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[Kid Buu]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Lack of response.

Fairly typical.

/more facepalm

[FlyinElk212]

The Suicide Mission Variablility is kind of what defines Mass Effect 2 though. They shouldn't have to take away possibly the coolest feature of that game just to help ease development of the final installment...

Instead, they should've found a clever way to properly readdress as much of the ME2 squad as they could. They could've done something like this for Mass Effect 3's crew:

Liara
VS
Garrus
Tali
ME2 Love Interest (will be Miranda if any mentioned above was romanced)
Legion
James Vega
DLC Character?

If they could do voiceover work for 12 squadmates in Mass Effect 2, what's to say they couldn't do it again for Mass Effect 3? I feel as though resources wouldn't be the problem, and if it was simply a lack of creativity, then that makes me a very sad fanboy. Bioware writers really dropped the ball on this part.

[MordinKrios]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

The Suicide Mission Variablility is kind of what defines Mass Effect 2 though. They shouldn't have to take away possibly the coolest feature of that game just to help ease development of the final installment...

Instead, they should've found a clever way to properly readdress as much of the ME2 squad as they could. They could've done something like this for Mass Effect 3's crew:

Liara
VS
Garrus
Tali
ME2 Love Interest (will be Miranda if any mentioned above was romanced)
Legion
James Vega
DLC Character?

If they could do voiceover work for 12 squadmates in Mass Effect 2, what's to say they couldn't do it again for Mass Effect 3? I feel as though resources wouldn't be the problem, and if it was simply a lack of creativity, then that makes me a very sad fanboy. Bioware writers really dropped the ball on this part.

 

Liking the idea and the thoughts behind it, it seems a "smaller and more intimate squad" as they put it leaves more room for people to be angry, surely?
Maybe instead of the ME2 love interest and Garrus and Tali there is an option to "recruit" three of your ME2 squadmates who survived. This means Team Dextro can still be chosen if the player wished but if say, you were a big Grunt, Jack, Mordin etc...fan you wouldn't feel left out and Mass Effect 3 would be a personal experience. 

It would require more resources on BW part, but they have the resources to do that surely? Forget MP....
AM i wrong?

[AgitatedLemon]

MordinKrios wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...

The Suicide Mission Variablility is kind of what defines Mass Effect 2 though. They shouldn't have to take away possibly the coolest feature of that game just to help ease development of the final installment...

Instead, they should've found a clever way to properly readdress as much of the ME2 squad as they could. They could've done something like this for Mass Effect 3's crew:

Liara
VS
Garrus
Tali
ME2 Love Interest (will be Miranda if any mentioned above was romanced)
Legion
James Vega
DLC Character?

If they could do voiceover work for 12 squadmates in Mass Effect 2, what's to say they couldn't do it again for Mass Effect 3? I feel as though resources wouldn't be the problem, and if it was simply a lack of creativity, then that makes me a very sad fanboy. Bioware writers really dropped the ball on this part.

 

Liking the idea and the thoughts behind it, it seems a "smaller and more intimate squad" as they put it leaves more room for people to be angry, surely?
Maybe instead of the ME2 love interest and Garrus and Tali there is an option to "recruit" three of your ME2 squadmates who survived. This means Team Dextro can still be chosen if the player wished but if say, you were a big Grunt, Jack, Mordin etc...fan you wouldn't feel left out and Mass Effect 3 would be a personal experience. 

It would require more resources on BW part, but they have the resources to do that surely? Forget MP....
AM i wrong?

No, you aren't wrong at all. And this is a surprisingly common notion, and one I've referenced a number of times myself.

[MordinKrios]

Thank you Lemon

Yeah, it seems that we are in the minority though. BW have taken the Team Dextro approach. But oh well, it is their game and us moaning isn't going to get us far.

oh well.

[BiggumsKlown]

MordinKrios wrote...

