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[dragonflight288]

Well, considering Mereideth is the one that ousted Viscount Amell, after Reveka Amell had a mage child and, put Dumar on the throne, yes Hawke is the rightful Viscount, he or Gamlen (since Leandra did not live) and, I don't think Gamlen belongs there.

Not entirely correct there. The Amells were a powerful familiy, and after Meredith ousted the previous Viscount, the Amells would've been chosen if it weren't for the mage child, and Leandra running off with Malcolm. The rest of the nobles were happy to see them gone because the Amells had so much power.

Hawke is a likely candidate for the Viscount chair, and the only thing keeping him/her from claiming it is Meredith saying she's the only one qualified to keep the city safe from blood mages. Glad she and her templars are focusing on blood mages and not politics.

wait.....

[General User]

Xilizhra wrote...

I think very few PETA members are insane.

I agree.

[TEWR]

I dunno, from PETA's recent actions I view them as very touched in the head.

They took issue with Marrio simply for his raccoon gliding suit thingy and wanted it removed from games, saying it encourages kids to wear fur.

...and this was in a remake of the original Mario games where that ability first came into play. At the point in time when the original Mario game with that ability was made, PETA had already existed for a while. If they had any issue with it, it should've been then. Not now.

It still would've been stupid, but it would've made slightly more sense.

And this is ignoring the fact that people have worn fur for centuries. I'm not against wearing fur, so long as the rest of the animal is used appropriately and isn't discarded like it's simply trash. Also, no excessive hunting for obvious reasons.

I'm an animal rights person -- it's my belief that no matter what anyone tries to tell you, animals do in fact have souls -- but PETA takes animal rights to an absurdly idiotic level sometimes. Occasionally to the point where animal rights cease to play a part in anything they argue and they're really just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 02 mars 2012 - 02:37 .

[dragonflight288]

I generally ignore PETA and treat animals with respect. Hunting dogs help people hunt, and make great friends and companions to people. They enjoy things like humans do.

Cats are undeniably intelligent and curious....once had a cat that beat up a bull dog once. So they can be tough.

But PETA can be so stupid that I just generally ignore them.

[Ivucci]

General User wrote...

That's a horrifying story.

Oh well

[Cody]

dragonflight288 wrote...


Cats are undeniably intelligent and curious....once had a cat that beat up a bull dog once. So they can be tough.

 

Indeed If anything if cats were the same size as say, a pitt bull? The cat would be more than capable of taking it out with little difficulty due to having claws that are far more useful in a fight, far more dangerous teeth, and being more flexible, and able to wrap its legs around the dog and/or swipe at it.

[TEWR]

My black cat is able to take out my 100 lb. Chesapeake Bay Retriever.

And by take out, I mean he makes my dog so afraid by swatting him across the face that the dog doesn't want anything to do with the cat anymore.

'Course, the dog only wanted to be friendly. He's not even a violent dog. The worst he'll do is playfully gnaw on your hand as he rolls around on the floor when you try and put a leash on him.

Um.... Mages. Templars. Anders. Crazy lyriumsaber woman. There. On-topic.

[DPSSOC]

Rifneno wrote...

General User wrote...

Needless hostility aside... I can predict Anders future actions because they match the pattern of extremists.  

Anders WILL eventually turn on those he claims to be fighting for.  Just like every fanatic does who doesn't turn away from their path.  The problem with Anders is, thanks to his merger with Justice, he can't turn away.

AFK, looking for the news story about hardcore PETA activists mass murdering endangered species.

...  Man, google sucks, I can't find it for some reason.

Not quite there yet but give them time.

[Xilizhra]

Actually, that was a very interesting video. I'd heard about the whole euthanasia issue, but hadn't heard their reasoning for it. Now it at least their internal logic makes sense.

[Rifneno]

General User wrote...

Are you trying to say that the truly insane don't fit this pattern? If so, you may have a point.

It's not my place to judge their sanity. I'm simply saying someone who compares a hunter who eats everything he kills to Jeffrey Dahlmer (yes, that happened) is clearly an extremist, yet they don't do what you claim every extremist does. And since you emphasized the word "every" there's not much room for "exception that proves the rule." But I just picked the first clear extremist type that popped to mind. Well, the first one that wasn't politically or religiously related and thus against the rules. There's a great many extremists who didn't turn on their own cause.

dragonflight288 wrote...

