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Suicide Mission variability could've been sidestepped to bring back ME2 party members.


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the ridiculousness that was the Lazarus Project.


Who'd have thought that the only things you needed to bring someone back to life are some water and light blue food coloring, plus some cybernetics.

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AgitatedLemon wrote...

All I know is that I want Miranda, Mordin, and Legion back.


Put me down for Mordin and Miranda, anyway. Maybe we could still get LotSB-style missions that expand their specific character arcs.

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who would know wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

All I know is that I want Miranda, Mordin, and Legion back.


Put me down for Mordin and Miranda, anyway. Maybe we could still get LotSB-style missions that expand their specific character arcs.


This would be satisfactory, so long as (After the missions) there's more interaction than "Hi there Shepard", like after LotSB.

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AgitatedLemon wrote...

who would know wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

All I know is that I want Miranda, Mordin, and Legion back.


Put me down for Mordin and Miranda, anyway. Maybe we could still get LotSB-style missions that expand their specific character arcs.


This would be satisfactory, so long as (After the missions) there's more interaction than "Hi there Shepard", like after LotSB.


Or more random genric lines like Mordin has with his tests.

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So are telling me that no one from you Me 2 team are coming back? What??? please tell me that we will have at least cameos or something for thane, kasumi, grunt and jack. I really liked those guys especially grunt. I like having a krogan bodyguard. Don't got me wrong, I really liked all of the characters though jacob was a tad boring but whatever.

If your going to make a game surrounding 12 characters and important characters for the game, surely they will follow on in the sequel? I mean you essentially recruit the most powerful squad in the galaxy. Are you really going to give up on a resource like that? I preferred my Me2 squad to mass effect, I don't like Bioware reducing the squad to just three, I mean three??

Come on, if it took twelve to take out the collectors, surely you will about the same or more to defeat the Reapers right? Reapers being much more powerful than the collectors after all and lets not forget Cerberus and it's new army.

I support bigger squad for ME3 and return of Me 2 characters. I hope thats what bioware will do when their doing their 'tweaking' over the next three months. At the very least I would like a resolution or explanation for less squad members and the disappearance of mass effect 2's cast.

Would be nice. Either way I think the game will be good whatever happens, I just hope it doesn't ignore the last two games. Especially the 2nd game. So, do we kill tim?

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The ME2 squadmate will came back, not as squadmate though. They'll have, more or less, a role to fill in the story.
We should've already know that this will happen when we saw how the SM works. Thanks to whoever in the Bioware team though it was a nice idea.
About retconning their death, hell no. It was bad enough in DA2 with Anders or Justice dead in the Keep.

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Well that makes me sort of happy, can we at least re-recruit Grunt again/ I mean you are after all his battle master and as Grunt says "Shepard is my battle master for he is without comparison".

So, I hope grunt's back to charge forward shouting the immortal lines " I am Krogan!!!".

Now I think about it Grunt reminds me a bit of william wallace and Braveheart. I think thats a good thing.

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Your squad is VS, Liara, James, Tali, Garrus and two new characters. The ME2 squad are NPCs

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How did they not notice the suicide mission was a bad idea until after?

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Kid Buu wrote...

How did they not notice the suicide mission was a bad idea until after?


I really don't know. It was idiotic, other then ridicously easy.
I could only hope that they learnt the lesson and don't make a similar things in ME3.

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What baffles me is the way that Miranda's plot armor, something exclusive to her, seems to have been forgotten about. I'd actually make the argument that either you have to do it on purpose, or you have to be unbelievably incompetent to get her killed. So if it was a matter of input vs output, of maximizing content so that the majority of players would be able to experience it, Miranda would've easily been a safer bet than Tali (never even minding that she is about 200% more interesting as a character).

Mordin wasn't granted the same survivability, though. Mordin and Tali were among the most fragile, and both could easily be killed without the player wanting it to happen. Yet Miranda, one of the most popular if not the most popular of the new characters (some people bought ME2 just for her and her catsuit, I **** you not, but I guess Ashley is picking up that slack), has a smaller role than Tali despite being alive in more games.

hhh89 wrote...

I could only hope that they learnt the lesson and don't make a similar things in ME3.


ME3 would've been the prime place for a suicide mission, it being the end and all. ME2? Not so much.

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I also tend to believe that in terms of raw numbers, Miranda is more popular than Tali. Nobody will ever beat Garrus, BSN or anywhere, but Tali polls well because this is the internet, this is BSN, this is virgin nerds. There, I said it.