Liking the idea and the thoughts behind it, it seems a "smaller and more intimate squad" as they put it leaves more room for people to be angry, surely?
Maybe instead of the ME2 love interest and Garrus and Tali there is an option to "recruit" three of your ME2 squadmates who survived. This means Team Dextro can still be chosen if the player wished but if say, you were a big Grunt, Jack, Mordin etc...fan you wouldn't feel left out and Mass Effect 3 would be a personal experience. 

It would require more resources on BW part, but they have the resources to do that surely? Forget MP....
AM i wrong?

Actually yes you are, there are a lot of people upset about the MP addition, But a lot of people also want to see it in Mass Effect to see how it will fair against other MP games, I personally want MP, but i know i'll prefer SP over it, But to state my words again. Yes, Yes you are wrong.

[MordinKrios]

BiggumsKlown wrote...

MordinKrios wrote...

Liking the idea and the thoughts behind it, it seems a "smaller and more intimate squad" as they put it leaves more room for people to be angry, surely?
Maybe instead of the ME2 love interest and Garrus and Tali there is an option to "recruit" three of your ME2 squadmates who survived. This means Team Dextro can still be chosen if the player wished but if say, you were a big Grunt, Jack, Mordin etc...fan you wouldn't feel left out and Mass Effect 3 would be a personal experience. 

It would require more resources on BW part, but they have the resources to do that surely? Forget MP....
AM i wrong?

Actually yes you are, there are a lot of people upset about the MP addition, But a lot of people also want to see it in Mass Effect to see how it will fair against other MP games, I personally want MP, but i know i'll prefer SP over it, But to state my words again. Yes, Yes you are wrong.

 

I wasn't really talking about MP (I am quite exited about) but the time they were making it, they could have done my idea.

But yeah, I agree with you...kinda. 

Modifié par MordinKrios, 03 janvier 2012 - 01:58 .

[S.A.K]

The more I see, more it looks like ME2s main plot was pointless. Still its one of the best games I ever played(maybe the best). I wish at least the new characters matter.
Arrival made it look even more pointless. Considering we can do Arrival before we do the suicide mission, which means reapers are that close to the alpha relay. That means reapers could have started the attack regardless of what the collecters were planning. So what were they making that human reaper? If that is the reaper equal of reproduction, they may have waited until the attach has started and directly abduct humans from earth without going after those small colones and drawing unnecessary attention.

[Chewin]

^It's only for gameplay purposes. Devs have already said that Arrival happens 6 months after ME2.

[S.A.K]

Chewin3 wrote...

^It's only for gameplay purposes. Devs have already said that Arrival happens 6 months after ME2.

Oh! Thanks for clearing that out.

[Kid Buu]

S.A.K wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

^It's only for gameplay purposes. Devs have already said that Arrival happens 6 months after ME2.

Oh! Thanks for clearing that out.

Wait.. what if you do it BEFORE you beat the game?

[Genshie]

If there is any pandering being thrown around character wise it would have to be towards Garrus in ME2. Why you may ask for the simple fact that you have to recruit him in order to move the story. You don't have to recruit Tali at all to do the SM, granted one of your other squadies will die due to not having her ship upgrade but the the fact is you still don't have to recruit her in ME2. The second thing is that it would be of very POOR TASTE if there were replacements for Garrus or Tali in ME3 since it would defeat the purpose of the SM of having any consequences for stupidity. (It is really hard to get to someone to die without doing it on purpose for SM) Lastly Tali can survive the SM without being loyal as long as you don't have her do anything and the majority of the party is still loyal. (I think I had one playthrough were two or three people weren't loyal and still had everyone survive)

The funny thing of bringing up how hard it is to kill someone as an example: I really wanted Jacob to die in one of my playthroughs so (this is before I knew that he could do it) I thought that he could die if he lead one of the distraction teams in the SM. And low and behold the bastard is actually an alternate if you don't choose Miranda or Garrus to do it. Every role (except for the biotic barrier) has at least three characters that can fill the roles. (Miranda, Garrus, or Jacob for distraction teams. Kasumi, Tali, or Legion for vents. Sort of three but you only get two characters at the time Jack and or Samara/Morinth for biotic bubble)

Modifié par Genshie, 03 janvier 2012 - 02:25 .

