Seboist wrote...
I'd say that making a "suicide mission" where it's easier to have everyone survive than perish was a bad idea. It made the whole thing pointless.
Modifié par Kid Buu, 02 janvier 2012 - 02:36 .
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This again?Kid Buu wrote...
Seboist wrote...
I'd say that making a "suicide mission" where it's easier to have everyone survive than perish was a bad idea. It made the whole thing pointless.
What really annoys me is that theres a suicide mission in ME2 where you dont really accomplish anything. You kill a human reaper and the collectors who were making it. So? What was the reaper going to do? Attack the citadel? Last I checked theres a lot more reapers on the way.
who would know wrote...
IsaacShep wrote...
They should've put plot armors on a couple of characters, simple.
Besides, wasn't a party member's death retconned from DA:O to DA2?
Oh damn, we saved lives. Which we could have done by just destroying the relay. Really, the collectors were a newly introduced and ended threat in ME2. They had nothing to do with stopping the reapers and by the end of the game we were exactly where we left off at the end of the first game. ME 2 had SO MUCH potential but instead, story wise, it was meaningless. ME2 could have been about actually DOING something about the reapers but instead was just a giant side mission about saving human lives. And what would I care about humans in the Terminus systems? It was their idea to go there and if they are that stupid that they wont leave after millions of people go missing all the time then its their fault. The collectors are going to target Earth? Let them. One Normandy was enough to kill their only ship. Naturally though, you being Arcian, will just make up anything to try to win this argument when really you have no logical chance.Arcian wrote...
This again?Kid Buu wrote...
Seboist wrote...
I'd say that making a "suicide mission" where it's easier to have everyone survive than perish was a bad idea. It made the whole thing pointless.
What really annoys me is that theres a suicide mission in ME2 where you dont really accomplish anything. You kill a human reaper and the collectors who were making it. So? What was the reaper going to do? Attack the citadel? Last I checked theres a lot more reapers on the way.
You stopped the attacks on human colonies, which would have cost millions of lives if not stopped. What's with this ridiculous notion that ME2 had to be about stopping the Reapers? Using BioWare's own Star Wars comparison: what did Luke and the rebels actually accomplish in Empire Strikes Back? Oh wait, nothing. Was the movie pointless? No, because it introduced a bunch of new characters, explored old ones and gave us one of the most iconic plot reveals in the history of cinema.
Of course, you being Quole, you'll just start to complain about how stupid I am, how OP protoss is and that I'm being reported for harassment. No big surprise there.
Modifié par Kid Buu, 02 janvier 2012 - 09:21 .
Arcian wrote...
This again?Kid Buu wrote...
Seboist wrote...
I'd say that making a "suicide mission" where it's easier to have everyone survive than perish was a bad idea. It made the whole thing pointless.
What really annoys me is that theres a suicide mission in ME2 where you dont really accomplish anything. You kill a human reaper and the collectors who were making it. So? What was the reaper going to do? Attack the citadel? Last I checked theres a lot more reapers on the way.
You stopped the attacks on human colonies, which would have cost millions of lives if not stopped. What's with this ridiculous notion that ME2 had to be about stopping the Reapers? Using BioWare's own Star Wars comparison: what did Luke and the rebels actually accomplish in Empire Strikes Back? Oh wait, nothing. Was the movie pointless? No, because it introduced a bunch of new characters, explored old ones and gave us one of the most iconic plot reveals in the history of cinema.
Of course, you being Quole, you'll just start to complain about how stupid I am, how OP protoss is and that I'm being reported for harassment. No big surprise there.
You going to add anything to this conversation?AgitatedLemon wrote...
Arcian wrote...
This again?Kid Buu wrote...
Seboist wrote...
I'd say that making a "suicide mission" where it's easier to have everyone survive than perish was a bad idea. It made the whole thing pointless.
What really annoys me is that theres a suicide mission in ME2 where you dont really accomplish anything. You kill a human reaper and the collectors who were making it. So? What was the reaper going to do? Attack the citadel? Last I checked theres a lot more reapers on the way.