Cats are undeniably intelligent and curious....

You should see some large parrots. It's mindblowing how smart they are.

[General User]

Rifneno wrote...

General User wrote...

Are you trying to say that the truly insane don't fit this pattern? If so, you may have a point.

It's not my place to judge their sanity. I'm simply saying someone who compares a hunter who eats everything he kills to Jeffrey Dahlmer (yes, that happened) is clearly an extremist, yet they don't do what you claim every extremist does. And since you emphasized the word "every" there's not much room for "exception that proves the rule." But I just picked the first clear extremist type that popped to mind. Well, the first one that wasn't politically or religiously related and thus against the rules. There's a great many extremists who didn't turn on their own cause.

That's fair enough.  Though after watching the video DPSSOC linked to, I'm not so sure your (or my own, tbh) assessment of PETA was accurate afterall.

Extremists don't turn on their own cause... exactly.  It would be more accurate to say that they turn on the people their cause is meant to help.  Sometimes that involves betraying the principles their respective "revolutions" were originally meant to profess, and sometimes that involves carrying a wacko philosophy to it's logical conclusion.  Most often both.  That's the road Anders is on.

[Koire]

I think the motives of the characters mentioned are substantially different, therefore we can't say that they are the same.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Or...you know everybody might be putting a little too much thought into it...


Never mind carry on.

[astreqwerty]

Meredith in her 4 lines was a far deeper character than Anders (da2-style) will ever be..they just took a fun character and utterly destroyed him.anders part was some of the worst writing ive ever experianced and it was such a shock considering it came from bio..i guess nobody is perfect

[Koire]

astreqwerty wrote...

Meredith in her 4 lines was a far deeper character than Anders (da2-style) will ever be..they just took a fun character and utterly destroyed him.anders part was some of the worst writing ive ever experianced and it was such a shock considering it came from bio..i guess nobody is perfect

I have to respectfully disagree. I found Anders quite believable in DA2.

Modifié par Koire, 02 mars 2012 - 10:01 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Koire wrote...

I have to respectfully disagree. I found Anders quite believable in DA2.

Anders I think was believable.

However, I still think he was unbelievably whiny and annoying... but his writing was believable.

[TEWR]

His writing was believable, albeit not sufficient to really drive home the concept of him "losing himself to Justice". In each Act -- outside of the Fade -- he loses himself to Justice only 1 time. 2 if you Rivalried him and take a certain path in Act 3. Also, I liked Justice in Awakening so it would've been nice to have some conversations with him as Hawke.

I wanted Anders to have some additional motivations for why he played Jenga with the Chantry, but he was otherwise a decent enough character. Well-written and not a far cry from DAO: Awakening Anders if you actually examined Anders' persona in there. Not sufficiently well-written given the rushed nature of the game, but in comparison to other people in DAII he's well-written.

On the surface, Anders appeared like a normal guy in Awakening. But if you look deeper, there's a man that's scarred by his time in the Circle and hides behind a veil of jokes. To people, he's a comedian. To himself, he uses jokes as a shield so that people won't see how depressed and messed up he was.

At least, that's how I always saw him in Awakening prior to knowing about him benig in DAII.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 03 mars 2012 - 12:51 .

[dragonflight288]

Notice in Awakening, whenever anyone, Warden included, asks him about his time in the Circle, it's either a joke to change the subject or he glosses over it without many details.

The way that one templar has a grudge against him, wouldn't surprise me if he seduced her to escape, and left her high and dry.

The only time Anders is ever serious is when he talks to Wynne about the disaster waiting to happen if mages cut themselves off from the Chantry entirely and when it's time to decide the fate of the Architect. Every other time he just makes a smart alek comment or joke and tries to change the subject. Or he's joking around with Oghren.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

He got serious when Amaranthine's fate was being decided and when he discovered that all the death with the elves and humans was because the darkspawn tricked Velanna.

[dragonflight288]

True.

