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[AgitatedLemon]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

The hell is team Dextro?

Tali and Garrus. They both have Dextro-DNA, and are often referred to as Team Dextro due to this. They're also seen as a "team" because they're the two characters who have been in every game, and because fans of one are often a fan of the other as well.

Ah. 

I was aware of their Dextro-DNA.

[jtav]

I actually do have a much bigger problem with Garrus, partly because I really do hate him, partly because I feel he's being shoved down my throat, and partly because he has no sideplot of his own. Tali has the geth thing, and I like her.

[Azaniae]

Are you ****ing serious?
I thought the whole point of this trilogy was to be able to play out every possible conclusion.

Modifié par Azaniae, 31 décembre 2011 - 10:03 .

[who would know]

Azaniae wrote...

Are you ****ing serious?

Who?

[AgitatedLemon]

Azaniae wrote...

Are you ****ing serious?
I thought the whole point of this trilogy was to be able to play out every possible conclusion.

What?

[android654]

You know what would've worked great in ME2? Non successful recruitments. If you did the Archangel Mission, Tali's Mission on Haestrom and Working with the VS on Horizon against the Collectors and then each former ME1 member had a reason to not join Shepard.

Think about it, Tali was doing research for her father, research she dropped for no reason other than it was dangerous. So she joins Shepard for a suicide mission? It would make more sense for her to thank Shepard for saving her, but to continue her research on the Geth.

Garrus could also tell Shepard he wont go because he has his vigilante work to do and hunt down Sidonis.

Ashley and Kaidan already give you their reason for not joining.

If you did this, I think their return in ME3 would feel more organic with the story and their places in ME2 wouldn't feel so forced. Them being forced is even more evident when you see that each has about two conversations before they run out of things to say. It would also give fans of the VS a chance to run with Ash or Kaidan for an hour.

[BatmanPWNS]

Meh, I think I am the only one happy with a new squad.

[Kid Buu]

android654 wrote...

You know what would've worked great in ME2? Non successful recruitments. If you did the Archangel Mission, Tali's Mission on Haestrom and Working with the VS on Horizon against the Collectors and then each former ME1 member had a reason to not join Shepard.

Think about it, Tali was doing research for her father, research she dropped for no reason other than it was dangerous. So she joins Shepard for a suicide mission? It would make more sense for her to thank Shepard for saving her, but to continue her research on the Geth.

Garrus could also tell Shepard he wont go because he has his vigilante work to do and hunt down Sidonis.

Ashley and Kaidan already give you their reason for not joining.

If you did this, I think their return in ME3 would feel more organic with the story and their places in ME2 wouldn't feel so forced. Them being forced is even more evident when you see that each has about two conversations before they run out of things to say. It would also give fans of the VS a chance to run with Ash or Kaidan for an hour.

More options are always nice.

[Kid Buu]

jtav wrote...

I actually do have a much bigger problem with Garrus, partly because I really do hate him, partly because I feel he's being shoved down my throat, and partly because he has no sideplot of his own. Tali has the geth thing, and I like her.

How can you hate Garrus?! !

[Stalker]

Agreed. A shot in the knee from BioWare...
and moving every ME2 character to the sideplot-area in ME3 is the wrong solution. Especially considering that the ME1 is nothing against the squad that you built with ME2. While ME1 characters support almost nothing special to the Mass Effect universe as a whole, except their friendship with Shepard, your ME2 squad is made up of the best of the best: 

Miranda, the perfect human and key-character for Cerberus,
Legion, info-sorce for everything Reaper and Geth, also a key-character there,
Mordin, probably the most intelligent being in the universe and a key character for the Krogans,
etc. etc.

I am supporting the ME2 squad a lot more than I support the classic (Tali, Liara, Garrus, Ashley...).

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 31 décembre 2011 - 11:40 .

[android654]

Kid Buu wrote...

android654 wrote...

You know what would've worked great in ME2? Non successful recruitments. If you did the Archangel Mission, Tali's Mission on Haestrom and Working with the VS on Horizon against the Collectors and then each former ME1 member had a reason to not join Shepard.

Think about it, Tali was doing research for her father, research she dropped for no reason other than it was dangerous. So she joins Shepard for a suicide mission? It would make more sense for her to thank Shepard for saving her, but to continue her research on the Geth.

Garrus could also tell Shepard he wont go because he has his vigilante work to do and hunt down Sidonis.

Ashley and Kaidan already give you their reason for not joining.

If you did this, I think their return in ME3 would feel more organic with the story and their places in ME2 wouldn't feel so forced. Them being forced is even more evident when you see that each has about two conversations before they run out of things to say. It would also give fans of the VS a chance to run with Ash or Kaidan for an hour.

More options are always nice.

There aren't any options to not recruit people. There's also no way to get some of the upgrades with out them. It would have been a nice inclusion if you could get the shielding, armor and thanix cannon without Tali, Jacob and Garrus. These would have been options that would've been welcomed. Especially since you can skip Garrus in ME1 and Wrex as well I believe.

Modifié par android654, 31 décembre 2011 - 11:44 .