You stopped the attacks on human colonies, which would have cost millions of lives if not stopped. What's with this ridiculous notion that ME2 had to be about stopping the Reapers? Using BioWare's own Star Wars comparison: what did Luke and the rebels actually accomplish in Empire Strikes Back? Oh wait, nothing. Was the movie pointless? No, because it introduced a bunch of new characters, explored old ones and gave us one of the most iconic plot reveals in the history of cinema.
Of course, you being Quole, you'll just start to complain about how stupid I am, how OP protoss is and that I'm being reported for harassment. No big surprise there.
You forgot about "Lol u just a butthurt MJmancer", regardless of whether or not you like Miranda or not.
Modifié par Kid Buu, 02 janvier 2012 - 09:08 .
Wait. Arent you the one insulting me here? Besides, you never answered my question.AgitatedLemon wrote...
^ Right on cue.
I wonder how many friends he has. I dare say it can't be many, with his incessant need to hurl petty insults.
Ok so youAgitatedLemon wrote...
^ No, I'm not, if you read it at all.
Also, GG editing your post to remove said petty insult.
Modifié par Kid Buu, 02 janvier 2012 - 09:13 .
Funny. You are lucky the mods are all apparently on holidays. Regardless, I assume you have nothing to actually add then?AgitatedLemon wrote...
I didn't insult you in anyway. Reading comprehension?
I guess I'M the one who derailed the thread, and not the countless other non-related posts in the board. Ok then.
Modifié par Kid Buu, 02 janvier 2012 - 09:18 .
Ok. so the Normady attack the collector homeworld and their only real defence is a few oculi and the same ship we have seen over and over again? And if Soveriegn was defeated with an army of geth, following a sneak attack, then what was the human reaper and a collector ship going to accomplish? Dont forget now, the Citadels defences have tightened. Its not like they are going to fight their way through Earths defences. So no, theres no real threat.AgitatedLemon wrote...
I've seen multiple mods make posts in the last 3 hours.
To get back on topic, you said the Collectors would be dumb for targeting Earth. It took the Normandy, upgraded with a front battery made from repurposed Reaper tech, Quarian made shields, and Asari made armor to withstand the Collector ship and the multiple Oculus' that were attacking, and even then it got pretty banged up.
And that doesn't necessarily mean that's their only ship. It's the only one we've seen, but that doesn't make it the only one.
Modifié par Kid Buu, 02 janvier 2012 - 09:29 .
You dont say? Who would they be?AgitatedLemon wrote...
I've seen multiple mods make posts in the last 3 hours.
Kid Buu wrote...
Also, if the Normandy can destroy the ship, dont you think the entire Alliance fleet could?
Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 02 janvier 2012 - 09:49 .
It makes no difference. An entire fleet would destroy the collector ship with ease. Keep in mind, the shields did nothing against the collector ship and the normandy armor and gun upgrades are not needed to destroy the ship. And increase their ability exponentially? What? How? 2 ships and a few oculi would not stand a chance against earth defences.AgitatedLemon wrote...
Kid Buu wrote...
Also, if the Normandy can destroy the ship, dont you think the entire Alliance fleet could?
Like I said before, it took the Normandy's main batteries being upgraded with repurposed Reaper tech, its shields being repurposed with Quarian tech, and it's hard armor forged by Asari to make it even remotely capable of taking down the Collector ship. And it's entirely possible for the Collectors to have a 2nd or third ship, which would increase their ability exponentially.
Point being, the Alliance navy doesn't have this technology, nor have many (If any at all) actually seen Collectors before, which would imply that they don't know of their tactics/tech, or that they employ husks.
It would certainly be easier than battling Sovereign, but still a worthy challenge.
edit: I think I already expressed my feelings about the ME2 cast in ME3. If not, I'll do so now.
TL;DR, I wish the ME2 cast had a more central role than what they curently do, particularly Mordin, Legion, and Miranda. Their roles are sizeable, but not central. I don't know what Thane or Samara are doing in ME3 (Or if they appear).
Modifié par Kid Buu, 02 janvier 2012 - 10:07 .
Kid Buu wrote...
It makes no difference. An entire fleet would destroy the collector ship with ease. Keep in mind, the shields did nothing against the collector ship and the normandy armor and gun upgrades are not needed to destroy the ship. And increase their ability exponentially? What? How? 2 ships and a few oculi would not stand a chance against earth defences.AgitatedLemon wrote...