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who would know wrote...

I also tend to believe that in terms of raw numbers, Miranda is more popular than Tali. Nobody will ever beat Garrus, BSN or anywhere, but Tali polls well because this is the internet, this is BSN, this is virgin nerds. There, I said it.

Daww, someone whos mad that Tali is popular.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 31 décembre 2011 - 06:55 .


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I also tend to believe that in terms of raw numbers, Miranda is more popular than Tali. Nobody will ever beat Garrus, BSN or anywhere, but Tali polls well because this is the internet, this is BSN, this is virgin nerds. There, I said it.

You seem... upset. Take a few deep breaths and remind yourself that it's only a game, and you don't need to insult anyone just because your favourite didn't make the ME3 squad.

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As far as making some persons permanent, I definitely think Miranda's name should be the primary one if not the singular one since she is the most vital to Shepard and the entire story. Also, if I remember correctly, Kasumi was introduced as having vital data that could damn or save the alliance while seeking support in ME3.

Outside of those two, Mordin has the longest professional history, ties to the Salarian spy agency, and could act as the chief liaison to. The Krogans since he's the person most adept and inclined to reverse the Genophage.

Last but not least, the LI's. You spent time specifically to know them and keep them around, why would BW restrict access to them in a game about choice when one chooses to keep them around?

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Kid Buu wrote...

You DO realize that virgin nerds would be more likely to like Miranda, right? Miranda was DESIGNED for that purpose.


No, she wasn't. Neither was Ashley. ME1 Liara and ME2 Tali were.

Cthulhu42 wrote...

You seem... upset. Take a few deep breaths and remind yourself that it's only a game, and you don't need to insult anyone just because your favourite didn't make the ME3 squad.


Nothing wrong with being a virgin nerd. I'm one.

Modifié par who would know, 31 décembre 2011 - 07:00 .


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Not only that Tali can die way more than anybody else. No Normandy shield upgrade (dis/loyal), vents (dis/loyal), team leader (dis/loyal), taking the crew back (dis), seeker swarms (dis/loyal), hold the line (dis/loyal), Reaper larva (dis).

Miranda can only die (disloyal) hold the line (otherwise she can hold the line by herself), or (disloyal) Reaper larva.

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naledgeborn wrote...

Not only that Tali can die way more than anybody else. No Normandy shield upgrade (dis/loyal), vents (dis/loyal), team leader (dis/loyal), taking the crew back (dis), seeker swarms (dis/loyal), hold the line (dis/loyal), Reaper larva (dis).

Miranda can only die (disloyal) hold the line (otherwise she can hold the line by herself), or (disloyal) Reaper larva.

What does that have to do with anything?

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Proof of pander.

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naledgeborn wrote...

Proof of pander.

No idea what you are talking about. If anything thats just proof that Bioware played favourites and MJ hard to kill.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 31 décembre 2011 - 07:03 .


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What a surprise.

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naledgeborn wrote...

What a surprise.

No no, I just dont see your point. Are you admitting that MJ was favoured by Bioware? . Despite the fact that even Casey Hudson admits that he was a weak character? Its funny when MJmancers complain about characters getting special treatment

Modifié par Kid Buu, 31 décembre 2011 - 07:12 .


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It's proof that theyre pandering to a fanbase without caring about the integrity of their writing.

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android654 wrote...

It's proof that theyre pandering to a fanbase without caring about the integrity of their writing.

Kind of like what they did in ME2, by making MJ immortal? And how is this hurting the writing? Tali being important in the geth quarian war was obvious from the start. Where as MJ had no purpose. He/she was just a character added in ME2 for sex appeal. Nothing more.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 31 décembre 2011 - 07:06 .


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Not only that Tali can die way more than anybody else. No Normandy shield upgrade (dis/loyal), vents (dis/loyal), team leader (dis/loyal), taking the crew back (dis), seeker swarms (dis/loyal), hold the line (dis/loyal), Reaper larva (dis).

Miranda can only die (disloyal) hold the line (otherwise she can hold the line by herself), or (disloyal) Reaper larva.

Thane is actually the easiest to kill. Unlike Tali, who only dies on an non-upgraded Normandy if Legion isn't around or was taken to fight the Oculus, Thane is first in line for death if you don't have the Thanix Cannon. He also won't survive the vents, loyal or not, and I think may be higher on the seeker swarm death list. Mordin is also very easy to kill.

Regardless, if you keep the whole team alive, which isn't hard, it doesn't matter. I think each individual squad member survived a majority of games anyway.