[who would know]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Meh, I think I am the only one happy with a new squad.

Nah. It's just regrettable that every one of ME2's new cast of characters is being sidelined for the finale. These are the characters that engaged me, the characters that I grew attached to. I'd rather they weren't being relegated to bench warming, and I'd also rather it wasn't happening in what seems like an attempt to create ever-present sidekicks using characters that tend to inspire indifference in me.

It doesn't seem mindful of the story, or the characters' individual stories, to do it like this.

Modifié par who would know, 01 janvier 2012 - 03:22 .

[FlyingSquirrel]

I'm not thrilled at this (apparent) news either (I haven't been following the spoilers much), but it may well make sense in-game. If the game starts with Shepard under arrest and the Normandy presumably in Alliance hands, with the galactic war beginning right after that, it's not unreasonable to assume that the ME2 crew have dispersed. Even if they wanted to testify on Shepard's behalf, there's not that much they can say, given that Shepard was alone for the events of Arrival. Under the circumstances, I can certainly imagine Grunt deciding to go to Tuchanka to help with Wrex's campaign, Mordin returning to the STG, Samara pursuing new assignments as a Justicar, Legion rejoining the non-heretic Geth, etc.

[Dean_the_Young]

JeffZero wrote...

I would have been fine with two scripted deaths during the Suicide Mission. But judging by all the anti-Virmire buzz, I'd imagine most of the BSN would be kind of irked.

Scripted generally implies a specific character. Dynamic implies getting to choose who dies. I'd have prefered dynamic death moments.

Two points I would have used would have been the Vents and an Assassin specialist.

For the vents, the tech expert gets the doors open, but dies within the tube because, well, the Collectors seal the exit shut and it can't be opened. You start the suicide mission itself with a death, underlining how even though you got this far, **** just got real. (The difference between loyal and non-loyal, however, is non-loyals take longer, and the Team Leader dies.)


An Assassin specialist, besides giving Thane something to do, could have involved the Collector General into the mission. The specialist dies in the attempt regardless, but a loyal specialist successfully kills the CG and Harbinger doesn't show up for the finale.



Things like that deserve player influence.

[who would know]

I think it's better as dynamic.

However that mechanic had worked, how simple would it have been to simply pull aside and guarantee the survival of a select one or two character(s), if their possibility of being dead was gonna wind up denying them fuller (read: party member) returns in ME3?

Of course, Tali and Garrus get in regardless, so then my next thought is: how bad would it really have been for ME3's squad to miss out on Miranda, after what it takes for her to die? Would that not have been one of those much-talked-about consequences?

[AgitatedLemon]

Tali and Garrus get in regardless

Which is completely stupid, considering both of them can die in ME2.

[android654]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Tali and Garrus get in regardless

Which is completely stupid, considering both of them can die in ME2.

Preaching to the choir...

[BatmanPWNS]

who would know wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Meh, I think I am the only one happy with a new squad.

Nah. It's just regrettable that every one of ME2's new cast of characters is being sidelined for the finale. These are the characters that engaged me, the characters that I grew attached to. I'd rather they weren't being relegated to bench warming, and I'd also rather it wasn't happening in what seems like an attempt to create ever-present sidekicks using characters that tend to inspire indifference in me.

It doesn't seem mindful of the story, or the characters' individual stories, to do it like this.

Well some characters are pointless to come back. I like to think that the squad moved on and I was pretty ****** when I couldn't recruit Ash, Liara and Wrex in ME2 so I've already gone through the phase of losing my fav characters previously so I pretty much knew that most characters would be sidelined. (Especially after Bioware said that they would be a smaller squad than ME2)

[Kid Buu]

android654 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Tali and Garrus get in regardless

Which is completely stupid, considering both of them can die in ME2.

Preaching to the choir...

By that logic, none of them should be in the ME3 squad. We are all aware that the SM was a stupid idea to being with.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 02 janvier 2012 - 02:17 .

[Ticktank]

Kid Buu wrote...

android654 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Tali and Garrus get in regardless

Which is completely stupid, considering both of them can die in ME2.

Preaching to the choir...

By that logic, none of them should be in the ME3 squad. We are all aware that the SM was a stupid idea to being with.

They can be, but if they died, at least have replacements. I mean, they applied this concept for Chakwas/Michel.

Would have made the game so much more replayable. Instead, we're stuck with Tali/Garrus with NO replacements if they died, simply because their fans were willing to give BW handjobs, and the rest chose to keep their integrity.

[Kid Buu]

If you are going to be mad at anything, be mad at the suicide mission and Bioware for thinking it was a good idea.

[Ticktank]

I too, think the suicide mission was a bad idea. But what they are doing now is follow-up and bad idea with another one.

[Kid Buu]

Ticktank wrote...

I too, think the suicide mission was a bad idea. But what they are doing now is follow-up and bad idea with another one.

Its pretty obvious that nothing was planned out.

[Seboist]

I'd say that making a "suicide mission" where it's easier to have everyone survive than perish was a bad idea. It made the whole thing pointless.