[Youknow]

Don't know, but Tali and Garrus's inclusion as party members in ME3 are really starting to remind me of people I know in real life. "They were cool people at first, but now they try to hang out with me so much that they are starting to get on my nerves."

And it really does suck that you can't get a party member of your choice from ME2. Much less your romance from ME2. I mean, I really don't see how Thane, Jacob, Miranda, and Jack can even compete when they are the only romances that don't get permanent spots. I mean, if I can see my ME2 romance enough to have a fleshed out romance arc with them, WHY CAN'T THEY JOIN ME!?

[Shepard John N7-041154]

MordinKrios wrote...

Thank you Lemon

Yeah, it seems that we are in the minority though. BW have taken the Team Dextro approach. But oh well, it is their game and us moaning isn't going to get us far.

oh well.

You two are not the minority. Perhaps on the social networking site. If the last the recuits of the previous installment were optional I don't see why the last three slots on the companion roster couldn't be compromised from a pool of characters selectable at the player's discretion. It would certainly add to replay-ability and not an implementation I'd consider a headache for the designers. 

[CptData]

MordinKrios wrote...

Liking the idea and the thoughts behind it, it seems a "smaller and more intimate squad" as they put it leaves more room for people to be angry, surely?
Maybe instead of the ME2 love interest and Garrus and Tali there is an option to "recruit" three of your ME2 squadmates who survived. This means Team Dextro can still be chosen if the player wished but if say, you were a big Grunt, Jack, Mordin etc...fan you wouldn't feel left out and Mass Effect 3 would be a personal experience. 

It would require more resources on BW part, but they have the resources to do that surely? Forget MP....
AM i wrong?

Actually, I had a similar idea once. It was pretty simple: your roster consists of eight slots. Four of them are occupied by:

- Liara
- Ashley / Kaidan
- Vega
- Spoiler-Squadmate

The other four are reserved for "semi-permanent" squadmates. You can recruit any other guys from the ME2 roster - of course, only if they survived. But once the roster is full you need to dismiss one to make room for the new one. You can't re-recruit the dismissed squadmate for a while, since they have their own agendas and missions which help you to defeat the Reapers.

That means you have four spots for:

- Miranda
- Jacob
- Tali
- Garrus
- Mordin
- Grunt
- Thane
- Jack
- Samara / Morinth
- Legion
- Zaeed (DLC present)
- Kasumi (DLC present)

PLUS

- Wrex / Wreav ??? (if possible)
- Spoiler lesbian
- Spoiler gay dude
- Spoiler DLC character

Any of those characters should trigger one or two special missions connected to them. Also those squadmates can be sacrificed on certain missions if needed (maybe to save a colony or defeat a small fleet of Reapers) - but your "permanent" squadmates can get killed too.

Sure, that basically means BW has to put resources into that feature so you can have ANY of those squadmates with you. But at least you could create your own "perfect" team out of a bigger selection. I don't see why that's not possible. And actually this should have been in the game from the beginning - half of your squad are "defined", the other half is "free to pick" from multiple options.

[Ticktank]

MordinKrios and CptData. Either you've subconsciously stole my idea which you read before, or we think alike

But my suggestion varies a little from yours. I still think 6 should be the max squad size, with 4 taken up by the VS, Liara, Bisexual Soldier and battlestar galactica. The remaining 2 can be draw from the following, based on storyline:

- Legion or Tali (i.e. pick one only)
- Miranda or Jacob
- Grunt or Mordin
- Thane or Kasumi
- Samara~Morinth (lol)
- Garrus
- Jack
- Zaeed (a stretch really; maybe he shouldn't even be an option)

Each of them are tied to a specific mission which you must complete anyway e.g. Tuchanka for Mordin/Grunt. At the end of the mission, you can decide to recruit one of them into the team, if the conditions are met e.g. they didn't die, you didn't ****** them off.