I guess my point is that he was avoiding being serious because it led to DA2 where he was nothing but serious. Thank you Justice.

A sense of humor makes a great defensive shell if you don't want to talk about something.

[Sajuro]

Koire wrote...

astreqwerty wrote...

Meredith in her 4 lines was a far deeper character than Anders (da2-style) will ever be..they just took a fun character and utterly destroyed him.anders part was some of the worst writing ive ever experianced and it was such a shock considering it came from bio..i guess nobody is perfect

I have to respectfully disagree. I found Anders quite believable in DA2.

I liked Anders in my first playthrough (before finishing Origins) and in my second playthrough (after beating awakening) he became a tragic character for me since Justice destroyed his sense of humor.

[Koire]

I felt that something was seriously wrong with Anders in DAA. Because when a person casually tells you that he haven't seen people for a year and the only company he had was a cat, and then keeps poking the stupid kitten you've just given him with a crazy voice.. I found most of his jokes funny, but his interactions with Ser-Pounce-a-lot made me think it is a kind of hysterics or something... like here: http://www.youtube.c...?v=obAc7Zg4o0s. The girl left NZ just before the earthquake and when her plane landed learned about it and was taken to the interview.

[Rifneno]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

However, I still think he was unbelievably whiny and annoying... but his writing was believable.

I don't understand at all why so many characters are labeled whiners. Not just Anders, not just DA, but pretty much gaming as a whole. No matter what characters go through, they're supposed to man up and get over it instantly. If most of us broke our little toe we'd whine more than Anders does in the entirety of DA2 after a life of brutal oppression and seeing friends - even his first lover - have their very souls ripped out by a psychotic tyrant.

[Ivucci]

There are several moments in Awakening where he shows his serious, reasonable/considerate side. There is definitely Amaranthine, as he protests against leaving the city folk defenseless. There’s a nice banter moment with Sigrun when she wants him to set a bush on fire and he insists magic isn’t there for someone’s amusement, plus the bush didn’t really do anything to deserve that.

Koire wrote...
I felt that something was seriously wrong with Anders in DAA. Because when a person casually tells you that he haven't seen people for a year and the only company he had was a cat, and then keeps poking the stupid kitten you've just given him with a crazy voice..

You should see me talking to my dogs sometimes, really, and I wasn’t even locked up in a tower… truth, it’s another thing to talk like that in front of several other people who have just gutted a bunch of darkspawn but Anders is looong past caring about what others think of him. I'd say he does it for the comedy, too.

dragonflight288 wrote...
The way that one templar has a grudge against him, wouldn't surprise me if he seduced her to escape, and left her high and dry.

Ah yes there is definitely more to the female templar stories than Anders chooses to reveal.

Modifié par Ivucci, 03 mars 2012 - 10:37 .

[Plaintiff]

Rifneno wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

However, I still think he was unbelievably whiny and annoying... but his writing was believable.

I don't understand at all why so many characters are labeled whiners. Not just Anders, not just DA, but pretty much gaming as a whole. No matter what characters go through, they're supposed to man up and get over it instantly. If most of us broke our little toe we'd whine more than Anders does in the entirety of DA2 after a life of brutal oppression and seeing friends - even his first lover - have their very souls ripped out by a psychotic tyrant.

I never saw Anders as whiny. I guess Martin Luther King was whining too when he made his speeches. And the Jews fled **** Germany because they're just drama queens like that.

And if Anders is 'whiny', so what? He should be whining. Everyone should be and they shouldn't stop until the problem is fixed. Personally, I find it far more annoying that the other party members are content to just blow off the abuse and corruption of the Templars and the Chantry.

But I've noticed this on a much wider scale as well. Any time a character is rightfully and naturally upset about anything, they cop flak for it.

Character: "I was tied up and forced to watch as my wife and daughters were gangraped and beaten to death."

Player: "Shut the **** up, Buzz Killington, nobody cares. If my family was violated and slaughtered like pigs, I wouldn't cry about it. Why do you have to ruin everyone else's good time? What are you, some kind of woman?"

Modifié par Plaintiff, 03 mars 2012 - 12:56 .