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Suicide Mission variability could've been sidestepped to bring back ME2 party members.


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My bad you're right about Thane. Regardless people were 6 times more likely to lose Tali in the SM than Miranda yet the former gets the squad mate spot. I'm going by the numbers here. No insults or anything. It looks like pandering to me.

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naledgeborn wrote...

My bad you're right about Thane. Regardless people were 6 times likely to lose Tali in the SM than Miranda yet the former gets the squad mate spot. I'm going by the numbers here. No insults or anything. It looks like pandering to me.

Did you ignore my post? MJ was clearly favoured in ME2. QQ more.

Mj can survive getting shot while unloyal but Garrus cant? Are you kidding me?

Modifié par Kid Buu, 31 décembre 2011 - 07:16 .


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Stop ****ing Buu. You got Tali for 3 whole games. Your argument is weak.

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naledgeborn wrote...

Stop ****ing Buu. You got Tali for 3 whole games. Your argument is weak.

Not really. My point is that MJ was just a plot irrelevant character added in the second installment, in yet was given preferential treatment. MJ was so favoured in ME2 it is disurbing. Despite having no real plot relevence. Really though, Im not trying to ****, Im just trying to understand MJmancer ****ing. Also your argument can go for Garrus as well, but no one ever complains about that. Funny.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 31 décembre 2011 - 07:27 .


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It's not about Tali numb nuts. It's about a character with plot armor getting thrown to the back in the most important part of the story, because fans of other characters would start a riot in BW Edmonton.

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Gentlemen, Gentlemen please.

All romances cater to "virgin nerds"

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naledgeborn wrote...

It's not about Tali numb nuts. It's about a character with plot armor getting thrown to the back in the most important part of the story, because fans of other characters would start a riot in BW Edmonton.

And my point, idiot, is that characters that can actually contribute to the plot were NOT given preferential treatment where MJ was given clear favouritism for no reason. My problem is the fact that MJ HAD plot armor at all. No character should have had that ( if some DID, then it should have been plot relevant characters). Seriously, he can get shot but Garrus cant. W.T.F

Modifié par Kid Buu, 31 décembre 2011 - 07:34 .


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Well, there's certainly a lot of politeness going on in this thread.

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Regardless, the SM was a bad idea from the start. How Bioware didnt notice that at the time is beyond me.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 31 décembre 2011 - 07:37 .


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plz every1 calm down tbh

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android654 wrote...

Last but not least, the LI's. You spent time specifically to know them and keep them around, why would BW restrict access to them in a game about choice when one chooses to keep them around?


You'd think that Shepard's lover, friend, confidant, whatever else a love interest might be, would find no better place to fight a galactic war from than by Shepard's side. I would've even preferred to see that former party member using the Normandy as a base of operations, but being unavailable to use in the field. Like how it was speculated that Mordin could be Normandy personnel, on the ship as doctor/advisor/scientist, yet be unusable beyond that. That would've been fine by me, finer than the situation currently appears to be.

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Kid Buu wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Stop ****ing Buu. You got Tali for 3 whole games. Your argument is weak.

Not really. My point is that MJ was just a plot irrelevant character added in the second installment, in yet was given preferential treatment. MJ was so favoured in ME2 it is disurbing. Despite having no real plot relevence. Really though, Im not trying to ****, Im just trying to understand MJmancer ****ing. Also your argument can go for Garrus as well, but no one ever complains about that. Funny.


Let me take a wild guess as to where this will head.

I'm going to say that Miranda has a very good value to the plot, and you're going to say no. I'm going to explain why she does, and you're going to bring up "Teh ass shotz on teh Normandeh" and say she's just there for fanservice and to "look hawt", all the while you'll probably also say that Tali has more importance than Miranda, despite having zero connection to the Collectors, the Reapers, or Cerberus, all 3 of which are major things to be associated with in order to have plot relevancy.

I'm going to explain Tali's lack of relevancy to anything, and you'll just refute my claim by calling me a butthurt "MJMancer", or whatever it is you say, at which point you'll likely say "Ass shotz" again.

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I would have been fine with two scripted deaths during the Suicide Mission. But judging by all the anti-Virmire buzz, I'd imagine most of the BSN would be kind of irked.