Kid Buu wrote...
Also, if the Normandy can destroy the ship, dont you think the entire Alliance fleet could?
Like I said before, it took the Normandy's main batteries being upgraded with repurposed Reaper tech, its shields being repurposed with Quarian tech, and it's hard armor forged by Asari to make it even remotely capable of taking down the Collector ship. And it's entirely possible for the Collectors to have a 2nd or third ship, which would increase their ability exponentially.
Point being, the Alliance navy doesn't have this technology, nor have many (If any at all) actually seen Collectors before, which would imply that they don't know of their tactics/tech, or that they employ husks.
It would certainly be easier than battling Sovereign, but still a worthy challenge.
edit: I think I already expressed my feelings about the ME2 cast in ME3. If not, I'll do so now.
TL;DR, I wish the ME2 cast had a more central role than what they curently do, particularly Mordin, Legion, and Miranda. Their roles are sizeable, but not central. I don't know what Thane or Samara are doing in ME3 (Or if they appear).
And Im saying it wouldnt. If a Normandy can destroy a collector ship so easily then some dreadnaughts and an entire fleet would decimate them. And why are you talking about ground forces? The point is that they wont get to use them because they wont make it to earth. They would have a hard time boarding any ships as well because there are so many Alliance ships. It would make no differencce if there were 2 ships or 1. The collectors would have no chance.AgitatedLemon wrote...
Kid Buu wrote...
It makes no difference. An entire fleet would destroy the collector ship with ease. Keep in mind, the shields did nothing against the collector ship and the normandy armor and gun upgrades are not needed to destroy the ship. And increase their ability exponentially? What? How? 2 ships and a few oculi would not stand a chance against earth defences.AgitatedLemon wrote...
Kid Buu wrote...
Also, if the Normandy can destroy the ship, dont you think the entire Alliance fleet could?
Like I said before, it took the Normandy's main batteries being upgraded with repurposed Reaper tech, its shields being repurposed with Quarian tech, and it's hard armor forged by Asari to make it even remotely capable of taking down the Collector ship. And it's entirely possible for the Collectors to have a 2nd or third ship, which would increase their ability exponentially.
Point being, the Alliance navy doesn't have this technology, nor have many (If any at all) actually seen Collectors before, which would imply that they don't know of their tactics/tech, or that they employ husks.
It would certainly be easier than battling Sovereign, but still a worthy challenge.
edit: I think I already expressed my feelings about the ME2 cast in ME3. If not, I'll do so now.
TL;DR, I wish the ME2 cast had a more central role than what they curently do, particularly Mordin, Legion, and Miranda. Their roles are sizeable, but not central. I don't know what Thane or Samara are doing in ME3 (Or if they appear).
Only 2 fleets have quick access to Earth, the 1st and the 5th, and the 5th may or may not be decimated (Depending on ME1).
They also don't have the Normandy, which, despite being a frigate, posesses much more firepower than most cruisers.
I'm not saying the Collector Ship would come and instantly win (It's just a cruiser-class), I'm saying that it would be a big battle, and humanity (Outside Shepard's crew and TIM) have zero idea how the Collector's work, meaning they don't know about the Seekers, Husks, Scions, etc, nor do they know about the Collector's tactics.
By "Increase their power exponentially", I meant just that. 2 ships are twice as powerful as 1. 3 are 3 times as more powerful as 1.
Modifié par Kid Buu, 02 janvier 2012 - 10:21 .
And Im saying it wouldnt. If a Normandy can destroy a collector ship so easily then some dreadnaughts and an entire fleet would decimate them. And why are you talking about ground forces? The point is that they wont get to use them because they wont make it to earth. They would have a hard time boarding any ships as well because theya re so Alliance ships. It would make no differencce if there were 2 ships or 1. The collectors would have no chance.
Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 02 janvier 2012 - 10:30 .