I'd go further and say that if you intend to continue your romance with your ME2 LI, he/she must be recruited into your squad.

These ideas are too late of course, but doesn't hurt to dream. This is like gameplay fanfic/fanart.

[Edit] Holy sheet I forgot about Jack.

Modifié par Ticktank, 03 janvier 2012 - 04:17 .

[Berg]

^ Nice ideas, I wish they had been adopted. But as BW said they wanted the squad small to make it more intimate.

Despite the quote in the OP, the SM is clearly not the main obstacle. As others pointed out Tali and Garrus were both on the SM and they made it (I am not having a go at any characters, just pointing it out).

So it was just that they did not want to chose one or two of the ME2-exclusive crew and leave the others. Probably if one ME2-exclusive character made it back they would be hated by fans of all the others.

Still sad, I really wish Miranda had a major role. I like Ashley and will give the newbies a chance, but even though I cannot wait until March and am excited about ME3, I am not super-psyched about the squadmates.

Modifié par oh brother, 03 janvier 2012 - 03:53 .

[CptData]

@oh brother

I can hear you. My fave roster would consist of (8 max):

- Ashley
- Miranda
- Mordin
- Wrex
- Garrus
- Tali
- "Battlestar Galactica"
- Liara

^^

[MordinKrios]

I agree with you CptData, but your roster does vary from mine ;-) Mine would be.

Kaiden
Wrex
Mordin
Legion
Garrus
Thane

As the front 6, put if it were 8 i would put Miranda and possibly Jack in there.

@TicTank.

Haha yes, I have the powers of subconscious thought. Glad i picked it for A-Level really.

I feel your idea is the best I have heard, as it doesn't involve breaking the missions. A truly wonderful idea which I wish (sigh) had been taken on board.

[Kid Buu]

I just need Tali. Garrus and few others would be nice.

[Berg]

Having Miranda, and then Ashley, would have been enough to grab my attention. Imagine if Miranda and Ashley were on the same ship - some great opportunities for dramatic tension.

Other than that Mordin would have been nice. And I quite like Garrus.

[Ticktank]

MordinKrios wrote...

I agree with you CptData, but your roster does vary from mine ;-) Mine would be.

Kaiden
Wrex
Mordin
Legion
Garrus
Thane

As the front 6, put if it were 8 i would put Miranda and possibly Jack in there.

@TicTank.

Haha yes, I have the powers of subconscious thought. Glad i picked it for A-Level really.

I feel your idea is the best I have heard, as it doesn't involve breaking the missions. A truly wonderful idea which I wish (sigh) had been taken on board.

Sigh yes...it would have been great. Of course, the writers would need a hell lot more time to write the different dialogue combinations, but no one was rushing them, and its not like they're short on resources because some of it had to be transferred to develop some gimmick like dating sim mode or multiplayer....nevermind.

It would have made the game infinitely more replayable than ME2:

- In the mood for balloons? Recruit Miranda and Samara. Samara dialogue with Liara would be interesting.
- Want to turn the Normandy into a prison ship? Zaeed and Jack.
- Uncomfortable partnership: Jacob and Kasumi
- Biyatch house: Miranda and Jack.

Oh the possibilities...

[MordinKrios]

It would have made every playthrough of ME3 different and varied. Oh if i were in charge of Me3...

Plus, it doesn't annoy Talimancers and Garrus fans as they can still put them in, if they want to be bored senseless for 20+ hours.

[jamesp81]

who would know wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

They should've put plot armors on a couple of characters, simple.

Yep. Or just retconned their deaths. I'd gladly have paid that price to immersion if it meant bringing back some of ME2's stars for fuller treatments in ME3. I'm definitely not the proponent of immersion that some around here have claimed so vehemently to be.

Besides, wasn't a party member's death retconned from DA:O to DA2?

Anders was retconned, Leliana was railroaded.