templars.

Forgotten about that letter. Sincere apologies for the tone of my reply.

My jackassery aside, I still have doubts that Alrik was universally despised. Kirkwall had many horrific templars and it wasn't just because we got a bad sampling. Cullen's backstory specifically mentioned that Meredith goes out of her way to recruit that kind. I can't imagine templars like Karras thought very ill of Alrik. More likely either they didn't want to show what could be viewed as weakness to the mages, or perhaps more likely Ella never saw them express any anger or grief because she avoided them as much as she could too.

Lazy Jer wrote...

But in regards to the happenings in Kirkwall, there is no evidence to support the idea that the Chantry is using lyrium as a means of controlling the Templars. Even whatshisface the ex-templar mentions that it's the Templars that "have the dust", he says nothing of the Chantry. What's more it's plainly evident that Knight Commander Meredeth, the Templar, is acting on her own volition. She's the one making the controversal decisions, not the Chantry.

As others have already said, it's well established in DAO that the Chantry controls the lyrium. It doesn't matter that it wasn't mentioned in DA2 any more than it doesn't matter DA2 doesn't tell us what the Wardens' Joining ritual is. It's already established, and a slight miswording by a jonesing (sp?) drug addict doesn't change that.

I have yet to see conculsive proof that Grand Cleric Elthina was secretly controlling Meredeth from behind the scenes.

"Conclusive proof" is a subjective term. Look at the infamous "bloody glove" from the OJ Simpson debacle. So really all you're saying is that you don't believe she was. And that's fine, but really doesn't mean much since all we're doing is debating opinions anyway.
Regardless, I don't think anyone (or at least most people that dislike Elthina) is saying she was secretly controlling Meredith. What we're saying is that authorities can't be neutral. If someone is mugging you on the street and another civilian ignores it, that's being neutral. If that person was an on-duty cop, that's not being neutral because it's his job to stop that kind of thing. A cop isn't allowed to say "this isn't my fight, bye" while people murder each other. When an authority figure ignores their job, they are siding with the more powerful party by de facto. And I seriously doubt Elthina didn't understand that, even if most of the people here don't. By being "neutral," she's siding with Meredith while saving face with people who buy her "sweet old lady" crap.

Edit: "Grand Wizard Elthina?" That's low...even for you that's low.

I'll take that as a compliment.  And nice, I was wondering when someone would catch that.  I've said it several times before and nobody ever remarked.  'twas heartbreaking!

CodyMelch wrote...

Obviously not all. His groupies for one, and then there is Karras who was a lot like Alrik(or what I like to call him, "Diet Alrik").

I'm not sure Karras was Alrik Lite at all. He was just as bad really, but you needed to let him live in Act I to see the differences. Some people remarked about Alain complaining about getting raped in Act II but for some reason a lot of people couldn't get him to make that comment... it turned out that was because he only made it if Karras was alive. Because Karras was the rapist (or at least one of them, he still makes another similar comment in Best Served Cold even if Karras was killed in Act I). Karras is also the one that let us know Meredith had sent to Orlais for the Right of Annulment early in Act III, adding that "the robes will finally get what's coming to them." No lyrium idol here, boys and girls. He's just that much of a monster.

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Indeed. The Templars should have been far more strict before the mages established their Underground.

Which is exactly why I want to start impaling templars en masse before their next atrocity.  

[MissOuJ]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

For real.

The fact that the Chantry & Templars actually let the situation with the mages and the Circle to get so out of hand is clear indication that they did not care about the mages in their care, what happened to them, or anything else beside their position of power. They did nothing to abolish the institution of oppression, they tried to preserve it no matter the cost.

Indeed. The Templars should have been far more strict before the mages established their Underground.

No. The Chantry and the Templars should have gotten rid of the oppressive system: establish the Circle as an istitute of help and learning in stead of oppression and suffering; they should have gotten rid of those templars who abuse their power (Sers Alrik, Karras, and Meredith come to mind...), and they should have. Stopped. Oppressing. Mages! Really, it's that simple.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Plaintiff wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Indeed. Every single Templar is a rapist, just like every single mage is a blood mage. So I guess that evens out nicely...

I never said all templars are rapists. I'm very happy to say that some of them aren't.

You're the one who thinks that the proper response to legitimate grieveances is further abuse.

When did I say that the Tempalrs should abuse the mages? I never said that. I said that the Templars should've been more strict. Does strict mean abuse? No, it doesn't. Does it mean that they should've kept a closer eye to what the mages was doing? Yes, it does. Does that mean they should rape the mages? No, it most certainly doesn't. At least not where I am from....

[Plaintiff]

MissOuJ wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

For real.

The fact that the Chantry & Templars actually let the situation with the mages and the Circle to get so out of hand is clear indication that they did not care about the mages in their care, what happened to them, or anything else beside their position of power. They did nothing to abolish the institution of oppression, they tried to preserve it no matter the cost.

Indeed. The Templars should have been far more strict before the mages established their Underground.

No. The Chantry and the Templars should have gotten rid of the oppressive system: establish the Circle as an istitute of help and learning in stead of oppression and suffering; they should have gotten rid of those templars who abuse their power (Sers Alrik, Karras, and Meredith come to mind...), and they should have. Stopped. Oppressing. Mages! Really, it's that simple.

No no, you've got it all wrong! If, instead of turning a blind eye to mage rape, we make it an official policy and publicly endorse it, mages won't be able to rebel because they'll be too busy being held at swordpoint as they orally service their captors!

It's genius! Utterly foolproof!

[EmperorSahlertz]

MissOuJ wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

For real.