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AgitatedLemon wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Stop ****ing Buu. You got Tali for 3 whole games. Your argument is weak.

Not really. My point is that MJ was just a plot irrelevant character added in the second installment, in yet was given preferential treatment. MJ was so favoured in ME2 it is disurbing. Despite having no real plot relevence. Really though, Im not trying to ****, Im just trying to understand MJmancer ****ing. Also your argument can go for Garrus as well, but no one ever complains about that. Funny.


Let me take a wild guess as to where this will head.

I'm going to say that Miranda has a very good value to the plot, and you're going to say no. I'm going to explain why she does, and you're going to bring up "Teh ass shotz on teh Normandeh" and say she's just there for fanservice and to "look hawt", all the while you'll probably also say that Tali has more importance than Miranda, despite having zero connection to the Collectors, the Reapers, or Cerberus, all 3 of which are major things to be associated with in order to have plot relevancy.

I'm going to explain Tali's lack of relevancy to anything, and you'll just refute my claim by calling me a butthurt "MJMancer", or whatever it is you say, at which point you'll likely say "Ass shotz" again.

Lol. Mjmancers are hilarious. Mj has no relevance. She is a cerberus loyalist. Thats about it. Everything she does in ME2, Jacob could have done. Tali on the other hand, is an admiral candidate and has potential first hand experience with Legion.So she is MUCH more important than MJ. What does MJ provide about the collectors? Or the reapers? Talis loyalty mission is more important than anything MJ related. And if you have read the spoilers for ME3, you would know  just how useless MJ appears to be in that game as well.

As of right now Im trying to think of anything Mj did that no one else could have done at the time... Well I suppose it was his idea to make everyone leave the ship for no reason just so she could yell at Joker, again for no reason. Thats gotta count for something!

If we are talking about ME2 plot relevance, NONE of the characters really had any purpose other than Mordin. If we are talking about Mass Effect relevance in general then MJ has little purpose.

But please, tell me how MJ is so important. Im dying to know.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 31 décembre 2011 - 08:48 .


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That's better, Buu.

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who would know wrote...

That's better, Buu.


I like how he did everything I said he would, minus my involvement.

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who would know wrote...

That's better, Buu.

ty good sir.

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AgitatedLemon wrote...

who would know wrote...

That's better, Buu.


I like how he did everything I said he would, minus my involvement.

hey, I thought you were trying to ignore all my posts.

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Again though, why does no one complain about Garrus? He has even less reason to return in ME3. Not that I dont want him to return.

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Kid Buu wrote...

Again though, why does no one complain about Garrus? He has even less reason to return in ME3. Not that I dont want him to return.


You must not be paying attention.

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Sofia Lamb wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Again though, why does no one complain about Garrus? He has even less reason to return in ME3. Not that I dont want him to return.


You must not be paying attention.

Perhaps they do and all I ever see is people complaining about Tali.

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It's the Final Fantasy VII effect. People do indeed complain about Tali and Garrus quite frequently. Popular things get trashed. It's life.

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Kid Buu wrote...

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Kid Buu wrote...

Again though, why does no one complain about Garrus? He has even less reason to return in ME3. Not that I dont want him to return.


You must not be paying attention.

Perhaps they do and all I ever see is people complaining about Tali.

People have complained somewhat about Garrus (though usually just as part of "Team Dextro" as a group), but there has been far more whining about Tali. So you're both right.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Sofia Lamb wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Again though, why does no one complain about Garrus? He has even less reason to return in ME3. Not that I dont want him to return.


You must not be paying attention.

Perhaps they do and all I ever see is people complaining about Tali.

People have complained somewhat about Garrus (though usually just as part of "Team Dextro" as a group), but there has been far more whining about Tali. So you're both right.


The hell is team Dextro?

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The hell is team Dextro?

Tali and Garrus. They both have Dextro-DNA, and are often referred to as Team Dextro due to this. They're also seen as a "team" because they're the two characters who have been in every game, and because fans of one are often a fan of the other as well.

Modifié par Cthulhu42, 31 décembre 2011 - 09:17 .