Everthing youa re saying makes no sense. The collectore ship was able to sneak up on the Normandy because of the IFF. At the beginning of the game, the ship destroyed the Normandy because the stealth systems were nulified and thats what the Normandy relied on for defence. Even then though, an entire fleet would completely nulify the collector ships. Why would a dreadnaught need to land on a planet? A few oculi and Collector ships would still get torn apart easily. Earth clearly has more than the average Joe`s cruisers defending it. And yes, the fight against the collector ship was easy, even with no thanix cannon or armor upgrade. You are honestly suggestion that a few collecctor ships and oculi could defeat Earth`s defences long enough to abduct millions of humans on earth? No. On top of this, the collector ship needs to land (or whatever it did on Horizon) while they abduct everyone. What is the collector ship going to do to NOT get blown up while this is happening? Considering some AA turrets were able to drive it off.AgitatedLemon wrote...
And Im saying it wouldnt. If a Normandy can destroy a collector ship so easily then some dreadnaughts and an entire fleet would decimate them. And why are you talking about ground forces? The point is that they wont get to use them because they wont make it to earth. They would have a hard time boarding any ships as well because theya re so Alliance ships. It would make no differencce if there were 2 ships or 1. The collectors would have no chance.
It wasn't necessarily "So easily", considering 2 Oculus' physically entered into the cargo, and the Collector's personally infiltrating the ship and kidnapping the crew. If it weren't for Shepard intervening when he did, the Oculus' alone would have probably killed everyone on board, seeing as how they can burn through the Normandy's armor as well.
Remember the prologue cutscene. The Collector ship basically saws the Normandy in half before it blows. The only reason the Normandy stands a realistic chance is because of the Cerberus upgrades, which the Alliance doesn't endorse, and the Reaper/Quarian/Asari upgrades, which the Alliance ships will almost definitely not have. They also don't have Joker, who is arguably one of the best pilots in SciFi. And, I'll say again, the Normandy is more powerful than most cruiser type vessels, it was designed that way. Average Joe's cruiser won't stand a chance against a Collector Ship. It also wasn't just the Thanix cannon that hit the Collector ship. It was also equipped with Javelin missiles and GARDIAN turrets, which by itself is more defence than Average Joe's cruiser.
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edit 2: The entire human navy has 8 dreadnoughts, and dreadnoughts can't land on-world due to their size. If it wasn't already there, it won't get there.
Modifié par Kid Buu, 02 janvier 2012 - 10:41 .
Kid Buu wrote...
Everthing youa re saying makes no sense. The collectore ship was able to sneak up on the Normandy because of the IFF. At the beginning of the game, the the ship destroyed the Normandy because the stealth systems were nulified and thats what the Normandy relied on for defence. Even then though, an entire fleet would completely nulify the collector ships. Why would a dreadnaught need to land on a planet? A few oculi and Collector ships would sill get torn apart easily. Earth clearly has more than the average Joe`s cruiser defending it. And yes, the fight against the collector ship was easy, even with no thanix cannon or armor upgrade.AgitatedLemon wrote...
And Im saying it wouldnt. If a Normandy can destroy a collector ship so easily then some dreadnaughts and an entire fleet would decimate them. And why are you talking about ground forces? The point is that they wont get to use them because they wont make it to earth. They would have a hard time boarding any ships as well because theya re so Alliance ships. It would make no differencce if there were 2 ships or 1. The collectors would have no chance.
It wasn't necessarily "So easily", considering 2 Oculus' physically entered into the cargo, and the Collector's personally infiltrating the ship and kidnapping the crew. If it weren't for Shepard intervening when he did, the Oculus' alone would have probably killed everyone on board, seeing as how they can burn through the Normandy's armor as well.
Remember the prologue cutscene. The Collector ship basically saws the Normandy in half before it blows. The only reason the Normandy stands a realistic chance is because of the Cerberus upgrades, which the Alliance doesn't endorse, and the Reaper/Quarian/Asari upgrades, which the Alliance ships will almost definitely not have. They also don't have Joker, who is arguably one of the best pilots in SciFi. And, I'll say again, the Normandy is more powerful than most cruiser type vessels, it was designed that way. Average Joe's cruiser won't stand a chance against a Collector Ship. It also wasn't just the Thanix cannon that hit the Collector ship. It was also equipped with Javelin missiles and GARDIAN turrets, which by itself is more defence than Average Joe's cruiser.
edit: removed huge pyramid of replies.
edit 2: The entire human navy has 8 dreadnoughts, and dreadnoughts can't land on-world due to their size. If it wasn't already there, it won't get there.
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