The fact that the Chantry & Templars actually let the situation with the mages and the Circle to get so out of hand is clear indication that they did not care about the mages in their care, what happened to them, or anything else beside their position of power. They did nothing to abolish the institution of oppression, they tried to preserve it no matter the cost.

Indeed. The Templars should have been far more strict before the mages established their Underground.

No. The Chantry and the Templars should have gotten rid of the oppressive system: establish the Circle as an istitute of help and learning in stead of oppression and suffering; they should have gotten rid of those templars who abuse their power (Sers Alrik, Karras, and Meredith come to mind...), and they should have. Stopped. Oppressing. Mages! Really, it's that simple.

You expect them to change the system overnight or something? There are only two ways to change the system, slowly and progressively, or through bloody revolution. Revolutions though tend to only lead to one of two extremes. In this case: Increased mage oppression, or mage supremacy. Neither of which are acceptable.
The slow change is the hardest one to endure, but it is the one with the best outcome by far.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Plaintiff wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

For real.

The fact that the Chantry & Templars actually let the situation with the mages and the Circle to get so out of hand is clear indication that they did not care about the mages in their care, what happened to them, or anything else beside their position of power. They did nothing to abolish the institution of oppression, they tried to preserve it no matter the cost.

Indeed. The Templars should have been far more strict before the mages established their Underground.

No. The Chantry and the Templars should have gotten rid of the oppressive system: establish the Circle as an istitute of help and learning in stead of oppression and suffering; they should have gotten rid of those templars who abuse their power (Sers Alrik, Karras, and Meredith come to mind...), and they should have. Stopped. Oppressing. Mages! Really, it's that simple.

No no, you've got it all wrong! If, instead of turning a blind eye to mage rape, we make it an official policy and publicly endorse it, mages won't be able to rebel because they'll be too busy being held at swordpoint as they orally service their captors!

It's genius! Utterly foolproof!

Again with the endorsement of rape.... When the flying ducks of hell did I EVER mention that? I swear, you got some kind of issue, since apparently you exchange every other word with rape, in your mind.

Being more strict on the mages DOES NOT equate to endorse mistreatment of mages. It emrely means that the Templars, for instance, should've discovered the mage underground before it got settled. It means that they should've been more aware of the blood mages in the Circle's ranks, it means they should've been aware of the Apostates' plots against the Gallows and Chantry.

It does not, in any shape, form or function, in this world and any form of alternate dimension you can imagine, mean that Templars should rape more often.......

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 19 février 2012 - 02:14 .

[Plaintiff]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Indeed. Every single Templar is a rapist, just like every single mage is a blood mage. So I guess that evens out nicely...

I never said all templars are rapists. I'm very happy to say that some of them aren't.

You're the one who thinks that the proper response to legitimate grieveances is further abuse.

When did I say that the Tempalrs should abuse the mages? I never said that. I said that the Templars should've been more strict. Does strict mean abuse? No, it doesn't. Does it mean that they should've kept a closer eye to what the mages was doing? Yes, it does. Does that mean they should rape the mages? No, it most certainly doesn't. At least not where I am from....

It's obviouly what you meant. If you weren't talking about rape, why the hell would you interrupt a discussion about rape?

Here's how the conversation went:

MissOuJ: The chantry should've worked harder to get rid of the templar rapists and end the systematic abuse occuring within the Circle.

You: If you ask me, they should crack down on mages even harder. Herpyderpyderpderp.

Now, I'm going to be (exceedingly) generous and admit that I may have misinterpreted your statement. If that is the case, then I'm forced to ask the following: 

If you didn't want your statement to imply a) that rape is totally a legitimate tactic to enforce obedience, and that the mages need MOAR RAEP to keep them from acting out, why would you quote MissOuJ, knowing full well that her post is not only completely irrelevant to your point, but will cast unfortunate implications on you (ie, it looks like you're totally cool with raping mages)?

Further, I would like to know, given that mages already endure separation from their families, imprisonment, the constant threat of physical and sexual abuse, the theft of their children and more besides, what do you think the Chantry could do that would be "stricter"?

Modifié par Plaintiff, 19 février 2012 - 02:25 .

[Plaintiff]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

For real.

The fact that the Chantry & Templars actually let the situation with the mages and the Circle to get so out of hand is clear indication that they did not care about the mages in their care, what happened to them, or anything else beside their position of power. They did nothing to abolish the institution of oppression, they tried to preserve it no matter the cost.

Indeed. The Templars should have been far more strict before the mages established their Underground.

No. The Chantry and the Templars should have gotten rid of the oppressive system: establish the Circle as an istitute of help and learning in stead of oppression and suffering; they should have gotten rid of those templars who abuse their power (Sers Alrik, Karras, and Meredith come to mind...), and they should have. Stopped. Oppressing. Mages! Really, it's that simple.

No no, you've got it all wrong! If, instead of turning a blind eye to mage rape, we make it an official policy and publicly endorse it, mages won't be able to rebel because they'll be too busy being held at swordpoint as they orally service their captors!

It's genius! Utterly foolproof!

Again with the endorsement of rape.... When the flying ducks of hell did I EVER mention that? I swear, you got some kind of issue, since apparently you exchange every other word with rape, in your mind.

Being more strict on the mages DOES NOT equate to endorse mistreatment of mages. It emrely means that the Templars, for instance, should've discovered the mage underground before it got settled. It means that they should've been more aware of the blood mages in the Circle's ranks, it means they should've been aware of the Apostates' plots against the Gallows and Chantry.

It does not, in any shape, form or function, in this world and any form of alternate dimension you can imagine, mean that Templars should rape more often.......

PROTIP: If you don't want to talk about rape in the context of the Circle, don't quote people who are talking about precisely that.